Visa differences impede progress towards a Schengen-style south east Asia

[Moses]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

You could give visa free entry to Hell, does it mean that's a good deal??

It depends on who counts. Snobs?

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GNP.PCAP.PP.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true&skipRedirection=true&view=map&year=2022

For most countries in world (3/4) Russia is Heaven.

[Moses]

6 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

EU countries receive significant migration from all over the world while Russia's migration is predominately from former USSR countries. 

Isn't this a racist remark?

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, Moses said:

 

For most countries in world (3/4) Russia is Heaven.

 

That's said reality of our world , the same way like for remote Issan farmer Bangkok is.

 

Next step is to make sure Russia will be heaven to Russians themselves  

[khaolakguy]

3 hours ago, Moses said:

Isn't this a racist remark?

How?

On that note Russia doesn't seem to be receiving many migrants from any African country(even though Russia is "heaven").

 

[KeepItReal]

2 hours ago, khaolakguy said:

How?

On that note Russia doesn't seem to be receiving many migrants from any African country(even though Russia is "heaven").

 

It would be interesting to overlay this with the number if emmigrants from Russia. In the USA I recently read that more than 50,000 Russians (mainly younger men trying to get out of Russia's war) applied for asylum in 2023. Europe (mainly France and Germany) reported similar asylum requests.    

[vinapu]

Russia is great country with great culture and a lot of fresh air but it's heavy hand of state which makes those people wishing to live somewhere else. Putin had best chance to make country catching with prosperous West and fast rising East Asia.

Instead he wasted his opportunities on chasing imperial dreams from bygone era dragging whole country down. President of one of most powerful countries of the world  now is happy if invited for visit some bloodstained operetta countries like North Korea.   

[floridarob]

6 hours ago, Moses said:

It depends on who counts. Snobs?

 

6 hours ago, Moses said:

Isn't this a racist remark?

Irony runs deep behind the Iron Curtain.....

[Keithambrose]

23 hours ago, Moses said:

Isn't this a racist remark?

Why?

[unicorn]

On 6/27/2024 at 2:02 AM, Moses said:

Isn't this a racist remark?

Everybody but you understood that he was commenting that the Soviet Union left a bunch of mostly loser countries, mostly run by despots, whose citizens want to leave. The exceptions, of course, are the countries which embraced free elections and joined the west (i.e. the Baltic nations). The only reason Russia isn't also a completely impoverished, loser country is because what you dig out of the ground. Nobody wants to buy anything Russians actually manufacture. People only buy Russian raw materials (of which, thankfully for them, they have plenty). 

[Keithambrose]

1 hour ago, unicorn said:

Everybody but you understood that he was commenting that the Soviet Union left a bunch of mostly loser countries, mostly run by despots, whose citizens want to leave. The exceptions, of course, are the countries which embraced free elections and joined the west (i.e. the Baltic nations). The only reason Russia isn't also a completely impoverished, loser country is because what you dig out of the ground. Nobody wants to buy anything Russians actually manufacture. People only buy Russian raw materials (of which, thankfully for them, they have plenty). 

They do have a lot to dig, and/or pump, but their pollution issues are very serious

[Moses]

1 hour ago, unicorn said:

Nobody wants to buy anything Russians actually manufacture.

Yes-yes... exactly by this reason West made already 14-th pack of sanction, because "nobody wants to buy" :)))))))

14 packs of sanctions still can't stop World to buy in Russia...

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, Moses said:

Yes-yes... exactly by this reason West made already 14-th pack of sanction, because "nobody wants to buy" :)))))))

14 packs of sanctions still can't stop World to buy in Russia...

wouldn't be nicer to live in a country not subject to sanctions ? and whose citizens can say freely that president stays too long or is unfit for the office? And war can be called 'war' , not 'special military operation?"

[unicorn]

10 hours ago, Moses said:

Yes-yes... exactly by this reason West made already 14-th pack of sanction, because "nobody wants to buy" :)))))))...

I didn't say nobody wants to buy anything that comes out of Russia. I said that Russians don't actually manufacture much of value. What I said was that the vast majority of what Russia sells is simply stuff they dig out of the ground. Russia is blessed with an abundance of natural resources (oil, gas, minerals, gems, timber, etc.), but goods which actually require the skill or intelligence of Russians to build are not among Russia's important exports. Russians have a lot of natural resources (including a large population), but skill and intelligence aren't among the Russians' resources. 

These are Russia's main exports:

#	Export product	Value ($)
1	Crude Petroleum	121,443
2	Refined Petroleum	66,887
3	Unspecified commodities	55,265
4	Coal	15,987
5	Petroleum Gas	9,501
6	Wheat	6,399
7	Semi-Finished Iron	6,090
8	Gold	5,740
9	Platinum	5,121
10	Raw Aluminium	4,640
11	Sawn Wood	4,506
12	Oils	4,458
13	Copper	4,137
14	Diamonds	3,768
15	Chemical Fertilizers (Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium)	3,165
16	Nitrogenous Fertilizers	2,896
17	Frozen Fish	2,497
18	Hot-Rolled Iron	2,462
19	Gas Turbines	2,352
20	Potassic Fertilizers	2,337

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exports_of_Russia

Of these, only ONE, gas turbines, is it something Russians actually manufacture themselves, coming in at a low 19th. For 13 years, I had a boyfriend who used to be Russian (born there). As I recall telling him, there are two words to describe a talented and/or intelligent Russian: formerly Russian. He hasn't stepped foot on Russian soil in almost 2 decades and has no desire to do so again. Our neighbors across the street at the time also used to be Russian, and only visited Russia once in 4 decades--during the World Cup. They don't miss it either. 

[Moses]

5 hours ago, unicorn said:

Of these, only ONE, gas turbines, is it something Russians actually manufacture themselves

You forgot tens of nuclear reactors what Russia build up around the globe, rocket engines what even US buys, titanium parts for Airbus and Boeing what are excluded from sanctions because no aircraft with fly without, enriched uranium that manufactured on Russian machines and equipment- there are no such machines in US - US expect to have that technology to 2027-2028 for to stop to buy in Russia, and many other things what are excluded from sanctions because nobody else may make that.

[unicorn]

35 minutes ago, Moses said:

You forgot tens of nuclear reactors what Russia build up around the globe...

There was nothing for me to forget. I was just quoting hard, factual statistics. Nor did I forget matryoshka dolls. I didn't say there wasn't anything Russians make, obviously. What cannot be denied is that the country survives almost entirely on its ability to sell its raw materials. And it's "You forgot that tens of nuclear reactors THAT Russia has built...". (or WHICH)

[Moses]

6 hours ago, unicorn said:

THAT

6 hours ago, unicorn said:

or WHICH

Thank you for lesson. I'll pay back by small lesson of Russian handwriting. Here is "the bears deprived the chinchillas of their lilies, the chinchillas deprived the bear of their cones":