Members unicorn Posted May 16 Members Posted May 16 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-gov-greg-abbott-pardons-daniel-perrry-army-sergeant-convicted-mu-rcna152661 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Garrett_Foster The prosecution revealed that Perry had made multiple posts and direct messages on social media expressing his desire to shoot Black Lives Matter protesters, writing in messages, "I might have to kill a few people on my way to work, they are rioting outside my apartment complex," and "I might go to Dallas to shoot looters." A friend of Perry's responded to him warning him of instigating protesters, stating, "We went through the same training ... Shooting after creating an event where you have to shoot, is not a good shoot." Perry had expressed his support for violence against protesters on at least three social media posts, suggesting in one post to "shoot center of mass" because "it is a bigger target", and in another stated, "Send [protesters] to Texas we will show them why we say you don’t mess with Texas." ... On April 13, 2023, a state district judge unsealed court records that revealed more anti-protester social media posts and racist messages made by Perry that the jury did not see or hear. Among these included Perry declaring "I am a racist," and comparing the Black Lives Matter movement to "monkeys" multiple times, and also as "animals at the zoo". He also stated in a text, "To [sic] bad we can't get paid for hunting Muslims in Europe." It was also revealed evidence obtained when Perry's phone was seized, where Perry searched on the Safari web browser "good chats to meet young girls on Kik", and had talked sexually with a 16-year-old girl on the app. Quote
EmmetK Posted May 17 Posted May 17 The pardon was issued only after the required investigation of the Board of Probation and Parole. Justice delayed is justice denied. He should never have gone to trial. Garrett Foster was an armed terrorist, not a protester. There’s a video clip of Foster saying he was there that night to start a confrontation with someone. Foster was looking for trouble and found it. When a person goes looking for trouble, he will generally find it in short order. Thank you Gov. Abbott. A message to the dirty unkept dems. Do not wave around an ”assault rifle” and expect the public to cower at your feet. You point. Texans shoot. This was clearly self defense from the beginning. Radical DA's need to be voted out. The hateful and violent leftist DA must not only be fired, but disbarred and criminally charged. It is an act of criminal violence to throw an innocent man in prison. Austin, TX. a leftist liberal sh_thole that as I recall either fired or half of its police force resigned because of just this kind of stupid crap. Gov Abbott needs to extend "Stand Your Ground" to insulate from prosecution all armed Texans who defend our border, state and country by taking out illegal invaders as they emerge from the Rio Grande. unicorn 1 Quote
Goober Posted May 17 Posted May 17 3 hours ago, EmmetK said: Foster was looking for trouble and found it. When a person goes looking for trouble, he will generally find it in short order. Like Kyle Rittenhouse? KeepItReal, JKane, Bingo T Dog and 1 other 2 2 Quote
Members unicorn Posted May 17 Author Members Posted May 17 8 hours ago, EmmetK said: The pardon was issued only after the required investigation of the Board of Probation and Parole... Well, since the members are all appointed by Governor Abbott, they're hardly independent, but rather a rubber-stamp group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Board_of_Pardons_and_Paroles "...In 1983, the Texas Constitution was amended to expand the BPP to six members, appointed by the governor, including naming a chairman, with the advice and consent of the state senate. The governor's authority to release and revoke offenders was transferred to the board..." https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/how-does-the-texas-board-of-pardons-and-paroles-decide-who-gets-pardoned/#:~:text=The Board consists of seven,consent of the Texas Senate. "...The Board consists of seven members appointed by the governor with the advice and consent of the Texas Senate...". Obviously, this Board is not in any way independent of the governor. stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members unicorn Posted May 17 Author Members Posted May 17 5 hours ago, Goober said: Like Kyle Rittenhouse? Actually quite the opposite. After careful examination of the evidence, a jury of 12 unanimously ruled that Perry committed murder, while the jury of 12 who actually went through the evidence of the Rittenhouse case unanimously cleared him. stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members unicorn Posted May 17 Author Members Posted May 17 8 hours ago, EmmetK said: ...Gov Abbott needs to extend "Stand Your Ground" to insulate from prosecution all armed Texans who defend our border, state and country by taking out illegal invaders as they emerge from the Rio Grande. You're suggesting it should be OK for citizens to shoot dead those who cross the border illegally? That's rather disgusting. stevenkesslar and Bingo T Dog 2 Quote
EmmetK Posted May 18 Posted May 18 16 hours ago, unicorn said: Well, since the members are all appointed by Governor Abbott, they're hardly independent, but rather a rubber-stamp group. All members of the Parole Board nominated by the Governor must be approved by the Texas Senate. If you want to change this, then Texans should either elect a Dem Governor or a Dem Senate. Quote
Members unicorn Posted May 18 Author Members Posted May 18 5 hours ago, EmmetK said: All members of the Parole Board nominated by the Governor must be approved by the Texas Senate. If you want to change this, then Texans should either elect a Dem Governor or a Dem Senate. The fact remains: the governor literally let an avowed racist get away with murder. There is zero legitimacy that his self-appointed cronies agreed with him. KeepItReal 1 Quote
EmmetK Posted May 18 Posted May 18 Daniel Perry is not "an avowed racist" Saying so does not make it so. Did you even bother reading the pardon proclamation of US Army Sargent Daniel Perry. A pardon that was reviewed AND approved by the Texas Parole Board? I'm guessing not. I'll throw you a lifeline here: "WHEREAS, on July 25, 2020, Daniel Scott Perry, while driving on a public road in Austin, slowed his vehicle as he rounded a corner onto Congress Avenue and encountered a group of protestors obstructing traffic; and WHEREAS, Daniel Scott Perry’s car was immediately surrounded by aggressive protestors who rushed to obstruct, strike, pound, smash, and kick his vehicle; and WHEREAS, Garrett Foster then approached within 18 inches of Daniel Scott Perry’s car, confronted him, and brandished a Kalashnikov-style rifle in the low-ready firing position; and WHEREAS, Daniel Scott Perry fired his handgun at Garrett Foster to eliminate a perceived threat to his safety and called law enforcement less than one minute later to inform them of the incident; and WHEREAS, Daniel Scott Perry explained to law enforcement at the time that he used his weapon because he feared losing his life and has since consistently stated that he acted in self-defense/" Daniel Perry was an innocent driver in a car that was set upon by a BLM mob of racist rioters. The racist mob surrounded his vehicle and kicked and smashed his vehicle. One of the mob approached Perry, coming 18 inches from him, brandished a Kalashnikov in a threatening manner. Good for Scott Perry that he was armed to defend himself from Foster. Pointing a gun at a person means you have intent. Never a good idea. Glad that Perry was pardoned but too bad he had to go through all of this. Garrett was reckless and got killed because he foolishly waved a gun around. Daniel Perry acted reasonably, responsibly, and intelligently. The BLM racist mob was neither reasonable, responsible, nor intelligent. Justice was served and the BLM agitator is six feet underground. Quote
xpaulo Posted May 18 Posted May 18 13 minutes ago, EmmetK said: Daniel Perry is not "an avowed racist" This is a passage above of texts from Perry's phone, Among these included Perry declaring "I am a racist," and comparing the Black Lives Matter movement to "monkeys" multiple times, and also as "animals at the zoo". He also stated in a text, "To [sic] bad we can't get paid for hunting Muslims in Europe." It was also revealed evidence obtained when Perry's phone was seized, How does that not make him an avowed racist? I have no patience for protesters of any kind who want to block other people from going where they want to go. But the evidence suggests he was looking for an opportunity to shoot people. unicorn and stevenkesslar 2 Quote
EmmetK Posted May 18 Posted May 18 24 minutes ago, xpaulo said: This is a passage above of texts from Perry's phone, Among these included Perry declaring "I am a racist," and comparing the Black Lives Matter movement to "monkeys" multiple times, and also as "animals at the zoo". He also stated in a text, "To [sic] bad we can't get paid for hunting Muslims in Europe." It was also revealed evidence obtained when Perry's phone was seized, How does that not make him an avowed racist? I have no patience for protesters of any kind who want to block other people from going where they want to go. But the evidence suggests he was looking for an opportunity to shoot people. At the trial, it was elicited that those statements, made to a friend, were said in jest. The radical leftists on this forum wouldn't understand that because it is a well known fact that the left wing has no sense of humor. There was NO evidence that he was looking to shoot people. He was a victim of a BLM mob who surrounded his vehicle, kicked it, smashed the windows, and frankly behaved like wild animals. You can choose the animals: i.e gorillas? wolves? pit bulls? This pardon was approved by an independent Parole Board. This pardon is RIGHTEOUS NULLIFICATION of an unjust indictment, criminal trial, and sentencing perpetrated/enabled by a corrupt Soros backed Travis County DA, a gullible progressive liberal Austin Democrat stacked grand jury and trial jury, and a bigoted/biased leftist trial court judge! God Bless Texas! unicorn and xpaulo 2 Quote
Members unicorn Posted May 19 Author Members Posted May 19 4 hours ago, EmmetK said: At the trial, it was elicited that those statements, made to a friend, were said in jest. The radical leftists on this forum wouldn't understand that because it is a well known fact that the left wing has no sense of humor. There was NO evidence that he was looking to shoot people. He was a victim of a BLM mob who surrounded his vehicle, kicked it, smashed the windows, and frankly behaved like wild animals. You can choose the animals: i.e gorillas? wolves? pit bulls? This pardon was approved by an independent Parole Board. This pardon is RIGHTEOUS NULLIFICATION of an unjust indictment, criminal trial, and sentencing perpetrated/enabled by a corrupt Soros backed Travis County DA, a gullible progressive liberal Austin Democrat stacked grand jury and trial jury, and a bigoted/biased leftist trial court judge! God Bless Texas! What extraordinary lies. He made multiple comments in multiple social media postings in which he declared himself a racist. They were not jokes, and you know it. You also know damned well that the parole board is in no way "independent." They are considered a branch of the executive government and consist entirely of members appointed by the governor himself (with no control on his appointees, since the Senate's approval is perfunctory when the Senate majority is the same party as the governor). https://www.ethics.state.tx.us/opinions/partI/079.html "The Board of Pardons and Paroles is in the executive branch of state government. Rose v. State, 752 S.W.2d 529, 534 (Tex. Crim. App. 1987)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Board_of_Pardons_and_Paroles#:~:text=In 1935%2C the Texas Constitution,authority subject to board recommendation. "In 1935, the Texas Constitution was amended to create the BPP as a member of the executive branch with constitutional authority, and making the governor's clemency authority subject to board recommendation." As you well know it's factually incorrect that they are "independent" of the governor. Also, as you know, neither side can "stack" a jury. Both sides are entitled to the same number of peremptory challenges (in California, it's 6 for misdemeanors and 10 for felonies--it looks as though it's 6 in Texas). https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Template.cfm?Section=articles&ContentID=60713&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm#:~:text=Number of Peremptory Challenges,three in the county court. "...Generally, each party is entitled to six peremptory challenges in a case tried in the district court and to three in the county court...". It's one thing to have a difference of opinion. However, you are making statements of fact which are incorrect--and you know it. xpaulo 1 Quote
EmmetK Posted May 19 Posted May 19 9 hours ago, unicorn said: What extraordinary lies. He made multiple comments in multiple social media postings in which he declared himself a racist. They were not jokes, and you know it. You also know damned well that the parole board is in no way "independent." They are considered a branch of the executive government and consist entirely of members appointed by the governor himself (with no control on his appointees, since the Senate's approval is perfunctory when the Senate majority is the same party as the governor). Simply because you call something a lie, doesn't make it so. Every member of the Texas Parole Board was confirmed by the Texas Senate. Just like every member of the federal Parole Board and like every US Judge (District court, Circuit court, Supreme Court). If they weren't qualified, they wouldn't have been conformed. Period. End of story. You can't stomach the fact that Texas isn't Portland, NY, San Francisco, Atlanta, Chicago, etc. In Texas, they didn't let the BLM rioters run wild, loot, commit acts of violence without consequences. Blocking public access to roads or property makes any "protest" doing it an ILLEGAL protest unless they obtained a special permit [to "parade" or the like] in advance. So they were already engaged in criminal acts even if they HAD been peaceful---which they were not. They terrorized....like the terrorists they were..and still are. Perry was convicted because the Travis County D.A. is a 'woke', pencil-necked, girly-man runt that believes he is destined for higher office, and will use this wrongful prosecution and conviction to bolster his resume. This was a righteous shooting. Governor Abbott did the right thing. BLM and Antifa better realize there will not be another summer of terror, looting rioting, and mob violence. It's not a threat it's a promise. Justice was served. Thank you Governor Abbott. Quote
Goober Posted May 19 Posted May 19 On 5/17/2024 at 4:03 PM, unicorn said: Actually quite the opposite. After careful examination of the evidence, a jury of 12 unanimously ruled that Perry committed murder, while the jury of 12 who actually went through the evidence of the Rittenhouse case unanimously cleared him. That the prosecution was unable to convince the jury that Rittenhouse was guilty of murder is a totally separate situation than Rittenhouse choosing to participate in vigilantism. I think the verdict was probably correct, but it doesn't change the fact that Rittenhouse killed two people. This is a defining factor he'll have to live with for the rest of his life. I imagine he'll face life challenges similar to those faced by Lizzie Borden, OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony. Quote
Members unicorn Posted May 19 Author Members Posted May 19 4 hours ago, Goober said: That the prosecution was unable to convince the jury that Rittenhouse was guilty of murder is a totally separate situation than Rittenhouse choosing to participate in vigilantism. I think the verdict was probably correct, but it doesn't change the fact that Rittenhouse killed two people. This is a defining factor he'll have to live with for the rest of his life. I imagine he'll face life challenges similar to those faced by Lizzie Borden, OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony. You are probably right that Rittenhouse will have "life challenges." The huge difference between the two cases was that Rittenhouse was literally chased and attacked, whereas Perry was not. I stay clear of emotional demonstrations, since there a lot of hotheads, and things can get violent pretty quickly. Violence begets violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Rittenhouse "...After a man chased Rittenhouse into a parking lot and grabbed the barrel of his rifle, the youth fatally shot him. His name was Joseph Rosenbaum. Rittenhouse fled and was pursued by a crowd. He fatally shot a second man, Anthony Huber, after the man struck Rittenhouse with a skateboard and tried to grab his rifle. Gaige Grosskreutz also approached Rittenhouse, armed with a Glock pointed at him, but Rittenhouse shot and wounded him first..". Quote
Members unicorn Posted May 19 Author Members Posted May 19 8 hours ago, EmmetK said: ... the Travis County D.A. is a 'woke', pencil-necked, girly-man runt... Name-calling is childish, invoked by people who can't win a rational argument. The DA's masculinity and appearance are obviously irrelevant to the facts in the case. The jury spent weeks hearing evidence and deliberating over the facts of the case and the law (including one week in deliberations alone). They unanimously determined that the law was broken. The governor was simply scoring political points in a solidly red state at the expense of the law and justice. He can't make it legal to murder for racist reasons, since this would violate the US Constitution. So he just nullifies murder laws with the stroke of a pen. stevenkesslar and xpaulo 2 Quote
EmmetK Posted May 19 Posted May 19 Just to repeat, this case was thoroughly reviewed by the Texas Parole Board who approved of the pardon. This verdict is EXACTLY the reason that Governors of most states and US Presidents are given the powers of pardons. A verdict by an out-of-control jury that either didn't follow the law or didn't understand is grounds for a pardon. The Texas Parole Board agreed. Case closed. Quote