Googie

[Guest Patexpat]

As I haven't seen it posted anywhere, a short posting to say that Googie, of Googie's restaurant fame which was in Soi Day Night has recently passed away. Details are somewhat sketchy.

[PattayaMale]

I have heard this rumor, but I think caution of believing this is in order.

[Guest HeyGay]

I can confirm this is Not True, I spoke to a good friend of his tonight, in Ireland, who confirmed to me he is still very much alive and the person who was originally thought to be Googie and did die, was much younger. He is still living with his Boyfriend, I wont say where, for various reasons.

 

 

[Gaybutton]

I can confirm this is Not True

I'm glad to know that. I never got to know Googie. I wouldn't know him if he was sitting next to me, but it's always good to hear that someone is ok after all.

 

I heard the rumor about his death about two weeks ago, but I've learned my lesson about posting things I haven't personally confirmed. Assuming your information is accurate, I'm glad the rumor was false.

[PattayaMale]

I'm glad to know that. I never got to know Googie. I wouldn't know him if he was sitting next to me, but it's always good to hear that someone is ok after all.

 

I heard the rumor about his death about two weeks ago, but I've learned my lesson about posting things I haven't personally confirmed. Assuming your information is accurate, I'm glad the rumor was false.

 

He posts on Facebook.

[Guest Patexpat]

Well that would be good news .... the Irish Embassy was certainly tracking down some documentation of his on reports of his death ... but it sounds like a case of wrong identity .... ?

[Guest irish1972]

I am sorry to say that this has been confirmed to me as true. I did not know Googie personally but I know a number of people who did and I am sad to say the rumor is true.

[Guest HeyGay]

Sorry I only deal is facts, not hearsay, gossip and Rumor's........We have been hearing these Rumors for Months, Well I have it from his best friend in Ireland, he is very much alive, so can we have to source of your Information?

Then I can make further enquiries?

[Guest HeyGay]

Sorry I only deal is facts, not hearsay, gossip and Rumor's........We have been hearing these Rumors for Months, Well I have it from his best friend in Ireland, he is very much alive, so can we have to source of your Information?

Then I can make further enquiries?

 

I won't hold my breath?

[Guest irish1972]

Well, when this news was first posted here I, like you, rang a few people here in Ireland who would have known. They all denied it at that stage and you just pipped me with a post here to say it was not true.

 

Yesterday I received 3 calls and a mail telling me in fact it was true.

 

I will not be entering into further discussion on it, but please make your "enquiries". If you look at my posts here I am not into sensational posts or gossip myself. Suffice it to say I have it on pretty good authority.

[Gaybutton]

I will not be entering into further discussion on it, but please make your "enquiries". If you look at my posts here I am not into sensational posts or gossip myself. Suffice it to say I have it on pretty good authority.

I agree with HeyGay on this one. Anybody could come to this board and post "information" and telling us to "suffice it to say." Quite frankly, I don't see how we can "suffice it to say" because there is no sufficient evidence other than asking us to just take your word for it. We can't even know if whoever is telling you is someone credible.

 

I'm not saying you're information is incorrect and I'm not saying you are coming here to post rumor and gossip as if it were fact, but you have to understand that you have not posted here often enough to establish credibility. Nobody knows who you are. Nobody knows what your connection to Googie is. And now you are evading by saying you will not enter into further discussion and people need to inquire themselves.

 

If there is confirmation, where is it? A link to or copy of an obituary, a copy of a funeral schedule, or something to confirm. Telling us you received Emails and telephone calls does not confirm anything because we have no way of knowing the source of those or even if those ever took place at all.

 

Again, I am not saying you are incorrect or lying, and I know of no reason why you would come here and tell this to us if it is not true, but the fact is that without some sort of truly credible substantiation, from where I sit what you are telling us just doesn't qualify as having gone beyond the rumor stage.

 

What we have here is one person telling us Googie has died and he has heard that from friends. But we also have another person telling us Googie is alive and he has heard that from friends. Both of you are telling us what you heard, but neither of you can personally confirm. So, with no substantiation, what are we supposed to do, flip a coin?

[Guest irish1972]

Gaybutton, I have tried to PM and could not, please check the email account you posted on the topic about your old website.

[Guest jomtien]

I agree with HeyGay on this one. Anybody could come to this board and post "information" and telling us to "suffice it to say." Quite frankly, I don't see how we can "suffice it to say" because there is no sufficient evidence other than asking us to just take your word for it. We can't even know if whoever is telling you is someone credible.

 

. So, with no substantiation, what are we supposed to do, flip a coin?

 

 

No, what you are supposed to do is ' but please make your "enquiries".' as he said. His information is credible enough for him. Why should he get attacked for that?

[Guest irish1972]

Ok I said I would not enter a discussion but!, As I said in my original post, I too was told a number of weeks back that the rumour was not true.

 

I got further information yesterday and I have no reason to doubt it, I posted it because I thought people might want to know.

 

I will not provide the information I received as to do so would mean bringing peoples real name onto this forum and providing certain information which may explain the delay and the confusion surrounding this sad news. I am sorry but I am not willing to do either.

[Gaybutton]

No, what you are supposed to do is ' but please make your "enquiries".' as he said. His information is credible enough for him. Why should he get attacked for that?

You think I'm attacking him? When he, or anyone, posts this kind of information, then he should also post something by which to back it up. What somebody heard from somebody else, and that information directly conflicts with what someone else heard, then somebody is right and somebody is wrong, and information is precisely what we don't have and still don't have.

 

Whoever is posting are those responsible for making sure, not the people reading the post. If Googie is alive, then I don't think he would be particularly grateful to see that he's been crossed off the list on this board. Of course, if he is dead then maybe he won't complain.

[PattayaMale]

This morning I also received a message from a very close and connected Irish friend that confirmed his death.

 

It is unfortunate that this man had a knack of the unbelievable for a few of us so some of us had a hard time believing any rumor.

 

Now this is a case of forgive and forget. RIP....he did make good scrambled eggs and had a good sense of humor.

 

Maybe this is like being in heaven before the devil knows your dead. I liked Googie, Michael O'Brien

[Guest jomtien]

You think I'm attacking him? When he, or anyone, posts this kind of information, then he should also post something by which to back it up. What somebody heard from somebody else, and that information directly conflicts with what someone else heard, then somebody is right and somebody is wrong, and information is precisely what we don't have and still don't have.

 

Whoever is posting are those responsible for making sure, not the people reading the post. If Googie is alive, then I don't think he would be particularly grateful to see that he's been crossed off the list on this board. Of course, if he is dead then maybe he won't complain.

 

 

Why should he have to 'back it up'? He was stating what he heard from someone he considered reliable, and made it quite clear that people should 'make their own enquiries' if concerned. You then told him he has no credibility. Interesting to note that you are so upset you can make jokes about the (possible) death of someone.

[Guest rainwalker]

Does this mean that I won't be getting the money he borrowed from me back?

 

[Gaybutton]

You then told him he has no credibility.

No, I told him he hasn't posted here enough times to have established credibility. There's a big difference.

 

As for my little joke, the one you want to twist to make me appear insensitive, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't forget to give some thought to some of the really sensitive wisecracks you manage to come up with . . .

[Guest jomtien]

 

As for my little joke, the one you want to twist to make me appear insensitive, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't forget to give some thought to some of the really sensitive wisecracks you manage to come up with . . .

 

 

What exactly did I twist? All I did was quote you. As for you appearing insensitive, I believe on past threads you've bragged about your lack of compassion for people who commit suicide, so it isn't exactly a stretch.

[Gaybutton]

What exactly did I twist?

Oliver

 

I believe on past threads you've bragged about your lack of compassion for people who commit suicide, so it isn't exactly a stretch.

Bragged? I wouldn't call it that, but you are correct in that I have little or no sympathy for people who who throw themselves off the tops of buildings.

 

Not a stretch? Then where did all those stretch marks come from?

[Guest irish1972]

Jomtien thanks for the support.

 

I was going to comment on this topic back when it was first posted, I did not bother when i got conflicting reports and like others was told it was not true and HeyGay posted what I was going to say anyhow.

 

I spoke to GB via email and explained my reasons for not posting a link or proof. I like others am an incredibly private person and I choose well, I think, who, I say what to. GB does not need to agree with my reasons but he has respected them. I was a tad surprised to find GB siding with another poster who had no more or less proof than I and had not posted his source or proof but, Hey... let me tell you, that is, up to him...

 

I do not believe that GB was attacking me personally

 

With regard to my credibility, well a little research will show you that I am a member of this site, Sawatdee, Baht-stop and ting tong all under the same name and have been a member of some for at least 5 years, my membership with Sawatdee goes back to the days of the EZ board. Just because I don't post 100 times a day about the "latest scoop" or the mouth watering steak or the weather or any other number of mind numbing posts does not mean that my post is any less credible than anyone else.

[Gaybutton]

I was a tad surprised to find GB siding with another poster who had no more or less proof than I

I didn't mean to come across as siding with or taking a position against either of you. I don't even know Googie. I may have met him once, and that's it. I don't even remember what he looks like. I ate breakfast at his restaurant a grand total of once about three or four days after I first moved here, didn't like it, and never went back. If he's alive, I'm happy for him. If he's dead, I'm sorry for him.

 

The point I was trying to make is both of you were posting in total conflict with each other, each presenting that your source of information was Email from third parties. That's why I said flip a coin. At this moment I still really don't know for sure what his situation is and, on a personal level, since all he ever was to me was a name, if he has died I'm no more broken up about it than anyone would be if someone he met maybe once, years ago, has now passed on. I'm sorry if some people are upset with me because I'm not prostrate with anguish, but that's the way it is.

 

However, since you revealed that we had some Email of our own going back and forth, I will say you did show me evidence from a source I would consider credible and I also now know and understand why you do not wish to post your evidence here.

[Guest HeyGay]

Ok now I must take back my words, I have now managed to contact the family and Googie died of a massive heart attack 2 weeks ago.