t0oL1 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 https://www.denverpost.com/2024/07/13/the-secret-service-is-investigating-how-a-gunman-who-shot-and-injured-trump-was-able-to-get-so-close/ The U.S. Secret Service is investigating how a gunman armed with an AR-style rifle was able to get close enough to shoot and injure former President Donald Trump at a rally Saturday in Pennsylvania, a monumental failure of one the agency’s core duties. The gunman, who was killed by Secret Service personnel, fired multiple shots at the stage from an “elevated position outside of the rally venue,” the agency said. An Associated Press analysis of more than a dozen videos and photos taken at the Trump rally, as well as satellite imagery of the site, shows the shooter was able to get astonishingly close to the stage where the former president was speaking. A video posted to social media and geolocated by the AP shows the body of a man wearing gray camouflage lying motionless on the roof of a manufacturing plant just north of the Butler Farm Show grounds, where Trump’s rally was held. The roof was less than 150 meters (yards) from where Trump was speaking, a distance from which a decent marksman could reasonably hit a human-sized target. For reference, 150 meters is a distance at which U.S. Army recruits must hit a scaled human-sized silhouette to qualify with the M16 assault rifle in basic training. The AR-15, like the shooter at the Trump rally had, is the semi-automatic civilian version of the military M16. The Secret Service didn’t have anybody at a late-night news conference where FBI and Pennsylvania State Police officials briefed reporters on the shooting investigation. FBI Special Agent in Charge Kevin Rojek said it was “surprising” that the gunman was able to fire at the stage before he was killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moses Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 discussion is going here vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Glad to hear Americans love with guns continues. I happen to be in USA on that Saturday , watched a lot of their TV and all that hypocrisy of those who cried about no place of violence in democratic society was truly disgusting. Lunacy about misinterpreted Second Amendment continues and no doubt in future we will be entertained with those spectacles. Trump as president did not lift a finger nor even spoke about need to restrict access to the guns so got taste of his own medicine. I feel sorry for that innocent bystander shot on the spot. USA unique way of reducing overpopulation is still in full swing. Mavica, reader, floridarob and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reader Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Nothing will change because pols in both parties are cowards on this issue. vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 7 hours ago, reader said: Nothing will change because pols in both parties are cowards on this issue. it would bee nice to the USA and the world if both Trump and Binden used opportunity , turned cowards now and announced that they decided not to take any risks in current atmosphere and are withdrawing their noble candidacies. floridarob, t0oL1 and reader 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 7 hours ago, reader said: Nothing will change because pols in both parties are cowards on this issue. and there something in the water that creates such unique love for guns there. One of my classmates , hippie type of 'make love not war " kind, after moving to USA, Buffalo NY of all places , three years later when I visited him turned out to be proud owner of two guns. Transformation shocked me more than actual sign of those pistols. And of course old NRA argument of people are shooting , not guns and that knife is also deadly weapon was presented. Latbear4blk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiophilus Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 20 minutes ago, vinapu said: "people are shooting , not guns" quoting someone else's tired old trope of flawed logic. The reality is like the "fire triangle" we are taught in fire safety courses: to start a fire you need fuel, oxidizer and heat. Remove any one and the result is no fire. With firearms there's also a triangle: the weapon, the person firing it, and the person getting shot. Same logic applies, but ease of removal is different. vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 12 minutes ago, thaiophilus said: the person firing it, and the person getting shot. not that rarely , both are one and the same person with probability of shooting at target close to 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 16 minutes ago, thaiophilus said: quoting someone else's tired old trope of flawed logic. there's no logic in almost universal gun ownership. If it was , other countries would follow the same. It's just folklore, bloody remnants of lawless and long gone past. Hopefully eventually it will fade away the same like quadrigas gave way to Fiat 600 in Rome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayinpattaya Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Watching Americans online celebrating the near murder of a husband and father, tells me everything I need to know about modern day Americans. Utterly vile. unicorn, t0oL1, floridarob and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinapu Posted July 15 Popular Post Share Posted July 15 4 hours ago, gayinpattaya said: Watching Americans online celebrating the near murder of a husband and father, tells me everything I need to know about modern day Americans. Utterly vile. perhaps you should change website you are watching. Are you also trying to say to if somebody is not a husband or father, is more suitable to be shot at ? And definitely there are better role models for fathers and husbands than survivor. reader, floridarob, unicorn and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members unicorn Posted July 15 Members Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, vinapu said: ... And definitely there are better role models for fathers and husbands than survivor. vinapu and Mavica 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayinpattaya Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 On 7/16/2024 at 4:23 AM, vinapu said: perhaps you should change website you are watching. Are you also trying to say to if somebody is not a husband or father, is more suitable to be shot at ? And definitely there are better role models for fathers and husbands than survivor. Perhaps I should. It seems this website is controlled and frequented by American far left extremists who condone murder. And here I was thinking this website was about Thailand? How foolish of me. Either way, I hope Trump wins the election. At this point I think it's done. I can watch all these woke idiot tears and laugh. I can't wait! EmmetK, Lucky and unicorn 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridarob Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, gayinpattaya said: . At this point I think it's done. How did those elections go in your fatherland? Mavica, Lucky, KYTOP and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted July 17 Members Share Posted July 17 A husband and a father! floridarob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 3 hours ago, gayinpattaya said: Either way, I hope Trump wins the election. At this point I think it's done. this is what Marine LePen thought in recent French elections as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayinpattaya Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 5 hours ago, floridarob said: How did those elections go in your fatherland? Exactly as predicted. An unelected, lying foreigner was voted out. Two party system. I'm missing your point maybe? Mavica 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridarob Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 minute ago, gayinpattaya said: I'm missing your point maybe? You usually do....don't be so sour. unicorn and Mavica 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayinpattaya Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 10 minutes ago, floridarob said: You usually do....don't be so sour. Sour? I'm happy as fuck lol. Mavica 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavica Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 7 hours ago, gayinpattaya said: And here I was thinking this website was about Thailand? How foolish of me. Clearly, you do not understand the focus of the forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavica Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 15 minutes ago, gayinpattaya said: Sour? I'm happy as fuck lol. Your contributions to the forums suggest otherwise. vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavica Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me, a queer And there was no one left To speak out for me, and Donald Trump smiled. splinter1949, floridarob, vinapu and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridarob Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 10 hours ago, gayinpattaya said: Sour? I'm happy as fuck lol. Ignorance is bliss... Mavica and t0oL1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post t0oL1 Posted July 18 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 18 Keithambrose, reader, unicorn and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 very accurate. I happened to be in USA on that Saturday and after watching comments on TV hypocrisy was first which came to my mind. Ruthrieston, omega, reader and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
