Music Volume in the Bars

[Guest TOQ]

Yes, that is what I was looking for. Will you be kind enough to email it to me

 

I may have use for it a bit later

 

 

john

[Guest]

Who says the horse is dead? Certainly it's had many outings, but this one doesn't die.

 

Bar does not understand customer wishes = Loud music

 

Bar does understand customer wishes = Reasonable volume music, in most cases.

 

Bars that totally disregard their customers have a tendency to go bust. That's the beauty of capitalism.

[Guest TOQ]

Who says the horse is dead? Certainly it's had many outings, but this one doesn't die.

 

Bar does not understand customer wishes = Loud music

 

Bar does understand customer wishes = Reasonable volume music, in most cases.

 

Bars that totally disregard their customers have a tendency to go bust. That's the beauty of capitalism.

 

The Horse is Dead. I have seen this discussed many times on several boards over the years.

Nothing has changed and I don't believe it will. All the pissing and moaning isnt going to help one bit or sway anyones mind.

 

The Horse is Dead.

[Gaybutton]

The Horse is Dead.

What's the matter, don't you believe in a next life? Besides, I think we have accomplished something. Personally, I think the "pissing and moaning" is a good thing. I like the idea of beating this particular dead horse.

 

"He'll hang there 'till he rots!" - Charles McGraw, 'Spartacus'

[Guest Jason105]

Just to be clear.

My willingness to tolerate the volume of the music when it is "too loud" is directly proportional to the appeal and charm of the "staff."

 

With relatively few "stunners" and even fewer "my type" (whatever that may be at the moment) it becomes a matter of a few moments to make the decision that the music is "too loud" and head for the door.

 

However, when "Mr. Right Now" is giving the "smile that launched a thousand flights of fancy" the music volume can be tolerated long enough to make contact, ascertain compatability and, with any luck, offer an invitation to leave for more agreeable pursuits.

 

Once I am accompanied by this paragon of desirability, I avoid anyplace where the already difficult task of understandable conversation is made even more difficult by the volume of the music.

 

all the best

[Guest xiandarkthorne]

When I first came to LOS and didn't speak any Thai, the loud music never bothered me either...because I let my fingers do all the talking.

[Guest fountainhall]

To explain my "other" vote: I don't go to the bars, but if I did I would certainly not frequent those that have the music so loud as to give me a headache or not be able to carry on a conversation.

Maybe the answer is not framed as tightly as it might have been, but surely you should have voted for No. 2, on the basis that you would not go into any bar if the music was so loud as to prevent conversation?

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Should I have? Thank you for telling me how I should have voted.

[Guest fountainhall]

Thank you for telling me how I should have voted.

It seemed a logical conclusion based on the spirit of the thread and your comments. I would never tell someone how to vote - and did not mean to give offence.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Apology accepted.

[Gaybutton]

It seemed a logical conclusion based on the spirit of the thread and your comments.

Be that as it may, if we include Lvdkeyes' explanation of his vote, that's 32 out of 40 votes so far that dislike the loud music. I hope that tells all the bar owners something, especially if they want our business.

[daddydawg]

So, you get a choice . . . "5-Baht Mary" or "10-Baht Tui."

 

lol oh my god...and I have been calling here "5-baht Latrina" as there years. No wonder she never answered me...wrong name.

[Guest fountainhall]

Be that as it may, if we include Lvdkeyes' explanation of his vote, that's 32 out of 40 votes so far that dislike the loud music.

Correct though that interpretation is, some might go further by suggesting that as only 20 out of the 42 (as of today's date/time) have clearly stated they would actually walk out of the bar, the case against loud music has not yet been firmly established. For me, that's extremely disappointing as I absolutely abhor it.

[Guest]

Correct though that interpretation is, some might go further by suggesting that as only 20 out of the 42 (as of today's date/time) have clearly stated they would actually walk out of the bar, the case against loud music has not yet been firmly established. For me, that's extremely disappointing as I absolutely abhor it.

 

Losing almost 50% of customers is generally bad for business.

 

Then maybe some of the 12 who would not leave the bar might choose to go to another bar next time. Some people really don't like to leave a drink that's paid for.

 

Just imagine in the Tesco annual report "like for like sales down 50% as some tw*t decided to play loud music in store". No it wouldn't happen.

[Guest jomtien]

Losing almost 50% of customers is generally bad for business.

 

 

 

They aren't losing 50% of their customers. They are (maybe) losing 50% of the people on this board that voted in the poll.

 

There is a big difference.

[Guest alaan]

My feeling on loud music in the Gogo bars is the same as it was when I first started visiting Thailand and the bars years ago. The owners/mamasans {and the boys for that matter) don't really want the customers speaking amongst themselves, you can see from the way most operate that they want the minimum of anything that is likely to distract the customers from the business at hand which is to buy a drink/drinks, select a boy, pay the bar fine,tab and tips where necessary and get on your way.

 

I suspect too much discussion is unhelpful to owners/mamsans, you might start asking too many 'difficult' questions, especially about the boys details, what he can/cannot do,the minimum said and fuss saves having to lie too much to customers really.

 

If the music is loud you can only really be bothered or are able to 'discuss' the important things for bar boys and owners...namely....you want some drink sir? drink for the boy? what your name, where you come from, how long you stay Thailand.....off fee xxx Baht, tip for boy up to you. Thats all they really want to discuss, anything else can wait till you get outside, in terms of the bar the end result has been achieved any other sweet talk or casual chatter just 'gets in the way'. If the boy has to commit to something he isn't 100% sure about before being taken off, it is easier for him simply not to have the discussion in the first place and to rely on non-specifics when it comes to 'later'.

 

Bar Beers are of course different, they encourage chatter and the hope you will stay for a while and buy a few drinks and get to know the staff etc...

 

I have only once sat in a gogo bar and chatted with a fellow customer, and that was at Funny Boys,and I still had to strain to hear exactly what was being said and I was totally distracted from the 'business in hand' so for me the question is more why would you need or even want to have the music low enough so you can hear the mind-numbing chatter of people around you...the Bar beers are for that in my opinion, and their music is always more just background music. Between the bar beers and Jomtien gay beach area I hear more than enough of boorish foreigners/farangs, the loud music in the gogos at least drowns them out.

 

Give me loud music over music that one can speak over or hear others anytime, absolute ear-splitting volume is another thing,i dont like that, but I have never really felt the music volume in Gogos for the 30 minutes or so I am normally in one, bad enough to have to leave.

 

As I say, I wouldn't consider visting Gogos for 'chatting', besides, if necessary sign language can be fun and 'more to the point' in terms of getting your plans for the evening understood.

 

The other thing i find irritating is customers/farangs who insist and want the boys to be actually gogo dancing, the last thing i need is to be 'entertained' by a bunch of amatuer gogo dancers, yes Coyote dancers who can actually dance or the guys in Euro who can do it naturally, but the one foot shuffle is fine for me, i can see everything i want to in terms of checking out body types, and i find that eye contact is the most important thing for me when choosing a likely partner for the evening, as well as smiles and how well they interact with me, i couldn't care less about whether they shuffle on one foot or not, it is irrelevant for me.

 

As another poster said it is the quality of the boys available that decides whether I stay in a gogo bar or not, certainly not the music volume level.

[Guest]

They aren't losing 50% of their customers. They are (maybe) losing 50% of the people on this board that voted in the poll.

 

There is a big difference.

 

The majority of the customers in gogo bars, especially Pattaya gogo bars are western males of a certain age. I believe that matches the profile of the people who participate in this forum.

Therefore it is likely the poll is a good representation of what would occur if a bar cranked up the music to a level well in excess of competing bars.

 

Obviously the result might be modified by other factors. A bar with gorgeous dancers such as Funny Boys might have to crank the volume up to 11 to get rid of customers.

Some of the more naff Sunee bars might lose their last customer if the volume knob goes up to 3.

[Gaybutton]

They aren't losing 50% of their customers. They are (maybe) losing 50% of the people on this board that voted in the poll.

And you don't think the poll is an accurate representation of how most customers feel about the music volume???? Great. Turn up the volume. Make the music as loud as it can get. In fact, get more speakers. Customers are going to love it. They're sure to flock right to those bars.

[Guest jomtien]

And you don't think the poll is an accurate representation of how most customers feel about the music volume???? Great. Turn up the volume. Make the music as loud as it can get. In fact, get more speakers. Customers are going to love it. They're sure to flock right to those bars.

 

 

No. I don't think the poll represents what most customers feel about the music level. I never said making it as loud as it can get is the way to go, however don't let that stop you from twisting and mis-stating an opinion that differs from yours!

[Guest jomtien]

The majority of the customers in gogo bars, especially Pattaya gogo bars are western males of a certain age. I believe that matches the profile of the people who participate in this forum.

Therefore it is likely the poll is a good representation of what would occur if a bar cranked up the music to a level well in excess of competing bars.

 

Obviously the result might be modified by other factors. A bar with gorgeous dancers such as Funny Boys might have to crank the volume up to 11 to get rid of customers.

Some of the more naff Sunee bars might lose their last customer if the volume knob goes up to 3.

 

 

The majority of customers in GAY gogo bars here are men 'of a certain age' as you cutely state. They probably do match the profile of those that post here, no problem. The problem for me is the nature of the poll. It was worded "loud music volume in bars", but once the discussion started people were posting about "well in excess of competing bars", "legal limits" and all sorts of things. I originally voted "I like the loud music" but deleted it after seeing that really wasn't the discussion.

[Bob]

You're the first falang that I've ever known to actually say you like the loud music! All of my falang buddies dislike it and it's a continuing topic to bitch about it (although it doesn't stop most of us from showing up once in a while).

 

So, poll or no poll, I'd guess that most falang would wish the bar owners would turn it down.

[Guest jomtien]

You're the first falang that I've ever known to actually say you like the loud music! All of my falang buddies dislike it and it's a continuing topic to bitch about it (although it doesn't stop most of us from showing up once in a while).

 

So, poll or no poll, I'd guess that most falang would wish the bar owners would turn it down.

 

I grew up in an era of great rock concerts. Even after I started liking classical music and opera, I preferred it loud. The Ride of the Valkyries deserves volume! So now that I'm an old fart I still like to bounce from the bass!

[Gaybutton]

I never said making it as loud as it can get is the way to go, however don't let that stop you from twisting and mis-stating an opinion that differs from yours!

Ok, I won't let it stop me, just as it doesn't stop you from disregarding results staring you right in the face. Noooooo, that poll can't really represent how most farang customers feel. No way. The reality is that these results represent the opinion of just a few people who happen to post here, but if we had a way to poll all the farang customers then the real results would surely be entirely different.

 

Bar owners, take note. Don't pay attention to these results. The best thing to do is disregard them.

[Guest jomtien]

Ok, I won't let it stop me, just as it doesn't stop you from disregarding results staring you right in the face. Noooooo, that poll can't really represent how most farang customers feel. No way. The reality is that these results represent the opinion of just a few people who happen to post here, but if we had a way to poll all the farang customers then the real results would surely be entirely different.

 

Bar owners, take note. Don't pay attention to these results. The best thing to do is disregard them.

 

 

Well there you go again. I never said anything like that. What I said was :

 

They aren't losing 50% of their customers. They are (maybe) losing 50% of the people on this board that voted in the poll.

 

There is a big difference.

 

I would never tell a business owner how to run his business. If you want to try and convince them that lowering their music will double their customers have at it!

[Gaybutton]

Well there you go again.

Thank you, Mr. Reagan . . .

 

If you want to try and convince them that lowering their music will double their customers have at it!

And I never said it would double their customers, but I'm definitely saying it will prevent them from losing a lot of customers. I'm saying that. So is the poll results.

 

And as long as we're twisting each other's words (but it's too loud) . . .

 

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