Another Sunee Bar Raided: Underage Boys Discovered

[KhorTose]

Bigger picture?...These are children.Anybody who exploits young boys or girls should be you my gun, but I think we first need to give them a fair trail. If they are convicted, then you can borrow my gun.named and shamed...and taken out and shot.Leave the children alone...no excuses.

 

 

If you give them a fair trail, and they are convicted, then you may borrow my gun and have at them. Anything less makes you hardly better then them. The only thing worse then child molestation is the false accusation of child molestation and vigilante justice before all the facts are in.

[Guest buckeroo2]

I poked my head in 30-45 minutes before this happened. It was packed when I left. 40? I doubt it but possible. 20-30 highly possible. More than 15, defiantly.

More than 15 defiant customers? - I will be sure to steer clear of this place :-)

[Guest frequentflier57]

If you give them a fair trail, and they are convicted, then you may borrow my gun and have at them. Anything less makes you hardly better then them. The only thing worse then child molestation is the false accusation of child molestation and vigilante justice before all the facts are in.

Amazing....more excuses..some people never fail to surprise....underage is wrong..get a life..

[Guest fountainhall]

If you give them a fair trail, and they are convicted, then you may borrow my gun and have at them. Anything less makes you hardly better then them. The only thing worse then child molestation is the false accusation of child molestation and vigilante justice before all the facts are in.

Amazing....more excuses..some people never fail to surprise....underage is wrong..get a life

And what, pray is your beef? Khortose has made a very valid point. If they're guilty, throw the book and everything else at them. Those who molest children fully deserve their punishment - in full. But equally, accusing someone of child molestation with no evidence - or with false evidence - is truly hideous. It tarnishes an innocent person's life and reputation for years. This is OK with you, is it? Or did I miss something?

[Guest frequentflier57]

And what, pray is your beef? Khortose has made a very valid point. If they're guilty, throw the book and everything else at them. Those who molest children fully deserve their punishment - in full. But equally, accusing someone of child molestation with no evidence - or with false evidence - is truly hideous. It tarnishes an innocent person's life and reputation for years. This is OK with you, is it? Or did I miss something?

Anybody who goes into a bar that has underage boys is supporting what goes on in there.This has been a long time problem for sunnee plaza.As long as pedo men support these places they will thrive...i am not getting into an arguement about this.I would name and shame anybody who supports these places,If you have a problem with this thats your business.I will not comment further.

[kokopelli]

No doubt that there were staff under the age of 18 however it seems doubtful there were few if any under 15 yo. Newspaper reports are not reliable and have a tendency to sensationize.

[Guest]

More than 15 defiant customers? - I will be sure to steer clear of this place :-)

 

LOL GayButton use to correct all my grammar errors. I am dyslexic. Sorry, but I'm sure you will find many more in the months to come. Now, that is a definite probability.

 

Anybody who goes into a bar that has underage boys is supporting what goes on in there.

 

Would you also agree that anyone that goes into any gogo bar in Thailand is supporting prostitution?

 

No doubt that there were staff under the age of 18 however it seems doubtful there were few if any under 15 yo. Newspaper reports are not reliable and have a tendency to sensationize.

 

As I said earlier, I stuck my head in the place and I saw NONE that looked underage.

[Gaybutton]

I would name and shame anybody who supports these places,If you have a problem with this thats your business.I will not comment further.

That's tellin' 'em! Well, if you're going to name and shame people you can start with me because I'm going to go to any bar I please and I couldn't care less who does or doesn't like it. I am vehemently opposed to sex with under-age boys, but I'm not going to enter a bar and start insisting upon seeing ID cards for the boys working there. I don't think it's incumbent upon customers to check ID cards unless they are going to take a boy off. That's when to check.

 

Dealing with the problem of under-age boys is,to my mind, the job of the bar itself, the police, and the Thai government. It's definitely not the job of the customer. If I take a boy off from a bar, he's going to be at least 18 years old, but I'm not going to deprive myself of finding the 18+ year old just because the bar may also have under-age boys working there. I'm not the police. I'm not going to check the ages of all the boys any more than I'm going to walk into a bar and insist on pee testing all the boys. That's not my responsibility and I'm not that great at correctly guessing ages at a glance.

[Guest jomtien]

That's tellin' 'em! Well, if you're going to name and shame people you can start with me because I'm going to go to any bar I please and

 

 

Careful. He'll take you out and shoot you next.

[Guest fountainhall]

Anybody who goes into a bar that has underage boys is supporting what goes on in there.This has been a long time problem for sunnee plaza.As long as pedo men support these places they will thrive...i am not getting into an arguement about this.I would name and shame anybody who supports these places,If you have a problem with this thats your business.I will not comment further.

Your entire post (above) has absolutely nothing to do with my post which prompted your reply. To remind you, my post was agreeing with KhorTose's point in this post -

 

If you give them a fair trail, and they are convicted, then you may borrow my gun and have at them. Anything less makes you hardly better then them. The only thing worse then child molestation is the false accusation of child molestation and vigilante justice before all the facts are in.

Your response to this was something of a non-sequitur -

 

Amazing....more excuses..some people never fail to surprise....underage is wrong..get a life..

So, in addition to being a bit more careful about your replies, perhaps you can explain to us what you found objectionable to KhorTose's remarks above, especially the last sentence. Do you object to it? Or are you perfectly happy with people who make false allegations about child molestation because you assume they have to be guilty?

[Guest]

Right everyone, please remember to carefully read the post you are replying to before making any hysterical over critical replies.

[Gaybutton]

LOL GayButton use to correct all my grammar errors.

Do you mean errors such as writing 'use' when it should be 'used' or writing 'loose' when it should be 'lose'? Sorry, now that I no longer hold moderator status here I can't get into your posts to keep doing that . . .

[kokopelli]

Anybody who goes into a bar that has underage boys is supporting what goes on in there.This has been a long time problem for sunnee plaza.As long as pedo men support these places they will thrive...i am not getting into an arguement about this.I would name and shame anybody who supports these places,If you have a problem with this thats your business.I will not comment further.

 

We all have our opinions, but Boyztown, Sunee Plaza and the venues in Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand, whether for male or female, are not Sunday School picnics.

Anyone who frequents any sexually oriented bar or club for any reasons is no saint or angel. A hypocrite perhaps!

[KhorTose]

We all have our opinions, but Boyztown, Sunee Plaza and the venues in Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand, whether for male or female, are not Sunday School picnics.

Anyone who frequents any sexually oriented bar or club for any reasons is no saint or angel. A hypocrite perhaps!

 

This implies, at least to me, that you think there is something morally wrong with prostitution. You are correct, we all have our opinions and I do not regard adult prostitution as morally wrong. Yes, it is illegal in Thailand, but actively encouraged by the powers that be in this country and often willingly participated in by the practitioners who make it their trade. I will admit that "I" find go-go bars somewhat exploitative, but that on a emotional and personable level. On a rational level, I realize that many choose this trade as a way out of poverty and there are alternatives in that very few if any have to work in these bars. For this and other reasons I would never JUDGE anyone who liked go-go bars as any less moral then I am. I also consider the activity that goes on in Host bars to be completely normal and healthy. I do not know when the last time you dated, but I have never been able to get anyone younger then me, to go to bed without some kind of quid pro quo. Be it dinner and a movie or a promise of support (Money) and help in their lives. Many of my straight friends have often made the same complaint and not just about dating people younger then they are. Of course I come from Seattle, where being over forty is a death sentence, maybe things are different where you are from.

 

Hypocrite---NO. I have held these views since I was in college, and at least 35 years before I ever slept with a prostitute. I will continue to hold these views and support all and any legislation to make prostitution legal. The only thing I have ever found immoral about prostitution is making it illegal. Because it is not legal, the workers do not pay taxes, they are not regulated, they often get disease and are abused by pimps. In this environment often we find prostitutes start victimizing themselves with drugs. One has only to look at Holland for an example of a moral nations that cares about all of its people--including prostitutes--and runs this worlds oldest profession in a manner that best protects the people who choose this field of work.

I love America, but in some ways we are and continue to be less humane then most of our parent nations.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

I have said before, that I have met many younger guys who I have met and had sex with who wanted nothing more. The concept is not so far fetched.

[Bob]

Anyone who frequents any sexually oriented bar or club for any reasons is no saint or angel. A hypocrite perhaps!

 

The religious right for centuries has fanned the notion that sex between consenting but unmarried adults is simply dirty, bad, and immoral, and your assertion seems to stem from that attitude. Hey, it's only sex and, unless one sees it as immoral or somehow wrong in the first place, it's only a fun activity most people like to do and/or a commodity to sell. And, as KhorThose points out, there's a better way to sell it for the safety of the workers, customers, and society - by regulating it and officially making efforts to stem the associated problems (disease, the underage problem, etc.).

 

As to being a saint or angel, I'm neither - and those concepts are no more or less credible than the concepts discussed in the "ghost" thread recently posted on this board; however, again you imply immorality. Having sex with strangers without a condom is probably immoral (and I'm defining "immorality" here as just being unsafe or stupid) but I don't agree that safe sex between consenting adults has anything to do with either morality or wisdom.

 

I'll grant you that prostitution is technically illegal. But so is jaywalking and I don't see anybody painting moral connotations on that activity.

[Guest]

I completely agree that there's nothing whatsoever that is immoral about prostitution between consenting adults.

Whilst respecting the right of the Thai people to govern their own country, I believe prostitution between adults should be fully legalised, as it effectively is in many western countries.

 

There's an awful lot of hypocrisy around. After all, in moral terms what's the difference between prostitution & some of those repressive societies where women cannot work, therefore almost have to marry themselves off to guarantee an income? The latter is like a form of lifetime prostitution, especially for an arranged marriage.

 

As for gogo bars being exploitative, providing people have chosen to work there, I see no problem.

Actually, the gogo part of it wouldn't be a problem for me. Even now, I would stand on a stage in my beachwear if the carrot was a 400% increase in my daily earnings. The unacceptable part of the equation would be getting intimate with the punters.

[Bob]

Even now, I would stand on a stage in my beachwear if the carrot was a 400% increase in my daily earnings. The unacceptable part of the equation would be getting intimate with the punters.

 

The notion of seeing the falang I know dancing (okay...shuffling from foot to foot) on a gogo bar stage in their underwear is something that is beyond the pale to even imagine. And I can guarantee they would feel the same about seeing me in that position. Darn, that'd be downright immoral, ghastly and obscene.

[kokopelli]

Sorry, I was not condemning those who frequent go-go bars, or any bars or venues, such as massage houses, that offer sexual services. The reason I am here, as most of us, is to partake in such services, even if it is just sitting and watching and lusting. My point was that Sin City is not Disneyland, and those posters who are morally outraged by some of the ancillaries related to "sin" are the hypocrites. No matter where you are in the world, where there is sex tourism and prostitution, there will other illegal activities such as drugs, underage, disease, corruption, greed, gambling, crime and on and on. If this type of environment is not acceptable then best to plop down in the rocking chair and watch the world pass you by.

[Guest]

there will other illegal activities such as drugs, underage, disease, corruption, greed, gambling, crime and on and on.

 

Were you talking about politicians?