Trip report 24.06.2010-07.07.2010 Bangkok Pattaya

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Trip report 24.06.2010-07.07.2010 Bangkok Pattaya

 

Here I want to share my experiences during my third holiday in Bangkok and Pattaya and ask for advice. People I met are given alphabet letters. “January” refers to my second holiday in Thailand in January 2010, “August” to my first holiday in August 2009. Reconstructed from memory, photos and my notes on all expenses (I write down every Baht I spend). I can’t check the truth of what the boys told me, so I will report it as told to me. GR Gayromeo, “friend from GR” – never met in real life before, bf boyfriend.

 

Abstract: Bars range from deserted (apart from boys and mamasan) to reasonably well visited. Compared to January and August, this is really low season!

 

On this holiday, I was disappointed several times by Thai friends. I could ignore some flaws in my second holiday, but now I’m not sure if I will ever return to Thailand.

 

However, there are plenty (I met some of them) of Thais that are financially independend, have a good education and job and speak good English and have a genuine interest in meeting Farang for friendship or boyfriend.

 

I found the music level in Gogo bars and host bars in Bangkok and Pattaya too loud in all cases, but it’s quiet compared to Thai-for-Thai discos. Whoever complains about music level in bars, go to Thai-for-Thai disco!

 

Aims: Never sleep alone (I do this in Europe all the time), never eat alone (I do this in Europe all the time), spend days with Thai friends sightseeing, have fun with Thai friends. These aims were reached only on 5 out of 12 full days of my stay. Alltogether, half of my holiday was spent enjoyable, the other half I had to follow backup plans or change my plans seriously as Thai friends let me down.

 

Thu 24.06. Airport, Taxi to Ibis Sathorn, arrive in hotel 20:55. A farang friend A (German, now living in Bkk close to Ibis) is waiting for me, we have a chat in my room. He asks me if he can smoke in my room. I inform him the entire Ibis is non-smoking, he doesn’t care. He wants to smoke in the floor, but I tell him I won’t let him enter my room after smoking as I will get the smell into my room. He smokes outside. When leaving, my farang friend A (now I notice he is slightly drunk) is outside arguing with the manager because the Thai guard had stopped him from entering the hotel with a cigarette. Furthermore, it turns out that he is banned from the premises. Slightly embarrassed, I excuse A’s behaviour. We take taxi to Silom and go to Balcony. The waiter informs me that I can sit there, but not my friend A. He is banned from the premises. We leave and argue about how to continue the evening. I leave A alone to avoid any furter embarrassment and go to have a look at Soi Twilight. Return to Balcony later. There I’m supposed to meet B, a close Thai friend from January, but can’t find him. My Thai SIM-card has expired, so I can’t call him. Go to DJ-station, Thai C approaches me. On leaving DJ-station, A is at the gate (now a bit more drunk than before), arguing with the guards who won’t let him in as he wears flip-flops. I take A with me back to Soi 4 (but ask him not to enter the soi with me, to wait at the entrance). Back to Balcony, where I finally meet B. We (I, A, B and a friend of Be) take taxi back to Ibis. B and I have some fun, he can’t stay overnight as his Farang bf (who is in Thailand for holiday and stays in B’s room which is close to Ibis) is waiting for him. He asks me for 300 Baht (“It’s for X, I’m no money boy” – If I get it correctly, he owes money to X). I’m a bit naïve, so I hand him the money, simply assuming that this request is legitimate. If he asks me for money, he will have a serious reason to do so. I sleep alone.

 

Fri 25.06. Go to MBK, get a new SIM-card. (Full story will be told elsewhere). Walk around, go to Central World to see damage. Back to Sathorn, walk around Lumpini. Go to Telephone. Sitting there alone waiting for friend D from GR, suddenly E, a customer from Balcony approaches me: “Excuse me, are you X from Y now studying Z in A?” “Yes, I am! How do you know?” We chatted on GR, but I didn’t remember him immediately because I was looking at his cute neighbour F. Rain interrupts us, after finishing my drink, I change to Balcony and sit with E (after he told me his name on GR, I remembered what we chatted about) and F (after asking him for his profile on GR, I remembered that I saw his profile but didn’t recognize him). After a while, I recognize D at Telephone, he was only 10 min late and didn’t want to disturb my chat with E and F by approaching me or even sending an SMS. I change back to Telephone and sit with D and his friends. Later, I recognize G (a friend from GR) and say hello. Go to DJ-station, where I meet C again. He really seems to like me, althought there are others that look cuter I leave with him and we go to my hotel. We have fun and he stays overnight.

 

Sat 26.06. We get up in the late morning, have a meal at O Ho, go to Chatuchak market, then to Chakran sauna. I’ve been there in January and it was very promising. Again, only two small towels, too small to wrap them around my hip. Large towels are available for 20 B. Annoying! He’s never been there. He likes it. Back to my hotel. He stays at a friend’s place nearby. We meet again later and take taxi to ICK. I’ve been there in January, for him it’s the first time. There I meet H (a platonic friend from January) who studies in Ramkhamhaeng. We watch show. I like the coyote dancing at ICK and SeeK-dance. We take taxi back to Ibis. The driver is a woman. My friend chats with her and translates that she starts work early in the morning and has a job as taxi driver at night because her first job is poorly paid. The meter shows 109 Baht, I give 200 Baht, my highest tip for taxi ever. C stays with me overnight.

 

Sun 27.06. We eat at O Ho. IA, a friend of C who works in Jomtien joins us. In my room, IA descends upon my clothes and shows us a flick of the wrist to fold a T-Shirt within seconds. It’s very simple and effective, unfortunately I forgot how to do it! We go to Wat Saket, The City Parapet Phrakan Fortress, Loha Prasat and Democracy monument. After two nice days with C (he and his friend seem to be good boys, I payed for all expenses, no money changes hands), I decide to spend this evening alone and go to bars to see if I can find someone cuter. Taxi to Surawong, dinner at Maxi’s, footmassage. Solid Bar (Soi Anuman Ratchadhon near Silom Soi 6 or Soi Tharntawan): 10 boys, smoking inside. The arrangement inside the bar is very unsuitable: there is a corner and most of the boys are standing behing the corner, so I can’t see them directly, only through a mirror on the wall opposite to my seat. Mamasan even asks me if I can see the boys and points to the mirror. There is a stage with enough space for all of the boys and that can be seen from all every seat, but only two boys are on the stage and there is a slow rotation of boys between stage and wall. Then to Screwboys. About 25 boys, one is smoking. Music is too loud. I tip one boy 100 baht and leave. My way of tipping: If there is a boy that I enjoyed watching, but don’t intend to off, I don’t invite him to sit with me (to avoid expenses for buying him a drink or to avoid having to refuse to buy him a drink and to avoid expectations for an off), I just hand (i.e. reach him my hand with the bill, not plucking it into his underwear) him the money before leaving. To Hotmale. Plenty of boys. Seconds after sitting down, I smell cigarette. I find myself surrounded by 3 smokers. Have to relocate. After 10 min at the new place, the same problem. Watching boys and looking for a new place without smokers or somewhere where the fan doesn’t blow the smoke in my direction. They finish smoking before another relocation is necessary. Tip a boy 100 B and leave. Now it’s 1 am and I’m still alone. J, one of the massage boys is reasonably cute, despite having some facial hair. He remembers me from GR, I don’t remember him. As I’m not looking for “massage”, but company during night and the following day, I ask him if he can give me massage at my hotel. No problem. In addition, he has no university or work on Monday and can stay with me the whole day. If he wants to leave work before 2am he has to pay 100 B. We go to my hotel. He takes 3 types of pills before going to bed (and again after getting up next morning). It’s against a barely visible skin blemish. Does he have HIV? He stays with me overnight.

 

Mon 28.06. Typical scenario: I wake up at 11am, he is still asleep. I fall asleep and wake up again at 12. We shower and go back to bed again. Some hugging and cuddling, it’s 2 pm. Time to get up and have a meal together. The facial hair was a bit disturbing. I made several hints about shaving. Finally, he tells me that they have many Asian customers and they like facial hair. We go to internet café. Check GR: Now I remember him, due to his facial hair I had classified him as “rather not”. We go to MBK and watch a movie. Back to Surawong just at 8 pm so he can get back to work. I invite him for dinner, but he has to report back to work first and he asks me to wait at Surawong so nobody sees us enter Soi Twilight together. It was not my intention to avoid the fee for the massage parlor when I had asked him if he can come to my hotel, but it finally turned out like this. I gave him 1700 B. 100 B are for early leave from work, the remaining 1600 B are just enough to go to work five times (he told me he studies and lives in Ramkhamhaeng and takes taxi to work 160 B each way, and he doesn’t get paid if there are no customers. Can someone with more experience confirm this story? A massage boy taking taxi to work?). I call G, with whom I had agreed the day before to go to Ratchada tonight. He works nearby and I ask him to come to see me while I have dinner with J in Soi Twilight. G can’t got with me tonight, he has no money (I told him that I would invite him) and he has to change clothes! It takes 1h to get home and another 1h to get back, so it will be to late and furthermore he didn’t seem interested to go with me (despite extensive chat on GR and talking about this the day before). It’s 10 pm and I’m alone. I call C. He isn’t interested in going to Ratchada as he has no friends there. I call K, a money boy that hangs out at the Malaysia hotel frequently. If I understand correctly, he is at Silom. A bit later, I get an SMS “I’m sleeping”. So he lost his chance for a long-time. C calls me, he can come with me. We go to G-star. It’s too loud. Average experience for me, he likes the ladyboy contest that is going on (I don’t like ladyboys). We want to go to Ratchada 8, but you have to order a table and buy a bottle of whisky (total 2000 Baht) to get in. We take taxi to “Welcome”, a Thai4Thai gay disco that closes at 9 am. He meets a friend there. The disco is cramped and the music level is deafening/painful. Will I get my next day’s otitis from this? We leave around 2 am. On the way back, he tells me that he doesn’t want to come to my hotel and goes to his friend’s room. “When you have boy you don’t call me, when you have no boy you call me”. He was right. The night before I was shopping around Surawong for someone cuter. This night, I suddenly was alone as G changed his plans. There are some boys at the Malaysia hotel. I have a chat with them. L asks me for 20 (twenty!) B. I give him 20 B. I remember him from January. I couldn’t fathom what he does there or what his job is, but I kind of like him and he speaks very good English and you can have a conversation with him like with a Caucasian. M asks me for 50 B for beer. I give him 50 B. I had met him first on the last day of my first holiday August. He speaks German quite good. We spent some time in January. There were several disappointments in January (We went to ICK, he got drunk and left without telling me. I was looking around for him and calling him to no avail. He asked me to lend him 3000 B for his rent. He wanted to pay back some days later. I negotiated down to 500 B. He was thinking aloud if he should buy cigarettes or a calling card to call his sister in Germany from this money. Some days later, I offered him to stay with me overnight, just sleeping as I was tired. I asked if I can get my money back. His cheque-book was at home, so he asked me for 120 B (which I gave him) to get taxi home, get his cheque-book and return to me within 1h. Should I add the 120 B to the 500 B debt? It makes no difference as I won’t get any money back. He did not return that night.) So why did I give him 50 B for beer? I don’t know. I sleep alone.

 

Tue 29.06. Check out, leave for Pattaya, taking bus from Ekkamai. Go to Howard’s guesthouse. At 500 B per night, this is really a bargain! The room is larger, nicer and cheaper than my accommodation in England. I sms N (a friend from January whose pronunciation is horrible, speaking on phone is impossible, only SMS. Furthermore, we had this chat

 

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) to meet me at my hotel. He writes back if we can meet in Jomtien. I agree and seconds after sending SMS I think: I travel quarter around the world and now you don’t want to come from Jomtien to Sunee? Anyway, I wanted to have a look at the Jomtien area and I had plenty of time to do so as he was late, despite living 5 min by foot from Bamboo bar. We have dinner and he asks me for money. I give him 200 B. I go back to Sunee and do some bar hopping. Euroboys: 9 boys, tip one boy 100 B. Krazy Dragon: O is still there (I had an eye on him in January), I have him sit with me, buy him a drink. “Can you stay overnight?” “Ok”. I off him. We go to my hotel and have some fun. “Are you top or bottom?” “Top only” “Do you like boys or girls?” “Oh no! I like girls, maybe both.” (Note to myself: next time ask such questions when leaving. Then I don’t have to spoil the experience by thinking about how disgusting it must be for a straight men to touch and be touched by another man.) Around 00:30, he wants to leave to meet friends. I ask if I could join, it’s ok. We go to an Isaan restaurant close to the closed Dude Man club where he meets a friend and we have a meal. He tells me he has to change clothes and can’t come back to my hotel. I tell him that I would like him to stay with me overnight. He sends a friend on his motorbike to get his clothes. I’m impressed! We chat what we can do tomorrow and agree on going to Koh Larn. However, the friend goes to a party with girls instead (that’s what O tells me some phone calls later after we finish our meal). I pay for our meal and he asks me for money for short-time. I give him 1000 B and we agree to meet at 11 am the following day.

 

Wed 30.06. I get up at 10:30. I send O SMS at 11:00. He calls at 11:20 and says he will be there in 20 min. Finally he arrives at 12 and tells me it’s to late to go to Koh Larn. Ok, I’m flexible, I can go to Koh Larn with another boy on another day, so we change to Nong Nooch. Taxi return 800 B, entry 2 * 400 B. We have a nice day at Nong Nooch. We have fun again in my hotel room. I give him another 1000 B. He is surprised about my generosity. I’m a fool. Because he didn’t stay overnight as agreed in the bar I paid twice short time (2 * 1000 Baht) instead of once long time (1 * 1500 Baht) . At least it’s money from the rich to the poor. And he has a wonderful body. He goes home and I go to a medical clinic nearby my hotel. One ear is swollen and hurts a bit when I touch it or lay on the side of this ear or open my mouth wide or brush my teeth. It started a day ago, after the painfully loud music in the Thai4Thai disco. Ear rinsing for over one hour, an injection into butt on this day and on both following days and four types of pill, to be taken 3 times a day. 38.9°C fever. But apart from this no further problems. The strange feeling after injection into butt vanishes soon. Go to New Queens bar, have P sitting with me (I know him from GR), invite him for dinner and tip him 100 B. I call N to meet me in Sunee. He doesn’t like Sunee, so we meet at my hotel. On the way to hotel, a Farang from a bar, Q, follows me. He is from Germany and studies in Bkk and is for holiday in Pattaya. We agree to meet again. He has no mobile phone. I meet N at my hotel and we walk through Walking street and along the beach to Dave Man Club and chat. He worked in a gogo-bar four years ago for half a year, met his now ex-boyfriend (“Him butterfly, him lie to me, him many boys”) and now lives with a Farang and keeps his household and gets free accommodation, internet, TV, but no money. “Him §$%&.” It was incomprehensible, even after several repetitions I didn’t get it. Written down it read something like “pormbel”. So finally “Him problem. Him boyfriend lie to him. 30000 B”. I enjoyed Dave Man Club. We go back and he stays overnight.

 

Thu 01.07. We get up and have a meal together. I try to find out what he would like to do this day, but whatever I suggest (massage – I mean real massage, beach, Pattaya park, sightseeing), he doesn’t like it. “So what do you like?” “Maybe disco or cinema – but now no good cinema in Pattaya” (???). “Now I have to go back, do laundry”. Sorry, but I can’t do any more for you. This was an invitation to whereever he wants to go. I give him another 800 B (with the 200 B from 29.06. that makes only 1000 B for long-time, but this boy is a dud in public and in bed, very shy and passive. In January, my experience was similar. I think I will not see him again. But I kind of feel sorry for him because I rarely get a smile on his face.). So I go to the gay beach and spend the afternoon walking there alone. At night, on my way from Sunee to Boyztown, I walk through Day Night area. Without paying special attention, I notice a bar that has only male customers, young Thais and some old Farang. I ask and get a confirmation that is a gay host bar. It’s not on my map and I didn’t find it in the internet. It’s named “Stor Corner” and is adjacent to T&T Karaoke (map available on request). Does anyone know this venue? I have a drink at Office Boys. Go to Boyztown, Toy Boys. This has the lowest music level from all the bars I visited, I could understand the mamasan talking to the guests on the neighbouring table. Mamasan chats with me and point to my neighbour “Him sapen” (I don’t get it) and points to another one “him Mexico” (Ah! Sapen – Spain!). Tip one boy 100 B. Go to Dynamite Boys. A pleasant surprise. The music is a bit too loud, but this is compensated by the fact that out of around 30 boys several are cute. And they all wear different underwear. (I like underwear.) I could have stayed longer, but R, a friend from GR, called that he is now at Family Mart. (We had an appointment an hour ago, but I’m learning and arrange meetings in a way that I can spend the delay doing something I would do anyway.) We have dinner at Café Royale and then go to Copa showbar. There is a good circulation of boys, there are only few tatoos and the boys look happy. Smokers go outside. I go home with R. We agree to go to Crocodile farm and Million years stone park the following day. He suggests a friend can drive cheaper or for same price as taxi.

 

Fri 02.07. At 7 am, he tells me that he cannot sleep (too hot) and goes home now. We agree to meet in the afternoon. I sleep till noon and he comes and picks me up with his motorbike. I see his room (i.e. the room he shares with 5 other family members and which contains a shop as well. There is one bed, in which 2 or 3 sleep, he sleeps on the floor. It’s ok as they don’t all sleep at the same time. The amount of merchandise in the shop is less than my parents have in their larder/pantry.) A friend drives us to the Crocodile farm and Million years stone park. Taxi return 800 B, entry 300 B + 120 B. I invite the friend to join us, but she prefers to sleep in the car. It’s as beautiful as Nong Nooch. We have a nice day. Return to his home. As his friend is with us when we say goodbye, I don’t know how to offer money, besides, there was no hint for money. So, no money changes hands (but I paid for all expenses). Back in my room, I notice he forgot his umbrella. Call him, he comes on motorbike. On saying goodbye we are alone, so I have to ask “Did you come with me for fun or do you expect money?” “For fun.” So there is free fun in Pattaya! Go to Boyztown Star Boys, 10 boys, tip one boy 100 B. Meet S (friend from GR) and have drink in Wunderbar, then in Wan’s place. My friend is a host-bar boy, who is not working at the moment, preparing for a trip back home later in July. To see if I can repeat “for fun” from yesterday, I ask “Do you go with me for fun or for money?” I got an indignant “For fun! We chat long time!” So we go to my room, have fun, hug and cuddle later when he gets a phone call at 2:20 am. He has to go home! A roommate called, a farang wants to chat with him on MSN! He promised to be back at 3 am, but I know this will not happen. This blow/stroke will spoil the rest of my holiday. However, I’m not angry with him. It must be very important. And he knows he made a mistake, he sends SMS that he is sorry and tells me he is sorry when we meet again. Lesson learned: Let the boy switch off his mobile when entering your room! (I knew this before, but now I experienced myself what can happen!). Sleep alone.

 

Sat 03.07. I wake up around 10, call him to meet me later so we can spend the day together. He agrees to meet at 11. I have nothing to do so I walk around Sunee. At 12, he calls me that he cannot meet me today. I call around to meet T (friend from GR), he can meet me tonight. Call around to meet U (friend from GR), he can meet me at the beach. I go to the beach where I see Farang Q again. Take a chair and read and watch boys on the beach. (The gay beach was rather disappointing in January and in June as well. However, there is W, who is very cute and I like his hairdo and his swimmwear. U comes more or less in time, we chat and make a loose appointment for movie tonight. I miss a message from T who wants to come to meet me now (afternoon). V (a friend from GR living in Bkk) sms me that he is in Pattaya tonight and wants to meet me. I go to Sansuk sauna. I don’t recognize T, whose SMS I missed at the beach, and who went to Sansuk instead of meeting me at the beach. He is just leaving and we exchange a smile, he recognizes me and goes back in. He follows me and we go to a room. He is smoker and he had a cigarette before, so we just chat in the room and from the details of his life I remember that we chatted on GR before and recognize him. I tell him that I don’t like smoke and we part and agree to meet later (so he gets the smell off his body). I meet Farang Q again. He is short of money and asks me to lend him 150 B. Despite knowing better, I give him the money. (Why does he go to sansuk if he has no money? A friend invited him!) I meet again with T, who either doesn’t get rid of the smell or had another cigarette. We go to a room and have fun which is disturbed by the smell. As the lights are low on the walls, we can see shadows from the action in the adjacent room on the ceiling. He wants to spend the evening and the night with me, but he has to be back to work by 1pm tomorrow (means if I take him overnight I’m alone the following day). I’m indecisive what to do. I spent the whole afternoon alone and now I have four dates for the evening: T, U, V and Q. I don’t know what to tell T and we just hang around (and I oogle at W). He liked what we did in the room, but now he wants to stay with me. My plans were different! I try to explain to T that S left me unexpectedly and therefore everything changed. I watch the croud and recognize P and X, a boy whom I paid for a “massage” in January. Fortunately, T has to leave, we agree to meet the following morning (I know this will not happen). Now I can focus on W, who is more or less around a Farang, and get him in a moment where he is less around the farang and get his GR profile and phone number. I decide to spend the early night with Q, as we are both German and can chat in German. I invite him for dinner and he aks me for another 300 B. Despite better knowledge, I give him the money. (In August, I met a German tourist at the Malaysia who had his passport and money stolen while he was drunk. He was fluent in Thai and was learning Khmer and Burmese. The same story: first ask for money for hotel room, next meeting for money for something else, pay back in some days when money from home arrives.) Not only the Thai, even the Farang in Thailand are crooks who just want your money! We part and I go to Boyztown. Dynamite Boyz. Dream Boyz: not my type. Kawaii Boyz: around 15 boys, nice dancing. Lucky 777: around 15 boys, too cold! Back to Sunee. Drink in Wunderbar, invite a boy, very limited English (mamasan had to translate), can’t stay overnight, tip 100 B. The bars close and I’m alone! Call P. He is alone. Come to my room in 20min. Arrives 1h later. Shower, hug and cuddle. Sleep.

 

Sun 04.07. Wake up, have fun. We eat. What can we do together? It’s raining and he has to get back to his room so I don’t pursue spending the day together. (Currently living in England, I’m surprised how quick rain is over in Thailand.) I give him 1500 B and we part. I call U to go to a movie. He arrives in time on his motorbike. He invites me to watch “Eclipse” (Taylor Lautner is one of the few cute Caucasians I know). I invite him for a cake and a chat. Drive to the large “Pattaya” sign on his motorbike. He likes Caucasian men, I like Far-East-Asian men, alas, he is not my type! So we part as “just friends”. Go to Funny Boys. Independence day. “4th July 8:30 pm sharp sexy underwear fashion show”. Plenty of boys on stage in different underwear, but just standing there, not moving. 8:40 I ask waiter “When is the show?” “Sorry no show today.” “Ok, I see” – What the fuck? Are you kidding me? Ask another waiter when leaving: no show. Outside I check again: “4th July 8:30pm sharp

[Guest]

A very interesting read.

 

1 Whether or not your newly met acquaintance spends 20% or 50% of his earnings on taxi fares to works is irrelevant. He may be that stupid, or he may be lying. Either way, it should make no difference to what you pay him. Tip based on the market rate, with perhaps a little more if he's good & less if he is not.

Lots of people you speak to will have implausible hard luck stories. Learn to ignore them.

 

2 Don't worry about the money you lent to farang this time. Just don't lend a single penny to anyone next time, unless they are someone you have known very well for years. What sort of character tries to borrow money of someone he doesn't know very well? They know where the ATM machines are -so either they can use them or if there are no funds in their account, then you wouldn't want to lend them money anyway. Besides, there are 6 billion people on this planet & you are under no obligation to subsidise newly met scroungers.

 

3 Aircon. I think the way to solve your problem is to visit Thailand at a cooler time of year. Then run the aircon to cool the room down before going to bed & switch it off. That should keep the room temperature at a reasonable level. North facing rooms are helpful if there is morning sun too.

 

4 Personal Hygiene

I operate a similar regime to you when in Thailand. Several showers a day & the daily change of clothes is just before going out for the evening. Have not encountered people leaving at 3:00 am to go home. I did hear someone say the beds at Howards were way too hard though. Are the beds there comfortable & clean enough?

 

5 Uninvited Visitors

A money boy trying to force himself on you is not very polite. If you politely decline his advances & he does not go away, don't worry about being slightly impolite when you tell him to go.

 

Must confess I have been rather cautious when trying to persuade someone to go after the short time date extended to about 48 hours. However, when someone who you never even wanted to off tries to force himself on you, it's perfectly reasonable to clearly say no without any further explanation.

[Gaybutton]

I agree with z909. Let me ask you something, is there a Gay Romeo boy you haven't met?

 

I think, if you made mistakes beyond what z909 outlined, you were giving far too much money to boys who were not living up to what they were supposed to be doing. They seem to have perceived you as an easy mark.

 

I also think, based on my interpretation of your very comprehensive diary, you were here focused almost exclusively on boys and bars. Not that it's a bad thing, but I think you may have simply been trying too hard and not getting all the results you wanted. I also think you spent too much time with individual boys. If you were here trying to have essentially a sex holiday, you might have been better off taking them for short time, giving them their tip, and see you later. Then move on to the next boy.

 

But I don't understand why you wrote that you may not come back to Thailand again. Aside from a few minor incidents, it seems to me that you had a great time. Also, now that you experienced a number of the negatives, next time you'll be prepared for it, know what to expect, and much better equipped to deal with these things when they occur.

 

I really don't think it's reasonable of you to blame Thailand for the problems you encountered. What I see as where to place any blame would be on your own approach to awkward situations.

[Guest]

Also:

 

If you don't like body hair, there is no better place to find a partner for the evening than gogo bars. That way you know the appearance of the guy will be to your liking & you can also exclude any candidates who are unwilling to smile & look at you in the eyes.

 

As for Funny Boys not running a show, well that's hardly a hanging offence. They have a great selection of guys and the service is good too. Learn to appreciate the good points. I can think of no other bar in the world that I would rather visit.

OK, so ideally the advertised shows should take place. If it doesn't, then after enjoying your drink & the cute guys on stage, just go to a bar that does have what you want. Your loss is just the price of one drink.

 

Don't let little things spoil your holiday. When total strangers try to part you from your money, just very firmly say no & they will clear off soon enough.

[Guest fountainhall]

I can't really add much that is positive, other than the fact that I think you perhaps overplanned - at least in the sense that you knew and relied on too many boys from both GR and the last visit. Casual acquaintanceships here tend not to stand the test of time. The boys have met too many other people in the interim. Also, GR is great for meeting friends within a few days of chatting. That initial interest, though, can tend to wane if you are not in the country, notwithstanding promises of a good time once you get here.

 

I also think part of the excitement of being in a country like Thailand is the unexpected. So leave some time for cruising around and internet chatting when you get here. And don't just rely on GR. Try gaydar, for example, which can be busy in the evenings, and camfrog. And don't give up on the bars. Low season is certainly not the best time to visit, but it is mostly a different ball game between November and April.

 

One question. You mention Chakran. I used to frequent it until about 6 years ago. It has a reputation of being thai-for-thai but I liked the ambience and usually had a good time there. Did you emjoy it? And did you see any older farang there? Re the other saunas, my Thai friends tell me 39 Underground is far better than Farose.

[ChristianPFC]

Beds at Howards were comfortable and clean. I never had problems to sleep in hotel beds, so my opinion might not be very helpful.

 

My expectations were: Find a boy in disco or sauna for free or in bar for tip, spend the night AND the next day with him and maybe stay together or move on to the next boy. Until I find one I want to stay with for longer. I know boys are not in time, so I plan delays. But I cannot plan sudden disappearance at 3am, leaving me alone the following day. Or having to get back to room after getting up and having breakfast/lunch together.

 

What is the secret of a successful long-time off AND spending the next day together? Well, I had this with J, but I quickly realized he will go with me anywhere and tell me anything he thinks I want to hear. What I have to offer is long-time tip and full entertainment for the following day at a place of more or less the boy

[Gaybutton]

one letdown in the evening/at night spoils the entire following day.

That's where I think you're going wrong. You're saying that as if that's the way it is supposed to be. If something going wrong spoils the entire next day, it's because you are letting it spoil your day and you are choosing to feel that way. Sometimes things go wrong, including sexual encounters. That's life. You can let it spoil your day. You can also choose to get over it, forget it, move on, and try to have a better next day.

[Guest]

Thai Moneyboys are about the most trouble free I have encountered & I have never had a truly bad experience after an off.

 

Sometimes what happens is slightly below expectations, but generally they do a good job.

Certainly not enough to worry about it the next day.

 

As you have a low tolerance for being messed about, I suggest finding a reliable pick up method that works & sticking with it.

 

For example:

 

1 Focus on gogo bars. This removes the risks of him not showing or having too much body hair.

 

2 Send the Mamasan away. This reduces the risk of their lies affecting your judgement.

 

3 Select someone who you like AND who can maintain eye contact with you whilst smiling. This eliminates the risk of hiring someone who cannot bear to look at you or other customers.

 

4 Give him the nod & as he's maintaining eye contact with you, he should come over on his own accord. Shoo the Mamasan away again.

 

5 If he speaks enough English, converse with him directly (whilst shooing the Mamasan away).

 

6 Kiss him. That way you find out if he's affectionate before leaving the bar.

 

Off him. If you are happy with short time, no need to discuss tips in advance. The going rate in Pattaya is ~1000, so if he's done well, perhaps give him a little more. If he wants much more, don't worry. Not your problem -HE should have specified that before the off, as HE's the one deviating from the market norm.

Politely tell him that's what he's getting & he is likely to leave with a smile. And he will want your business the next day.

 

I don't have much experience of negotiating long time. I just off someone & if he's still in the bed the next day, we're on long time.

 

Accept a few little lies too. The one I hear most is "you handsome". Telling the truth would hardly be good customer service would it? Enjoy.

[MrBill]

That's where I think you're going wrong. You're saying that as if that's the way it is supposed to be. If something going wrong spoils the entire next day, it's because you are letting it spoil your day and you are choosing to feel that way.

 

Here, Here! I couldn't agree more. No offense, but the report reminded me a bit of Goldilocks and the Three Bears - things were either too hard or too soft but never just right.

 

"Destiny is not a matter of chance; it is a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for; it is a thing to be achieved."

-William Jennings Bryan

 

"I have learned from experience that the greater part of our happiness or misery depends on our dispositions and not on our circumstances."

- Martha Washington

 

"Whenever you see darkness, there is extraordinary opportunity for the light to burn brighter."

- Bono

 

"Write the bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble."

- Arabic parable

 

"People are disturbed not by things but by the view they take of them."

- Epictetus

 

"You cannot control what happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you."

- Brian Tracy

 

"All that we are is a result of what we have thought."

-Buddha

 

"We must not allow the clock and the calendar to blind us to the fact that each moment of life is a miracle and mystery."

- H. G. Wells

 

"If you want to test your memory, try to recall what you were worrying about [or disappointed in] one year ago today."

- E. Joseph Cossman

 

My thoughts for the day...

[Guest Kurt]

Hi Christian, you didn't let out a lot, didn't you that might be your problem

[colmx]

HI Christian

Enjoyed your report... Thanks!

 

It seems like you missed our on NAB when you were in Patttaya.

It is the night time gay Mecca... so a pity you missed it

 

Think of ICK or Dave man club only bigger and better!

 

Also lots of Bkk students there at the weekend and young SE asians.... Stick it in your diary for the next trip!

[ChristianPFC]

Two weeks ago, I started checking airfares from Europe to Bangkok. There is no more doubt: I will be back this winter!

[Guest Jason105]

MrBill

Thanks for posting those thoughts.

Good reminders!

 

Also thanks to PFC for sharing, it brought back memories of LOS.

Glad to hear that he is planning to return.

 

All the best

[Guest GaySacGuy]

A very nice report, but covers a lot of ground. I guess I just want to slow down a little and smell the roses. If you find something you like, you don't have to keep looking.