Farang Owner of La Dolce Vita Bar Found Hanged

[Gaybutton]

I try not to post these things without confirmation. I just received the confirmation. This has been confirmed by the Pattaya police. Peter, the owner of the La Dolce Vita bar in Jomtien Complex, was found hanged this morning - inside the bar. Nothing had been stolen from the bar and murderers usually don't commit the crime by hanging people, so it's obviously most likely a suicide.

 

At this point I have no further details. I will post what I can find out.

[Guest kotter]

I understand that what you have said is true and the person in question, PJ or Jon Pierre was found hanging at 4am by a security guard in the alley by the side of his bar!!

I am a little confused as to the presumption you make of "murderers dont usually commit the crime by hanging" and the assumption that it was a suicide.

As I understand it a Thai was involved although I have no evidence of this.

I am not that confident that whatever was told by the Pattaya Police is the whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!

[Gaybutton]

I am a little confused as to the presumption you make of "murderers dont usually commit the crime by hanging" and the assumption that it was a suicide.

It looks like I spoke too soon and it may have been a murder after all, although it was being called a suicide when the news first broke. My latest information is the police are now conducting a murder investigation. As usual, it didn't take long for the rumor mill to go into operation full swing, but I intend to post only what I know to be fact. Before the critics jump all over me for earlier saying it is an apparent suicide, therefore not necessarily fact, at the time that's what the police were saying. Now they're saying differently.

 

I don't know why you would feel that the police may not tell the whole truth. After all, it was this same police department that years ago discovered a body in Pattaya Bay, weighted down, hands tied behind his back, and a bag tied around the head - and ruled it a suicide. What's not to be confident about . . . ?

[Guest kotter]

Agreed!

 

Unfortunately, Tourism is paramount in there protection of a situation like this.

 

You have only to read about how the PM is having an enquiry lnto the price of eggs (How a size two egg cannot be more than two baht!) that will tell how skewed the Thai logic is. I would have thought an omolette would have been the last thing on his mind in steering this Country towards democracy!!!

 

 

It looks like I spoke too soon and it may have been a murder after all, although it was being called a suicide when the news first broke. My latest information is the police are now conducting a murder investigation. As usual, it didn't take long for the rumor mill to go into operation full swing, but I intend to post only what I know to be fact. Before the critics jump all over me for earlier saying it is an apparent suicide, therefore not necessarily fact, at the time that's what the police were saying. Now they're saying differently.

 

I don't know why you would feel that the police may not tell the whole truth. After all, it was this same police department that years ago discovered a body in Pattaya Bay, weighted down, hands tied behind his back, and a bag tied around the head - and ruled it a suicide. What's not to be confident about . . . ?

[Guest richsilver]

Has anybody seen anything about this in the press? I've only seen it here on this forum.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

I looked through Pattaya One News website and couln't find anything.

[Guest RichLB]

I certainly believe GB and his source and Kotter seems to know what he is talking about, too. But, strangely, La Dolce Vita was openn last night and packed with young men working. I found this odd because my limited experience has led me to believe that fear of ghosts would keep Thais away. I even know of a 7/11 that had to be torn down after a murder before anyone would rent the space again. In addition, when I asked one of the guys what had happened, he was confused and suggested i talk to the farang howner who was seated at a table nearby. Given all this, I suspect we are getting a mixed up version of whatever did or did not happen.

[Guest gay_grampa]

Has anybody seen anything about this in the press? I've only seen it here on this forum.

 

I can confirm that I heard the story of the death from an entirely separate source last night.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

..suggested i talk to the farang howner who was seated at a table nearby.

Did you talk to the owner?

[Gaybutton]

This story is beginning to have me wondering too. Before posting, I confirmed with four different sources, not one of whom would have any reason in the world to conjure it up or bullshit me into writing a false information post. I checked the local media today and nothing is there, although that part doesn't surprise me very much.

 

What is striking me as most odd is last night I was down there. It was open and operating as usual, with nobody acting as if anything was amiss at all - until I asked a waiter what he knew about it. It was one of those broadly smiling "welcome inside mister" guys who was quite friendly - that is until I asked what happened. With that the smile suddenly vanished and he just clammed right up and refused to say anything about it.

 

Kotter got his version of the story from a security guard. I never spoke to the security guard, so that makes a fifth source.

 

We just finished about a month of rumors about Googie's death until it was finally confirmed without dispute. Now here comes another one.

 

I'm not going to start playing private detective, but obviously something strange is going on with this story. I'm demoting it to rumor instead of fact for the time being.

[atri1666]

Who of the 2 owners is dead? When i stayed in Haus Mewie i talked many times with both and they have been funny guys. Met them many times also in Sunee.

[Gaybutton]

I am now convinced the story is true. This morning I got two more confirmations. The victim is Jon Pierre.

 

We had breakfast at the Poseidon this morning, which is just a few doors down from La Dolce Vita. They staff at Poseidon knew about it. I did not know until this morning, but Jon Pierre had actually worked at the Poseidon not long ago.

 

Nobody I've found seems to know anything more, but it still strikes me as mildly strange that nothing has appeared in the media and highly strange that La Dolce Vita was open and operating as if nothing at all had happened.

[Guest kotter]

I understand that what you have said is true and the person in question, PJ or Jon Pierre was found hanging at 4am by a security guard in the alley by the side of his bar!!

I am a little confused as to the presumption you make of "murderers dont usually commit the crime by hanging" and the assumption that it was a suicide.

As I understand it a Thai was involved although I have no evidence of this.

I am not that confident that whatever was told by the Pattaya Police is the whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!

 

 

GB

Just to clarify a point. I did not say I had got my information from the security guard!.( as per the above quote) The source I got it from was reliable, however since then the story has ,like many things, changed and is that he was found by his boyfriend. Who I understand is very distraught at what has happened.

 

I have also heard other rumours which seem a little far fetched so I will not repeat them and regard them as gossip. He was having dinner in a restaurant very close by, earlier in the evening, and was in great spirits. Certainly not in a depressed mood!!

 

Perhaps we should let sleeping dogs lie and not delve too much more into it. As far as the bar opening I made the same comment to some friends and we also find it strange.....but then this is Thailand.

[Gaybutton]

but then this is Thailand.

That's for sure. As I said, I'm not going to play private detective. But now I'm very curious as to what is going on and what happened, but I'm not curious enough to spend a lot of time trying to find out. I never met the guy that I know of, so for me it's curiosity, not personal loss.

 

Perhaps we should let sleeping dogs lie and not delve too much more into it.

I might agree with you if I thought it was a sleeping dog, but this is all too recent to call it a sleeping dog. I'm sure sooner or later the story of what actually happened will come out.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

To side track - I used that phrase to my bf and explained to him what it meant. Later he was chatting online with a friend in UK and said to him about something,"let your puppy sleep". The guy had a good laugh and said he did understand what was meant.

[Guest fountainhall]

To side track - I used that phrase to my bf and explained to him what it meant. Later he was chatting online with a friend in UK and said to him about something,"let your puppy sleep". The guy had a good laugh and said he did understand what was meant.

I think idioms must be the most difficult part of the english language for non-english speakers. I was once having dinner with Japanese friends and suggested we go to a disco as I wanted to let my hair down. One, a very good english speaker, thought for a moment, and then said: "Yes, I think I'll let my hair grow a bit longer, too."

[Guest lvdkeyes]

I never will forget a Filipina nurse in the US who had failed the psychiatric section of the state boards. When I talked to her about it, she said the questions were very difficult. I asked her to explain what she meant. She said "The question said "A patient says to you I am at the end of my rope. How would you respond?" I asked her what she thought the question meant. She said, " I don't know. All I could see was a man hanging onto the the end of a rope". Many foreign nurses had trouble with the psychiatric section because of the use of slang and idioms on the test.

[Gaybutton]

Thai language media is reporting that a Sunee Plaza male has been arrested in connection with this death. That's all the information I have. Strange that none of the English language media has said a word about it.

[Guest HeyGay]

I certainly believe GB and his source and Kotter seems to know what he is talking about, too. But, strangely, La Dolce Vita was openn last night and packed with young men working. I found this odd because my limited experience has led me to believe that fear of ghosts would keep Thais away. I even know of a 7/11 that had to be torn down after a murder before anyone would rent the space again. In addition, when I asked one of the guys what had happened, he was confused and suggested i talk to the farang howner who was seated at a table nearby. Given all this, I suspect we are getting a mixed up version of whatever did or did not happen.

 

Dont get ropped into one mans Gossip Charade.

 

May be the man above, who you think is a reliable source, not GB as he is hearing it from the Bar flies second hand, who I have been told over the weekend, is spewing the Information to be true, that a murder occurred it well me be true, this has now been told to me by 7 different people the source of this Information is none other than the guy for mentioned.

 

The worrying part I would have thought is, and who will ever know what the real truth is, as they have now arrested some one, its has now taken on a life of its own and most have forgotten who the original informer of this information is, now I hear the latest is, he was giving out who he feels did the murder , telling any one that would listen, I only hope they do not hear about it at the 99 baht gay club, only 2 in Pattaya one he think he manages, or it will be a double, by the sound of it., even though very wisely, he seems to be back peddling here now, but to any one who knows how dangerous he is, I would have thought his opinion that has now got the whole town talking, all from one source, its amazing how to get gossip turning into truth. Then standing back and pretend it did not all come from one man.

[Guest HeyGay]

Be very careful with this case as I hear there are now some very angry quite rightly, people involved. around Sunee Plaza.,that one man crusade has spread this information around. even though it seems to now, it is being Investigated. by the arrest.

[kokopelli]

Dont get ropped into one mans Gossip Charade.

 

 

HeyGay's response has to be the oddest, most cryptic post I have ever read.

[Gaybutton]

that one man crusade has spread this information around. even though it seems to now, it is being Investigated. by the arrest.

I have no idea who you mean by a one-man crusade or why you think many people truly give a damn about it in the first place, but none of the people you are referring to are my sources of information. The fact is the man is dead, was found hanged, and the incident is being investigated as a possible murder. Another fact is someone has been arrested in connection with it. What is it that anyone would be angry about? If someone dislikes what is being said, he is perfectly welcome to post his own version of the incident.

[Guest buckeroo2]

 

The worrying part I would have thought is, and who will ever know what the real truth is, as they have now arrested some one, its has now taken on a life of its own and most have forgotten who the original informer of this information is, now I hear the latest is, he was giving out who he feels did the murder , telling any one that would listen, I only hope they do not hear about it at the 99 baht gay club, only 2 in Pattaya one he think he manages, or it will be a double, by the sound of it., even though very wisely, he seems to be back peddling here now, but to any one who knows how dangerous he is, I would have thought his opinion that has now got the whole town talking, all from one source, its amazing how to get gossip turning into truth.

Dude, that sentence consists of 153 words and 16 commas - a major run-on sentence - does Vanna sell periods?

[Guest HeyGay]

What I was saying one man was leaking the Information a certain 99 Baht bar in Sunee Plaza has a staff member who was the culprit in this case and was telling all who would listen, so it traveled around town like a fire. But now is back peddle ling.

 

 

But what I also say, the people concerned, know of this and are very angry, so it is a very dangerous topic to be involved with, when your known and your movements can be tracked. To another 99 baht bar in the Jomtiem Complex, And this guy has been involved with other beatings, for giving out Information about people, with out any proof, every one is entitled to be innocent till proven guilty, not by this mans kangaroo court. I wish him luck on this one. Of course what GB said about Thai Papers, was nothing to do with it, only the news he heard from the other sources. It will be interesting to see how it all finishes, hope others are not finished with it.

 

 

[Gaybutton]

What I was saying one man was leaking the Information a certain 99 Baht bar in Sunee Plaza has a staff member who was the culprit in this case and was telling all who would listen, so it traveled around town like a fire.

Ok, now I think I understand. I think you are saying someone has been gossiping this all over Sunee Plaza and he has been naming names and ruining the reputation of someone who, as far as I know, has only been questioned about this incident, has not been convicted of anything at all, and although he has been arrested, he has thus far not yet even been charged with a crime. Yes, I would agree with you that if someone has been doing that, then he's definitely in the wrong and anger directed toward him would be justified.

 

I think what you are trying to say is to advise people they can talk about anything they want, but at least leave people's names out of it until they have actually been charged with a crime or the names have been published in the media. I agree that naming the person being questioned and investigated is a very wrong thing to do unless and until he has been charged with a crime. I agree that simply being arrested and questioned does not make him guilty of anything and someone is going way out of line if he is busy ruining this person's reputation. I don't understand why someone would even want to do that.