SuneePlaza.info

[Gaybutton]

So I'll keep away for a while until it's clearer to me whats going on..

I don't think you have to worry about police raids, especially if you are sticking to the beer bars. Even when the police do raid, they don't seem to hassle the customers. They simply ask the customers to leave.

 

That's not the issue. Whatever the problem is, the police are not bothering the customers. Nothing I've heard indicates any danger to customers. The only thing the customers have to worry about is remembering to make sure any boy they take off is at least 18 years old.

 

Your post is exactly what I was afraid of, that this nonsense would needlessly start scaring people away from Sunee Plaza. While I understand Oogleman's position, I think it was a mistake to write posts saying this or that is now verboten. In hindsight, I think it would have been better to simply contact board owners and moderators, explain the situation, and ask for cooperation. Very few of the kinds of posts he is talking about ever appear in the first place and boards such as this one don't allow them anyway.

 

I had a feeling this would all end up getting blown way out of proportion, and that's what I see starting to happen. I have heard no reports of anything being out of the ordinary for customers. If there was any reason for customers to avoid Sunee Plaza I would have heard by now and believe me I would have made it known on this board.

 

There is no reason for customers to fear and no reason to avoid Sunee Plaza.

[Guest Doug]

Okay. I guess the time is right to partially reveal why developments in Sunee Plaza have been hush hush. I still can't reveal names because some of the owners are holding out however you can know this.

 

The plaza and the surrounding area has been bought out by the mega corporation whose logo is a humanized rodent with big ears. They are planning to build Thailand's first major adventure theme park. Their marketing executive believe that children are already attracted to the area guaranteeing success. Currently they are soliciting ideas of rides and theme pavilions that would appeal to the Thai people.

[Gaybutton]

The plaza and the surrounding area has been bought out by the mega corporation whose logo is a humanized rodent with big ears.

And all this time I thought it was already so . . .

 

"Can you imagine that? Are people really this fuckin' stupid? They've got this whole country celebrating the 50th anniversary of an imaginary rodent."

- George Carlin

[Guest]

Make Lemon Glaze- mix powdered sugar and lemon juice together.

 

When cake is cooled, dribble with Lemon Glaze.

 

There is more to the recipe than that my dear. I'll bring my family secret recipe over when I come.

 

 

There is no reason for customers to fear and no reason to avoid Sunee Plaza.

Don't take underage boys. Take your passport with you. Mind your own business and you will be fine!

 

I don't see any reason for someone to stay out of the Plaza. On the contrary, I think people need to go to support the businesses there. There is NO reason to avoid the area!

 

Okay. I guess the time is right to partially reveal why developments in Sunee Plaza have been hush hush. I still can't reveal names because some of the owners are holding out however you can know this.

 

Dammit. I was in NYC when they did that too and I hated Times Square after they got it. All the gogo's closes. All the movie theaters (XXX) left. It is now a boring dried up city.

 

 

 

OK. Guys. We are not holding anything back from anyone. If you read this thread, you can see the issues. There are police that are giving owners hard times. There was a death in the area. There are constant issues with crackdowns. Being in LOS for a while, it is not anything we have not seen before. The only exception this time is that the gay boards are getting blamed for the mess. I dispute that assumption.

[KhorTose]

OK. Guys. We are not holding anything back from anyone. If you read this thread, you can see the issues. There are police that are giving owners hard times. There was a death in the area. There are constant issues with crackdowns. Being in LOS for a while, it is not anything we have not seen before. The only exception this time is that the gay boards are getting blamed for the mess. I dispute that assumption.

 

Sorry guys, but one nice thing about living in Chiang Mai is that I do not have to care that much about what happens in Sunee Plaza. All I can say is that it is a far better and cleaner place now then it was 6 years ago, and I hope whatever is going on contributes to the trend of cleaning the place up. Don't get me wrong, Chiang Mai has some shady enterprises too, but we do do our best to shut them down.

 

 

I do agree with the principle of shutting offending bars down.

However:

1 It is not difficult to establish which bars are the worst offenders. Some of these have apparently been raided by the law enforcement agencies, yet remain open. Considering that, a few more posts here aren't going to make much difference.

Or do you have some idea to make things happen?

Bear in mind if some "bad bar" is identified, maybe 90% of us would probably avoid it and the other 10% would go straight there on their next trip.

 

I could not agree more with Z909. This is probably the best reason for censorship. Tell the cops, or the NGOs or foreign enforcement organizations. The last thing these places need is advertisement.

[Gaybutton]

the gay boards are getting blamed for the mess. I dispute that assumption.

So do I. It would be very difficult to convince me that one message posted on one board by one person was the catalyst solely responsible for instigating the stupidity presently occurring. But whatever nonsense is going on, it has no effect on customers patronizing Sunee Plaza. I don't go to the bars very often, but I have plenty of friends who are in the bars every day. Believe me, if there was any reason to avoid Sunee Plaza I would know about it and I would be the first one to post about it.

 

Sunee Plaza is just fine. There is no bar at which a customer needs to have any fears at all. Even if you find yourself in a bar at which the boys are under-age, that's not your problem unless you take an under-age boy off for sex. There are no laws or regulations that prohibit customers from being in a bar and watching the dancers. You have no involvement of any kind simply by being there. That's a problem between the bar owners and the police. It's their problem, not yours. It's never been the customers' problem and it still isn't.

 

You can safely go to any bar you want. Again, the only issue that concerns customers is making sure that a boy you intend to take off is at least 18 years old.

 

I'm also a little annoyed that everyone is forming opinions and posting except any of the bar owners. I know damned well that several bar owners follow these boards. Quite frankly I'm growing tired of ending up placed in a position in which the boards somehow become responsible for dealing with the problems, intrigues, and concerns of bar owners.

 

You want our business? Good. This board and I personally have always been happy to promote your business in any appropriate way we can, free of charge. How about some of the bar owners doing something to attract our business, such as offering your customers incentives to come to your bar? Try happy hour prices, contests or raffles for a free off, coming up with a bar show that isn't the same damned thing done by every other bar, giving us a reasonable music volume level, comfortable furniture, spotlessly clean restrooms, and I think most important, get your dancers to actually be entertaining instead of just standing there like zombies staring at themselves in the mirrors, paying little or no attention to the customers, and doing nothing but the "one-knee shuffle."

 

And while we're at it, get rid of those damned pushy mama-sans and overly aggressive street touts. You want to know why you never see me in your bar? That's why. I'm not about to patronize a bar at which your street touts block my path or physically grab me and try to get me to go into your bar. I'm also not about to patronize a bar at which your pushy mama-sans sit next to me uninvited and start trying to get me to select a boy to sit with me, buy him drinks, buy drinks for the mama-san, and then start trying to get me to give the mama-san a tip. I'll choose a boy myself, thank you very much, and I'll tip your mama-san if and when I think it's appropriate.

 

These same complaints have been posted on the boards for years. Well, how about finally doing something about them and start listening to your customers, giving them what they want? Then you'll have all the business you can handle.

[Guest Astrrro]

I don't think you have to worry about police raids, especially if you are sticking to the beer bars. Even when the police do raid, they don't seem to hassle the customers. They simply ask the customers to leave.

 

That's not the issue. Whatever the problem is, the police are not bothering the customers.

 

I was caught up in one raid, and they couldn't care less about the customers. We had just paid our bin about a minute before the raid. If we hadn't, there would have been no one to pay. Except for one or two dancers, everyone - mama-sans, waitstaff, boys, scampered out the back about 5 seconds before the raid. That doesn't mean, they were underage, an alien, or unable to pass a piss test, but rather no one wants to be the scapegoat.

 

The question is "whether things are different this time"? Probably not. But if things are different this time, I don't need the hassle. SuneePlazaInfo going offline suggests that perhaps, maybe, this time is different. The silence of all the bar owners on the forums suggests that maybe this time is different. If those in the know are wary, maybe I should be too?

 

Again, 99% chance everything is OK for customers, but who needs hassles especially since a huge majority of farangs do not carry their passport with them when going out.

 

There are 8000 bars where I can have a beer in Pattaya, after all.

[Gaybutton]

SuneePlazaInfo going offline suggests that perhaps, maybe, this time is different.

 

a huge majority of farangs do not carry their passport with them when going out.

Maybe, but that is only speculation. It is my understanding that their going offline has more to do with a change in format, although I admit it does seem coincidental that they would pick now to go offline without any kind of prior announcement.

 

According to Thai law, all farang must have his passport on his person at all times. The police know that few people carry their actual passport. A copy is almost always acceptable and there is no reason to think it is any different now.

 

If you prefer not to go to Sunee Plaza, then don't go, but I see no reason to try to convince people to avoid Sunee Plaza. Again, this whole thing has been blown so far out of proportion that the word 'ridiculous' isn't even an adequate description.

[Guest Astrrro]

I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything.

 

Just posting my thoughts. The secrecy around all this on most forums just seems strange, that's all.

[Guest]

I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything.

 

Just posting my thoughts. The secrecy around all this on most forums just seems strange, that's all.

 

Strange is an understatement!

[Guest gwm4sian]

There are no laws or regulations that prohibit customers from being in a bar and watching the dancers. You have no involvement of any kind simply by being there.

 

Sorry, but I have to take issue with that statement.

 

 

There is a little known law on the statute books in Thailand ( or should I say a little known part of a law) that makes it an offence to congregate in a prostitution establishment.

 

I will happily accept that, up until now, I know of no cases where this law has been enforced.

 

However, that could all change in the blink of an eye or at the opportunistic whim of some greedy official.

 

Of course, it could be that all these bars are not prostitution establishments. If that is the case then why are so many bar owners being extorted for more and more tea money? Why are there stories of bar owners being scared, hiding, selling up, closing web sites? As you say, why aren't the bar owners posting here?

[Guest]

Why are there stories of bar owners being scared, hiding, selling up, closing web sites? As you say, why aren't the bar owners posting here?

 

I only know of one bar owner who actively posts. There are many that read but only one that I know of that posts with a name that links him to his bar. Are there others I am not aware?

[Gaybutton]

Strange is an understatement!

Bingo! Nothing has visibly changed at all. This whole thing ought to go down in history as one of the most bizarre occurrences ever experienced around here.

[Gaybutton]

As you say, why aren't the bar owners posting here?

You'll have to ask them that question. The law you quote specifies a prostitution establishment. While many think that's just what these bars are, so far that is based on personal opinion and until the powers-that-be in Thailand take the same view legally, then personal opinions are irrelevant.

 

Once again, a law is not a law unless it is enforced.

 

"John Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it."

- Andrew Jackson, President of the United States (John Marshall - Chief Justice of the Supreme Court) - 1832

[kokopelli]

Bingo! Nothing has visibly changed at all. This whole thing ought to go down in history as one of the most bizarre occurrences ever experienced around here.

 

Same as the Titanic, no visible damage except to those down below. And she did go down as one of the most bizarre occurrences in history.

 

[Guest lvdkeyes]

There is more to the recipe than that my dear. I'll bring my family secret recipe over when I come.

There is nothing more to a lemon glaze than powdered sugar and lemon juice.

[Guest fountainhall]

There is a little known law on the statute books in Thailand ( or should I say a little known part of a law) that makes it an offence to congregate in a prostitution establishment

As I pointed out on another post, bars are not basically places of prostitution. This implies that money changes hands for sex. The bars only charge an 'off' fee because the barboy is an employee whose services the bar is denied for a while. What follows between the boys (and girls) and the 'client' is in theory nothing to do with the bar. Any sex involves no fee - merely a tip at the end of whatever goes on between them.

 

On the other hand, saunas where you choose your masseur (rather than having one allocated to you) and which mandate minimum tips are, perhaps, skirting a little closer to violation of the law.

[Guest fountainhall]

Sorry, I wrote the above before reading the What is a House of Prostitution thread.