Moses Posted June 26 Posted June 26 By the way, guys, do you know what now situation is going more and more close to best variant for Russia? Popularity of Dems may make House with Dems majority, Senate - maybe will be also in hands of Dems and president will be from Resp. It is best situation for Russia - govt what makes decision by months and years like with supply Ukraine with weapon - from end of summer 2023 till middle of spring 2024. American parliament and president are busy in fight, what may be better for Russia? Quote
RockyRoadTravel Posted June 27 Posted June 27 2 hours ago, Moses said: By the way, guys, do you know what now situation is going more and more close to best variant for Russia? Popularity of Dems may make House with Dems majority, Senate - maybe will be also in hands of Dems and president will be from Resp. It is best situation for Russia - govt what makes decision by months and years like with supply Ukraine with weapon - from end of summer 2023 till middle of spring 2024. American parliament and president are busy in fight, what may be better for Russia? True. Trump is under Putin's control. stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Goober Posted June 27 Posted June 27 Biden should ask Von SutzInPantz "Where's Melania? Why won't she join her husband in his campaign? Is she holding out for more money in her prenup?" Quote
RockyRoadTravel Posted June 27 Posted June 27 Question. Will the defeated former President try and preempt being a no show for the debate with an announcement about his VP pick? In between whining about the debate rules he agreed as suddenly "rigged". I'd like to be wrong on this. Quote
Moses Posted June 27 Posted June 27 8 hours ago, RockyRoadTravel said: Trump is under Putin's control. Putin already told twice, what he prefers Biden - he is much more predictable. stevenkesslar 1 Quote
RockyRoadTravel Posted June 27 Posted June 27 9 hours ago, Moses said: Putin already told twice, what he prefers Biden - he is much more predictable. Unfortunately, it seems that Trump is trying to be a contestant on Putin's re-casting of The Apprentice, which should frighten any gay man in particular, and those who believe in representative democracy in general. Stable Genius and vinapu 2 Quote
Bingo T Dog Posted June 27 Posted June 27 The podiums are 8 feet apart. I hope they use a butt plug on Trump so he doesn't kill Biden with his farting. Quote
Bingo T Dog Posted June 27 Posted June 27 Reagan let the AIDS virus kill. Trump let the Covid virus kill. Both promised to Make America Great Again. Stable Genius 1 Quote
Bingo T Dog Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Melania is not at the debates. Guess they couldn't afford her. Stable Genius 1 Quote
vinapu Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Just watched debate and it was depressing sight. How America managed to put herself in such situation when it need to chose between bombastic idiot unable to answer simple questions and hard to understand senior , visibly frail whose election may be considered senior abuse ? God save America from herself ! Stable Genius, Bingo T Dog, stevenkesslar and 1 other 4 Quote
vinapu Posted June 28 Posted June 28 On 6/26/2024 at 6:02 PM, Moses said: American parliament and president are busy in fight, what may be better for Russia? gas explosion in central Moscow? Quote
reader Posted June 28 Posted June 28 I’m of two—perhaps three—minds about this. First, the Dems have had two years to anticipate this and failed to act. I recall posting a year or more ago that the only person who can defeat an ex-president is another ex-president: Obama. Still feel that way today. Second, the race will still be decided by the yet undecided voters. They didn’t get any incentive last night in either direction. One candidate is failing and the other a cowardly liar. Third, the worst outcome for the Dems—all American, really—is that more undecideds in battleground states will stay away and not vote at all. Handing the election to Trump is reminiscent of Hitler being named chancellor of Germany in 1933. It indeed could happen. No since the Civil War has America confronted such a political crisis. Unless something dramatic changes in the weeks before the convention, there could be no way out. stevenkesslar and vinapu 2 Quote
a-447 Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Those Democrat "insiders" appear to have been lying all along by insisting that Biden was as sharp as a tack. Today the true situation was on full display. Staring blankly at the camera with his mouth open just made him look old and lost. By comparison, Trump appeared full of life and invigorated. If Biden is this bumbling and incoherent now, what will be be like in 4 years time? The fact that Trump lied his way through the debate and refused to answer questions put to him multiple times has been completely overshadowed by Biden's poor performance. They will have to find a new candidate. vinapu 1 Quote
EmmetK Posted June 28 Posted June 28 It is senile dementia made worse by the cocktail of drugs they are experimenting on him with. It really is a disgrace and embarrassment. I thought his original freeze was going to turn into a stroke as the way to pull him out. It was actually quite sad. Many people have friends and family with dementia. At one point, Biden said he spoke to dead soldiers on his recent visit to Normandy. He confused WWI with WWII. He referred to his deceased son Beau as having died in Iraq, when everyone knows he died from brain cancer. I could go on..... Quote
reader Posted June 29 Posted June 29 19 hours ago, reader said: I recall posting a year or more ago that the only person who can defeat an ex-president is another ex-president: Obama. Sadly, Obama is prevented from running because he has already served two terms. Damn, he could destroy Trump in a one-on-one. Quote
EmmetK Posted June 30 Posted June 30 Another democrat leaning newspaper calls on Dementia Joe to quit the race. First, the NY Times, now the Atlanta-Journal Constitution. Both are left-wing mouthpieces for the democrat party. It’s time for Biden to pass the torch AJC Editorial Board: To defeat Trump and for the good of the nation, the president must bow out of the race: "Throughout the excruciating 90-minute forum Thursday night, the president failed to convey a competent and coherent vision for the future of America. He failed to outline the most fundamental aspects of his platform." "President Biden’s surrogates attempted to brush off the debate performance. Aides claimed he had a cold. Vice President Kamala Harris argued the leader of the free world should be evaluated on the totality of his presidency, not one night. Former President Barack Obama took to social media and said, “Bad debate nights happen.” These responses are insulting to the American people. This wasn’t a bad night; it was confirmation of the worst fears of some of Biden’s most ardent supporters — that after 36 years in the U.S. Senate, eight more as vice president and a term in the White House, age has finally caught up to him." TRUMP 2024 MAGA Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted July 1 Members Posted July 1 If someone is to blame for this, I blame the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primary. It was obvious then he was old. That said, it was also obvious the #2 choice, Sanders, was also quite old. Anyone who thought it through could have predicted that almost every President runs for a second term. And the few who can but don't (Truman in 1952) or who quit (LBJ in 1968) usually help bring about defeat for their party. All of this was an argument for nominating someone like Harris or Buttigieg in 2020, so we had a younger incumbent in 2024. We didn't do that. So the circling of wagons around Biden now makes sense. Just like the circling of wagons around another old man, Trump, does for Team MAGA. Oh well. It's not a shocker that in 2020 people were more focused on beating Trump in 2020 than gaming out 2024. So, really, no one is to blame. Speaking of beating Trump, what the media bed wetters seem to ignore is that the magic bullet they want simply does not exist. A post-debate poll showed both Biden or Harris losing to Trump by 3 points (48 to 45). But every other potential candidate (Whitmer, Newsom, Pritzker, Shapiro) also loses to Trump by 2 to 3 points. So the argument is we should dump Biden and Harris, who have a massive campaign infrastructure in place, and replace them with someone who has no campaign infrastructure and is no more popular than Biden or Harris. Huh? There's a reason why the media bed wetters are media bed wetters, and not campaign strategists. Should Democrats replace Biden? Hear what historian thinks There's my buddy Allan Lichtman saying that the debate will have "zero" impact on the outcome. Just like Romney thrashing Obama by an even larger percentage in the first 2012 debate had "zero" impact on Obama winning. I think he is right. What's obvious is that Democrats are facing headwinds in keeping the White House in 2024. All year long polls have shown that is true regardless of who we nominate. I think we can mostly thank post-COVID global inflation for that. Almost every incumbent party (AMLO being a huge exception) in democracies across the world are facing the same problem. But it makes common sense that having an incumbent who got a lot of stuff done, and avoiding a party bloodbath, are probably wise ideas. The media bed wetters don't seem to get this. They seem to just want drama. What the bed wetters also don't seem to get is that all roads that involve dumping Biden lead to Kamala Harris. That poll I cited above says in a primary Harris would beat her closest opponent, Newsom, 2 to 1. Trashing a Black female Veep for a White male invites civil war among Democrats that would make the current bed wetting, or the bitter feelings between Clintonites and Sandernistas in 2016, look like child's play. If Democrats want to win in 2024, and they don't want Biden, they have to embrace Harris. The idea that we instead go in a smoke filled room and a rich White guy like Newsom or Pritzker somehow emerges makes no sense. It makes Democrats look like authoritarians. All that said, if the powers that be really have the power to dump Biden against his will, I would be very excited about a Harris/Whitmer ticket. Two strong women running against Trump would be energizing in exactly the way Biden is not. Whitmer on the ballot would help lock down Michigan, and probably other Midwest swing states as well. The way to do it would be for Biden to simply resign "for the good of the country" and let Harris run as an incumbent. I am not sure if that would meet Lichtman's incumbency key. But if Harris were suddenly President and Biden released all his delegates to her at the convention, it would avoid the party bloodbath that an open convention would invite. Quote If Biden is this bumbling and incoherent now, what will he be like in 4 years time? That is the best argument for dumping BOTH Biden and Trump now. Both are old men. And voters have good reason to think neither will be fit to govern in 2028. At age 82 in Jan 2025, Biden would have an over 1 in 3 probability of dying in office. At 78, Trump would have over a 1 in 4 chance. They would go into second terms with life expectancies of 7 and 8 more years, respectively. Kamala Harris would have a life expectancy of 24 more years. Biden resigning would immediately reverse the dynamic and make Trump the crazy old guy, while allowing both Harris and Biden to defend a good four year track record. The chances of Biden deciding to do this under pressure seem to be about 1 in 10, at best. To end where I started, the smart way to prevent this current bedwetting would have been to nominate Harris, or anyone younger, in 2020. Democrats did not do that. But just like in 2020 I think we have several good options to keep Trump from winning a second term. Lichtman's reading of his own Keys, which have been right every time since 1984, suggest either a President Biden or a President Harris would be likely to win in November. Quote
Moses Posted July 2 Posted July 2 21 hours ago, stevenkesslar said: President Harris Placeholder. A weather vane without her own opinion - where the wind blows, she looks there. The only job she can make good - to keep Oval cabinet in Dems hands... Quote
EmmetK Posted July 2 Posted July 2 2 hours ago, Moses said: Placeholder. A weather vane without her own opinion - where the wind blows, she looks there. The only job she can make good - to keep Oval cabinet in Dems hands... After her embarrassing appearance on the BET Award show, it is highly doubtful the dems would place Kamala at the top of the ticket. The human cackle machine is one of the few dems even less popular than Dementia Joe. The problem is that if they put up a white male to replace Old Joe, the far-left, DEI-loving, uber-woke segment of the party will revolt if Kamala, the half-Jamaican, half Indian, was replaced by another white guy. Quite the conundrum. Maybe they could replace Dementia Joe with Elizabeth Warren? She's a native American, even though the blonde, blue-eyed Warren doesn't look the part. But we know it to be true because her granny told her so! TRUMP 2024 MAGA stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted July 2 Members Posted July 2 3 hours ago, Moses said: The only job she can make good - to keep Oval cabinet in Dems hands... Exactly! Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted July 2 Members Posted July 2 2 hours ago, EmmetK said: The human cackle machine is one of the few dems even less popular than Dementia Joe. The AI blowhard is probably not AI. If @EmmetK were an AI creation, he would be able to get facts right. But the real @EmmetK is completely incapable of making factually correct statements. All he can do is insult and say things that are factually incorrect. Factually Wrong @EmmetK just drinks that MAGA KoolAid and believes whatever lies the ex-Felon In Chief spouts. In this post-debate poll, Harris is now seen as significantly stronger than Biden, and more fit to lead the country. What is stunning and sad is that in the new Harris poll Trump beat Biden on EVERY one of 10 debate performance measures: Trump seemed more Presidential. Trump seemed more electable. Trump was a better communicator. Trump had better policy ideas. Trump knew the issues better. This is victory by default, since Biden was incapable of prosecuting the case against Trump. If a lie is not challenged, it becomes the truth. The good news is that in that new Harris poll, Trump leads by ONLY 4 points. The Harris poll has been one of the most consistently pro-Trump polls all year, and usually shows Trump doing a few points better than the RCP average of polls. So it makes two things very clear: 1. The race is close, and either side could win. 2. The biggest drag on Democrats and Biden in particular are concerns about the economy and inflation. To win, Democrats need to win the argument about how they want to grow the economy for the middle and working class - not the rich guys like Trump who want more Republican tax cuts to billionaires. That's the other post-debate poll that Factually Wrong @EmmetK doesn't care to be bothered with. Harris is just as strong, or weak, as Biden in the horse race polls. There is no magic bullet. The main reason it makes no sense to even seriously consider any race on that list other than the top two - Biden OR Harris against Trump - is that any other candidate would have to start raising money and building a campaign from scratch. The only person that could take over the Biden/Harris campaign - and Presidency - if Biden were to drop out or resign is Vice President Harris. It would be political suicide for Democrats to pick someone else who polls no better and has to start from scratch. Not to mention the massive intraparty bloodbath overlooking Kamala Harris would unleash. The good news in this to me is that MAGA is led by an unpopular cult leader who about half of America sees as a criminal and unfit lying narcissist. The Democrats are not a cult. They are a mostly well organized team that had many significant achievements in the last four years. Most of which Joe Biden personally fathered. And many of which required some bipartisan deals on infrastructure or gun control or LGBTQ rights (legal same sex marriage), to name three of many examples. Meanwhile, Republicans want to wage a holy war against the uterus and the most vulnerable members of the LGBTQ community. There was supposed to be a bloodbath when Nancy Pelosi resigned and the various progressive and centrist Democratic factions went to war. Instead, there was unity and a calm and professional transition. There was supposed to be a bloodbath when Joe Biden announced last year he would not run again., Media bed wetters kept saying the knives would come out and Team Harris and Team Newsom and Team Whitmer would start attacking each other. Never happened. If the Joe Biden of 2024 were even the Joe Biden of 2022, let alone 2012, this debate would not be happening. However it is resolved, party leaders know the last thing Democrats need is a bloodbath. And the first thing they need is unity. David Axelrod said on CNN right after Biden's miserable debate that Republicans better be careful what they wish for. Because if they get their wish, and Biden steps aside, that probably won't work well for Republicans, he said. He's right. If the problem to be solved is that we have an old leader who is unpopular, particularly among Blacks and minorities and young voters that Democrats need to win, replacing that leader with a younger Black and Asian American woman who is a prosecutor by training is one logical solution. If all the powers that be - Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, donors - decide Biden simply has to go, I would bet money they will tell him he has to resign and let Kamala run as the incumbent President. That is extremely unlikely to happen, because Biden will say no. But if the next month or two shows a continuously floundering Biden who is incapable of prosecuting the case against Trump, it may be the best solution to Biden's growing age problem. Quote
EmmetK Posted July 3 Posted July 3 More debate fallout. NY Times/Siena poll has the race Trump +6. If the left-wing mouthpiece for the democrat party has the race at Trump +6, it's probably double that. Maybe even triple. Trump Widens Lead After Biden’s Debate Debacle, Times/Siena Poll Finds https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/poll-debate-biden-trump.html Trump 2024 MAGA stevenkesslar 1 Quote
