Very large % of prostitutes love their job

[PattayaMale]

I read today in the Bangkok Post an interesting survey. I don't know that job satisfaction extrapolates to Thailand, but he article said that over 64% of prostitutes in the US have a college degree. It goes on to say that about 90% really enjoy their work and make salaries around $60,000 a year (tax free?)

[Guest]

I read today in the Bangkok Post an interesting survey. I don't know that job satisfaction extrapolates to Thailand, but he article said that over 64% of prostitutes in the US have a college degree. It goes on to say that about 90% really enjoy their work and make salaries around $60,000 a year (tax free?)

 

I would agree with that number. All the ones I have been with told me they loved the time they spent with me and could not think of anything better to do with their Friday nights! For once, I agree with a survey based on my own calculations.

[Guest beachlover]

Only $60k a year? Kind of defeats one of the points of being a prostitute (to make more money than conventionally possible) right?

 

Maybe, once you get over the initial issue of sleeping with people you might not find attractive, it gets easy and becomes "easy cash".

[Guest]

Only $60k a year? Kind of defeats one of the points of being a prostitute (to make more money than conventionally possible) right?

 

Maybe, once you get over the initial issue of sleeping with people you might not find attractive, it gets easy and becomes "easy cash".

 

For many guys I know, they get 1200 US for an overnight. If they do one a week, they live with enough money to have a good life and they work one night a week. IMHO that is not too bad.

 

I know of escorts in the female business in NYC that make 1200 and up per hour. Of course they split this with their company. One high end lady I knew back in the 90s was making 2500 US per hour and she was booked every night of the week. She did save up her money and retried at 25. I still keep in touch with her and she is now a lawyer. Her money paid for law school and set up up in a debt free life.

 

Guys in the business do not make any where near that amount. I would guess the average in USA is 200-300 per hour.

[Guest GaySacGuy]

I would agree with that number. All the ones I have been with told me they loved the time they spent with me and could not think of anything better to do with their Friday nights! For once, I agree with a survey based on my own calculations.

 

Come on GT...my computer has a pretty deep layer of brown stuff in it...but do you have to add more that fast?????

 

And Friday night??? You mean Mon., Tues., W. T and so on.

[Guest beachlover]

For many guys I know, they get 1200 US for an overnight. If they do one a week, they live with enough money to have a good life and they work one night a week. IMHO that is not too bad.

 

I know of escorts in the female business in NYC that make 1200 and up per hour. Of course they split this with their company. One high end lady I knew back in the 90s was making 2500 US per hour and she was booked every night of the week. She did save up her money and retried at 25. I still keep in touch with her and she is now a lawyer. Her money paid for law school and set up up in a debt free life.

 

Guys in the business do not make any where near that amount. I would guess the average in USA is 200-300 per hour.

 

That's interesting.

 

I think there are two kinds. There is the type who gets into it because they are desperate or greedy for fast cash. It's likely they will squander it, which is such a waste. These people are "reactive".

 

Then there might be the type who thinks through the opportunity and makes the most of it by accumulating the cash and investing it for future prosperity, like your lawyer friend did. These people are "pro-active".

 

It seems, judging by most of the stories of Thai boys here, that many of the gogo boys in Sunee and such are the "reactive" type. The money they make doesn't really last or build them any sort of future future.

[Guest]

It seems, judging by most of the stories of Thai boys here, that many of the gogo boys in Sunee and such are the "reactive" type. The money they make doesn't really last or build them any sort of future future.

 

Well, who are we really kidding? The average price for a short time here is the same price that one pays for movie for 2 in NYC. How far ahead in life can they get? Very few falangs provide the boys with a real chance to get ahead in life and much prefer to keep them on the daily or weekly till as opposed to really giving them a shot at a future. The few boys that I have seen that do have a shot at the big time often fuck it up. I can't really blame them.

 

I was sitting talking to Traveler Jim last night at the Meet and Greet. His boyfriend has been provided a good education, a Master's degree, and the ability to travel the world. While Jim is a super nice guy and I am sure the wonderful things he did for the boy was overly generous financially, he did something much more. He gave the boy the ability to survive without him. He gave him the chance to make a life on his own without Jim's backing. This is one of the few boys I have seen who has a real shot at a great life and it is because Jim saw talent and intelligence and said, go for it. I am not saying the boy was a money boy when they met. I have never asked Jim that question. But, I will assume the boy could not have afforded the life he now has without him. And, when Jim is gone, this boy will not only do fine with his life he will be able to provide for his family. If we all took 1 or 2 boys like that (from bars or just nice gay boys) and did the same thing, I do think the cycle would change.

[Guest beachlover]

Well, that's valid, but I was referring more to the profession, rather than the relatioships money boys have with their farangs.

 

The high availability of money boys in Thailand means the premium they are paid for their 'work' is less of an increment than it is in the US, for example. It might only equate to say, 30,000 baht a month, but this is still more than they would otherwise make selling shirts or working as a waiter for say, 6,000 or 10,000 baht a month.

 

A more astute, pro-active boy might use that leg up to get ahead. Study English. Go to university. Or more. So that say, after 2-3 years of doing this, they are in a position where they can get a conventional job and earn 30k baht a month, instead of the 6,000 or 8,000 baht a month they were resigned to before.

 

Back to the relationships thing... I've seen many stories of farang who tried to give their BF a future and such, as TJ has done, but the boy just didn't have the work ethic, aspirations or self-discipline to follow through with it.

 

So as much as finding the right farang is important, I think a lot of it is down to the boy and whether he is the sensible, grounded type who will work to get ahead, or think of more immediate gains to be had.

[Guest GaySacGuy]

 

So as much as finding the right farang is important, I think a lot of it is down to the boy and whether he is the sensible, grounded type who will work to get ahead, or think of more immediate gains to be had.

 

 

Working to get ahead, or planning for the future, isn't om most of the bar boys agenda. They are thinking more about where or what they might eat for their next meal. If one gets offed, more than likely there will be several that didn't trying to get a piece of the action with at least a meal. Long term planning isn't much on their minds...and many are trying to send some money home to Mother.

 

Disclaimer: I know there are those that are planning ahead...I apply this to some or most????

[Guest beachlover]

I guess what I'm trying to say is you hear a lot of stories of Thai money boys who are able to earn quite a lot or attract a generous farang, but they squander the opportunity and don't use it to get ahead.

 

That's certainly not to say there aren't those who don't do this.

 

It's just to go back to my original point that some people who choose to be prostitutes will be pro-active, take advantage of the opportunity they have (to earn more than they usually would otherwise in this profession) to get ahead... and other more reactive ones will squander it and be no better off after 2-3 years of doing it than they were when they started.

[Guest GaySacGuy]

I guess what I'm trying to say is you hear a lot of stories of Thai money boys who are able to earn quite a lot or attract a generous farang, but they squander the opportunity and don't use it to get ahead.

 

That's certainly not to say there aren't those who don't do this.

 

It's just to go back to my original point that some people who choose to be prostitutes will be pro-active, take advantage of the opportunity they have (to earn more than they usually would otherwise in this profession) to get ahead... and other more reactive ones will squander it and be no better off after 2-3 years of doing it than they were when they started.

 

I don't think these bar boys decide to be prostitutes...as a matter of fact I would be that most of them don't consider themselves to be prostitutes. They are just looking for the way to make some money, and that happens to be the way.

[Guest beachlover]

I don't think you can say, they didn't "decide" to do this job. They may not have thought it through carefully like someone choosing their university degree, but they still made a decision.

 

Whatever situation they were in, they would have had a number of alternatives, even if it was earning 200 baht a day at a construction site, and decided this was the best option.

 

There are plenty of poor boys who choose to make their living a different way... with a different mix of upsides/downsides.

[Guest YardenUK]

I have friends in London who are escorts - and I have had so many conversations in the past about these issues. I am still no expert, but it is interesting to try and find out why people do these jobs. The main reason many do it in London is because they have nationalities that mean getting a work permit is well nigh impossible.

 

So making a living another way is not really an option. In addition, I would say it isn't easy money at all - but it is often good money. Another conclusion I came to was there are 2 types of men (and I may be wrong!) - those that are very fussy about who they can be intimate with, and those that have the attitude "a cock is a cock"! If you have the latter mentality being an escort/prostitute/rent boy, can work very well. They also strike lucky and meet interesting, genuine clients - this is an added bonus to what is often difficult work.

 

It isn't good to generalise but I guess if I had the choice of being spoiled once in a while (or thrice in a while), and earning good money with additional material benefits (be it free food, an air con room with running water, new clothes, free nights out), or slaving in fields for hours on end for crap money (or living for weeks on end with ZERO income), I can understand why many buy a one way ticket to places like Pattaya. We should remember they don't actually have that many options available to them.

[Guest beachlover]

Well, the guys you mention without the work permits in London, they do have a choice of returning to their home countries, if they're not supposed to be working in the UK.

 

The boys who turn to prostitution in Thailand may not have many options available, but they still have options. I've talked to a couple of gogo boys and invariably, they had multiple options and chose this path. Millions of poor, working class Thais get by without turning to prostitution. Some of them even make a good enough living and become successful enough to make it into the middle class, or at least a very comfortable working class.

 

I'm not saying turning prostitution is a bad thing or the wrong thing. I'm just trying to say, don't look at money boys and think they are doing this because they were forced into it or had no other choice. They did, and they decided (whether wisely, or unwisely) this was the best path to take.

[Guest GaySacGuy]

Well, the guys you mention without the work permits in London, they do have a choice of returning to their home countries, if they're not supposed to be working in the UK.

 

The boys who turn to prostitution in Thailand may not have many options available, but they still have options. I've talked to a couple of gogo boys and invariably, they had multiple options and chose this path. Millions of poor, working class Thais get by without turning to prostitution. Some of them even make a good enough living and become successful enough to make it into the middle class, or at least a very comfortable working class.

 

I'm not saying turning prostitution is a bad thing or the wrong thing. I'm just trying to say, don't look at money boys and think they are doing this because they were forced into it or had no other choice. They did, and they decided (whether wisely, or unwisely) this was the best path to take.

 

I would maintain that it was one of the only paths that many of the Thai boys have. That is if they are going to send Mother some money once in a while to help the family. I know a man in Bangkok who works heavy construction, like carry brick around all day..and he receives 200 baht per day for a 10 hour day, six day a week. Now let's see, 60 hours for 1200 baht, or a couple of hours in bed for 1200 baht....let me pick!!

[Guest beachlover]

They could choose not to send money or not send so much money back to their family. If it's not possible it's not possible (that is, without resorting to unconventional means).

 

Like I said, a lot of them choose to make 6k baht a month selling things or working as a waiter instead of sacrificing some of the things you do to become a gogo boy. It's a choice.

[Guest GaySacGuy]

They could choose not to send money or not send so much money back to their family. If it's not possible it's not possible (that is, without resorting to unconventional means).

 

Like I said, a lot of them choose to make 6k baht a month selling things or working as a waiter instead of sacrificing some of the things you do to become a gogo boy. It's a choice.

 

It is a choice...but the choice of working a bar (they never tell their family what kind of bar) and sending some money home, vs losing face with family...especially Mother...not much of a choice for these poor farm boys.

[Guest fountainhall]

They could choose not to send money or not send so much money back to their family. If it's not possible it's not possible

I don't think you have a very good understanding of Thai family loyalties and obligations.

 

I don't think you can say, they didn't "decide" to do this job. They may not have thought it through carefully like someone choosing their university degree, but they still made a decision.

I refer you to the thread

[Guest beachlover]

It is a choice...but the choice of working a bar (they never tell their family what kind of bar) and sending some money home, vs losing face with family...especially Mother...not much of a choice for these poor farm boys.

 

What do the boys who DON'T work as gogo boys and instead, earn 6k baht a month do then?

 

Yes, losing face and not being the 'big breadwinner' you are supposed to be as the "man of the house" is a downside to not going into prostitution for some.

 

All I'm saying is they have a choice. And not everyone chooses to go into prostitution. Some of them do it because their situation is stark... and the alternatives to prostitution (though existing) are not so attractive. Some of them do it because the appeal of increasing their income from 6k to 30k suddenly is too great.

[Guest fountainhall]

Some of them do it because their situation is stark... and the alternatives to prostitution (though existing) are not so attractive. Some of them do it because the appeal of increasing their income from 6k to 30k suddenly is too great.

Good. Now we know.

[Guest beachlover]

I don't think you have a very good understanding of Thai family loyalties and obligations.

 

I'm Asian and come from an originally very poor Asian family, so I probably have a better understanding than most (perhaps not all) farang. I'm well aware of the strong loyalty and obligations to their parents Thais are brought up with. I was brought up with very similar, though perhaps not as strong, values. Responsibility to my own parents play a significant role in my decisions... There's a lot of things I would really like to do, but don't because I need to support and assist them in various ways.

 

I refer you to the thread

[Guest fountainhall]

The point is, they have a choice. No one's holding a gun to their head. It's not like they're child soldiers in Africa.

As I said, that's nice to know.

[Guest beachlover]

Ah sorry... I must've hit the submit button halfway through typing. Read the rest of the post above now.

[Guest fountainhall]

Ah sorry... I must've hit the submit button halfway through typing. Read the rest of the post above now.

And I have amended your comment in my post. But the reply is the same.

[Guest YardenUK]

back to the orignal post - even though this won't be the last word - the fact is the majority of escorts/prostitutes seem to love their job (and/or the benefits that it brings) - so perhaps their enthusiasm when they go back home is another motivating factor in why so many continue to do it. Simple economics (leading to a certain job satisfaction), is usually always a good motivator.