German former Hotel owner found dead in his Jomtien home

[Guest joseph44]

On Sunday Night, Police Lieutenant Colonel Tailert from Dongtan Police Sub-Station, located on Jomtien Beach, was called to a house in Jomtien which was known to be rented by Mr. Ernst-Joachim Otto Pape aged 60 from Germany by the mans adopted son, Khun Manat aged 23 who discovered the body of Mr. Pape in the living room. He was hanging from a steel door frame. A plastic bag was placed over his head and tied tightly around his neck. Due to the suspicious circumstances, a forensic doctor was called to the scene and confirmed he had been dead for about 2 days. It was known that Mr. Pape was the part-owner of the Marina Inn Plaza Hotel located in Soi Yensabai, South Pattaya, however financial problems resulted in him declaring bankruptcy and the hotel was handed over to the other partner. Police have recorded the death as suspicious and the forensic doctor confirms that foul play may be involved, however he did state that the victim could have placed the bag over his head, seconds before hanging himself. The investigation continues.

 

(PattayaOne.net 8-2-2010)

 

R.I.P.

[Guest fountainhall]

He was hanging from a steel door frame. A plastic bag was placed over his head and tied tightly around his neck

Oh dear! Another hotel owner passing away so soon after the owner of the Lavender Lanna in Chiang Mai. It's perhaps not the right time to speculate, but given the published description it's surely not unnatural to think that this could be one of those cases of auto-eroticism (is that the right phrase?), especially with there being a plastic bag involved.

[Gaybutton]

this could be one of those cases of auto-eroticism (is that the right phrase?), especially with there being a plastic bag involved.

If it was, it worked great, didn't it?

[Guest fountainhall]

If it was, it worked great, didn't it?

Too well!

[Bob]

Sounds to me like one of those "orange-peeling" deals. ("Your honor, honest to god, I was just standing on the corner peeling my orange when this guy backed around the corner into my knife six times"...).

 

Given it was a 60-year-old guy, it's a bit difficult for me to believe he was in the middle of sin city and into the auto-eroticism bit. But, who the hell knows.

 

And, presuming your were going to kill yourself by hanging (not a chance!), what the hell would be the deal with the plastic bag?

[Guest Mark7711]

Rest in peace Thomas Mark and John.

And for the comments above you should be ashamed of your self

[Guest fountainhall]

And for the comments above you should be ashamed of your self

[Guest Mark7711]

For those that did not know Thomas he was 60 years old he had worked at the mentioned hotel for 5 years as the manager 3 under Peter and just under 2 with the last Thai owner of the hotel he held a nominal 10% share in the company that has owned the hotel enabling him to obtain his work permit for the past 5 years he has worked 10am until 6pm 6 days a week with a Sunday free. The company was recently taken over and has brought in new management leaving Thomas unfortunately without employment. This a man that put his own hand in his pocked to help many a Thai or foreigner without money and with problems many times even though at times he left himself short of cash for his own daily needs. There are many Thais walking around today because he personally helped out with medical expenses for them, there are several family

[kokopelli]

Well spoken, Mark. A wonderful eulogy and, again, a reminder not to jump to conclusions concerning the deaths of others.

[Gaybutton]

a reminder not to jump to conclusions concerning the deaths of others.

I disagree. I've never met the man. While I concede that my own post was callous, the article said he died under bizarre circumstances in a manner very similar to David Carradine. Based on the posts that appear here, chances are that he wasn't murdered and chances are that he did not intentionally commit suicide.

 

I also used the word "if." And "if" he died because of auto eroticism, I don't think it's fair to expect a whole lot of sympathy from people who never even heard of him just because a few people on this board knew him. If I die that way, I would expect people here to have a good laugh over it, not start shedding tears for me and lecturing others about why they should be sympathetic.

 

I see nothing wrong with fountainhalls's post, Bob's post, or my own. However, in deference to those who are upset, I won't write any further posts about the incident.

[Guest HeyGay]

As Mark has already said Thomas was a wonderful generous man even though not a rich man, apart from being heart felt caring and very helpful, with any one who he can help.

 

This is the 3rd persons I know who has taken their own life in a year, and all they need to do is contact a friend to speak about their deeper feelings, but some guys, I don't know if its pride of just the feeling of emptiness, but there is a life after bankruptcy, I my self have found my self in a situation that made me feel financially lost and desperate, stranded with no money, many guys have, but at no time did I want to take my life, may be because I was not totally with out money, or made differently, but I just could not get hold of what was owed, at the time, now have and fortunately life moves on and water finds its own level.

 

Its funny when I ask one friend before he went over the hill, why did he not go back to start again, in the old country, if he finds him themselves desperate, the said he just feels he is are to old and has no more energy to fight the struggle of having nothing.

 

My Sympathies for all who knew Thomas and I hope those Thai guys, who are left behind, can move on to make a life with out Thomas there to help them. I just hope any one out there who feels this low, will contact a friend, Gay Button, me any one, I'm sure you will have many understanding people around to guide you through such a low time of your life. There is a happy answer.

[Guest]

Well spoken, Mark. A wonderful eulogy and, again, a reminder not to jump to conclusions concerning the deaths of others.

 

Agree. Well spoken Mark. Thank you for the insight!

 

As Mark has already said Thomas was a wonderful generous man even though not a rich man, apart from being heart felt caring and very helpful, with any one who he can help.

 

This is the 3rd persons I know who has taken their own life in a year, and all they need to do is contact a friend to speak about their deeper feelings, but some guys, I don't know if its pride of just the feeling of emptiness, but there is a life after bankruptcy, I my self have found my self in a situation that made me feel financially lost and desperate, stranded with no money, many guys have, but at no time did I want to take my life, may be because I was not totally with out money, or made differently, but I just could not get hold of what was owed, at the time, now have and fortunately life moves on and water finds its own level.

 

Its funny when I ask one friend before he went over the hill, why did he not go back to start again, in the old country, if he finds him themselves desperate, the said he just feels he is are to old and has no more energy to fight the struggle of having nothing.

 

My Sympathies for all who knew Thomas and I hope those Thai guys, who are left behind, can move on to make a life with out Thomas there to help them. I just hope any one out there who feels this low, will contact a friend, Gay Button, me any one, I'm sure you will have many understanding people around to guide you through such a low time of your life. There is a happy answer.

 

A very nice post HeyGay. Thank you.

 

I don't understand why so many take their life at all. I don't know what would drive someone to do that. I have had friends that did this and I don't think they realized the pain they left behind for those that loved them.

 

My sympathies for all who knew Thomas as well.

[Guest gay_grampa]

 

I also used the word "if." And "if" he died because of auto eroticism, I don't think it's fair to expect a whole lot of sympathy from people who never even heard of him just because a few people on this board knew him. If I die that way, I would expect people here to have a good laugh over it, not start shedding tears for me and lecturing others about why they should be sympathetic.

 

 

 

So are you going to tell us if you are into auto-erotic asphyxiation

[kokopelli]

I surely had no intention to lecture anyone as to where their sympathies should lie regarding the death of Mr. Pape. In the same sense that RichLB's list of social skills were not directed to anyone in particular, but rather to enlighten, not chastise.

 

"If" I have offended anyone then accept this as a most disingenuous apology.

 

As far as the bizarre circumstances of his death I could easily explain the method but will not and their is nothing weird about it.

[Gaybutton]

So are you going to tell us if you are into auto-erotic asphyxiation

Sorry, but whatever kills me, that won't be it. When my time comes I wouldn't mind going out the way Nelson Rockefeller did, gay style of course. If you gotta go, that's the way to do it.

 

Regarding suicide, people might as well forget about getting me to feel sympathy. The only exception to that for me would be a person dying a long, slow, lingering, painful death. Then I would be sympathetic.

 

But if anyone is looking for me to hop on the sympathy bandwagon for someone who kills himself because of financial problems, you're definitely barking up the wrong tree. For all I know the person could be more saintly than Mother Theresa, but I just can't conjure up any sympathy for that, especially if the person did not ask for help. I'm not saying I'm right, but I am saying that's the way I look at it.

 

I've helped people when they needed it and people helped me when I needed it. To me, that's the way it's supposed to be.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

When I go I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather did, not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.

[Guest tdperhs]

Been there, done that, although I was only 20 at the time. As Nietszche said, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. It worked for me, but only because a psychiatrist told me that shortly afterwards and I came to believe I was supposed to be stronger. I was in the USAF then so I obeyed anybody's orders, even Nietszche. I O.D. on prescription tranquilizers which my attorney later determined were a military experimental drug which were effectively depressants. About two weeks after I began taking them, loneliness and depression overwhelmed me an I took forty of the fuckers along with a half pint of cherry vodka. I was on duty at the time at an isolated duty station in southern France. The last thing I thought about before I fell over a piece of expensive test equipment causing a noise that awakened my supervisor and other members of our crew was, "My fate is in the hands of God. If he wants me to live, I will live." But I had truly given myself over to death.

The biggest problem I had to deal with was being in the military and being at least ha sip ha sip. Actually, I was probably more like jet sip saam sip. But all of my experiences had been close friends in my neighborhood who knew even less than I did what it meant to be gay.

In our Army support unit, there was a soldier, body and face straight off Olympus. Because of my security clearances, I needed to keep my feelings secret. Somehow I think he knew. He never said anything, but he found ways to taunt me. If I looked out the window where he was working, he would look around at the rest of his crew. If he saw no one watching him, he would pretend to be masturbating in my direction. I don't know how many times I fantasized about burying my face in his crotch. This was 1961. Do the math yourself. At my current age and experience it is obvious that he was probably more gay than I was. But this was then and I was "Gay Ignorant.". I was the anomaly, at least in my mind. In my mind, I was a freak. I did not belong anywhere. Bear in mind we did not have e-mail or internet, the Air Force certainly had no support group for gays or bis, and drugs prescribed by people I trusted led me to believe "the world, MY world, hopelessly sucked. I didn't (NPI).

All the evidence I had at that time indicated to me that life would not get any better. I decided it was time to cut out before I humiliated my friends, my family, and my country, all of which I loved and accepted without reservation. Being gay was wrong, being wrong was un-American.

My point is this. Was I inadequate? Was I wrong? I don't think so. I believe that a person who has reached a point where life no longer has meaning and will yield no further satisfaction, a la Papa Hemingway, can and should make the choice. Everyone should respect that choice, be it to live or to die. The man who made that decision based it on his knowledge of the value of the life he took. I sit here now at the age of 68 and constantly tempt myself with questions. Is the world going to be any better if I live to be 75? Will the universe collapse if I don't make it to 80? Six months ago my mother became a nanogenarian. Did that change anything?

The person in question made a choice. There was no future worth dealing with. You may judge right or wrong but the fact is your judgment does not come attached to an absolute event, i.e. DYING.

[Guest jomtien]

Sorry, but whatever kills me, that won't be it. When my time comes I wouldn't mind going out the way Nelson Rockefeller did, gay style of course. If you gotta go, that's the way to do it.

 

 

 

 

 

Really? So leaving your wife and children to be laughed at, humiliated and embarrassed is the way to go? Interesting.

[Guest]

Out of respect for the direction of this thread, I have moved several posts in their entirety to: Payless and HeyGay's Discussion. Keep this thread on topic. Thanks.

 

GT