Guest tontonlove Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 HELLO I am writing from a translator because my English is average. I'd like have some clear r Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 The only safe age of consent for a foreigner is if the boy is 18 years old, or older. The tip amount is your personal choice. If the boy stays with you for only one or two hours, which we refer to as "short time," I recommend giving him 1000 baht as a tip. If he stays overnight with you, which we refer to as "long time," then I recommend 1500 baht as a tip. Some may agree with me. Some may argue that my recommendation is not enough or is too much, but the boys will be happy with those amounts. Quote
Bob Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 I'm not sure if he was asking about the "off" fees but, if he was, I agree with your assessment. If he's talking about what tip would you give the boy for simply having him come over to your table to sit with you a while and chat, I usually buy the boy a drink and then give him 100 baht or so when I leave. I have no clue what one does/pays if somebody is carrying on with the boy in the bar as I don't do that and think it's rather offensive (at least to me). Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 I'm not sure if he was asking about the "off" fees but, if he was, I agree with your assessment. You're right. I misread his post. Quote
kokopelli Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 HELLO What is the legal age of consent in Thailand? = 18 A second question it easier: if I invite a boy at my side in a gogo bar, what is the tip I use to give him? = 100 Baht tip +1 drink (100 - 150 Baht) Quote
Guest naughtybutnice Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 HELLO I am writing from a translator because my English is average. I'd like have some clear réponses to these questions: What is the legal age of consent in thailand? I do not want know if you are a pedophile or attracted to older or more muscles, I only want to know the true legal age of Thailand. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996 a very strict law was enacted that makes it a serious crime to engage a prostitute if she is under age 18. The Act also helps the prostitute who is not over 18 year of age who shall receive protection and vocational development for a period not over 2 years "Safeguarding the welfare of Thai women and children is a national priority for the Government of Thailand. Of particular concern to the Royal Thai Government is the exploitation of children for the purpose of commercial sex. Young girls and boys too often are lured or forced into working in brothels and other sexually oriented establishments. The definition of prostitution] "prostitution" means sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person IN A PROMISCUOUS MANNER (my emphasis) in return for earning or any other benefit... Section 6. Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both "prostitution establishment" means a place established for prostitution or in which the prostitution is allowed, and shall include a place used for soliciting or procuring another person for prostitution; Now here is where the "safe" age 15 under the prior law is increased to age 18: Section 8. Any person who, in order to gratify the sexual desire of oneself or another person, has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over fifteen but not over eighteen years of age in a prostitution establishment, with or without his or her consent, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of one to three years and to a fine of twenty thousand to sixty thousand Baht. Quote
bkkguy Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 What is the legal age of consent in thailand? According to article 279 of the Thai Criminal Code the age of consent is 15 Most people answering this question refer to the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act and Penal Code Amendment Act of 1997 Section 283 bis - while these acts have nothing to do with the legal age of consent they cover the sex related offenses most visitors and expats are charged with. bkkguy Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 According to article 279 of the Thai Criminal Code the age of consent is 15 I hope you're not trying to convince people that sex with a 15, 16, or 17 year old is perfectly ok. It isn't. On a technical level you may be right, but on a practical level if a farang gets caught involved sexually with a boy of those ages, he's had it. Do you disagree? Quote
Guest Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 Age of Consent is 15. For money it is 18. Prostitution is illegal for all ages. For American's traveling to any country it is 18. Tips. If someone sits by you for a drink, give them 100 baht if you decide you don't want to take them. If they sit by you for longer than 15 min, give them a bit more. If they sit and you know soon that they are not going to work for you, tip then and say thank you and let them go back to the stage to get a client that will take them off. The 100 baht is nice but they also need a way to make more and if you know you aren't going to take them, let them try to find someone else. Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 Age of Consent is 15. For money it is 18. Prostitution is illegal for all ages. For American's traveling to any country it is 18. I'm trying to prevent these posts from misleading people new to Thailand and getting themselves into trouble. Quoting the law is not much help when in reality it just doesn't work that way. Don't forget that Thailand is a guilty unless proven innocent country. Anyone who gets sexually involved with someone under the age of 18 is placing himself at great risk of arrest, prosecution, and prison time, not to mention the huge cost of getting yourself out of trouble if you can get out of it at all. But if you're arrested you can always start quoting the law to the police. I'm sure they'll listen to you . . . all the way downtown. The bottom line is very simple. Forget about the age of consent laws. It's not going to help you one bit if you are caught engaging in sex with someone under 18 years old. The age of consent laws are fine if it happens to be two young people having sex with each other. But does anyone truly think a Thai judge is going to believe that a 50+ year old farang and a 15, 16, or 17 year old boy were having sex without money or prostitution being involved? Good luck with that one. You'll need it. Another little thing . . . the age of consent laws are not the only laws that apply. Many farang, for example, have been charged with taking a minor without the consent of the parents. That's a serious crime in Thailand too and is viewed by the courts much the same as kidnapping. Fortunately, though, in many cases the charges are dropped if you can come to a suitable financial arrangement with the family that they will accept. Let's see, how much was that fully furnished new house, new car, and water buffalo? And don't forget the large flat screen TV. Do what you want folks, but that's quite a set of risks just so that you can have a real nice cum that lasts a few seconds. Take Viagra first. That way, maybe your cum will last a little longer. It will be a very pleasant memory when you start getting those midnight conjugal visits from some big grotesque oaf you don't want one from. You have no problem if the boy is at least 18 years old. If he is younger than 18 you are placing yourself at risk. Go ahead. Have sex with a 15 year old if you want to. Personally, if you really do I think you're nuts. If you're caught, when you have to face the consequences you can't say I didn't do my best to warn you. Quote
Guest Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 You have no problem if the boy is at least 18 years old. If he is younger than 18 you are placing yourself at risk. Go ahead. Have sex with a 15 year old if you want to. Personally, if you really do I think you're nuts. If you're caught, when you have to face the consequences you can't say I didn't do my best to warn you. I could not agree with you more. I was just stating the law. That was what he wanted to know. The law of the land is 15. I agree that for all practical purposes it is 18 for anyone not a Thai Citizen and you are not being smart if you take someone under that age or even someone over the age without a legit ID. Also, for American's traveling to any country, the age is 18. Period. The age of consent in all countries are irrelevant for American's. I am not sure about other counties and when their citizens travel. But, for USA citizens, it is illegal to have sex with anyone in any country unless they are over 18. Quote
bkkguy Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 I hope you're not trying to convince people that sex with a 15, 16, or 17 year old is perfectly ok. It isn't. On a technical level you may be right, but on a practical level if a farang gets caught involved sexually with a boy of those ages, he's had it. Do you disagree? if no prostitution is involved than it is perfectly OK, and Thais do it all the time, but if a falung is involved then the police will almost certainly try to establish prostitution! read the original question and my reply - the question was "what is the age of consent", and my response was "15" which is correct. it is not just being technical or pedantic, "age of consent" has an established meaning in law and in general conversation and quoting from other laws and saying these define age of consent is just confusing. in the rest of my post I point out that most people are charged under prostitution laws and these had already been detailed in other posts, albeit somewhat confusingly Quoting the law is not much help when in reality it just doesn't work that way. understanding which law you are likely to be charged under is I think helpful! bkkguy Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 if no prostitution is involved than it is perfectly OK, and Thais do it all the time, but if a falung is involved then the police will almost certainly try to establish prostitution! That's exactly the point. I think you and I agree. What are we arguing about? I know the question asked what the age of consent is. Just last year I learned to read. Quote
bkkguy Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 I think you and I agree. I don't think we do agree - you blithely state in some posts that the age of consent is 18 when it isn't and in other posts blithely say the "safe" age is 18 and I think this is confusing and counterproductive but I think I should just give up at this stage because you seem to think you are better at "clarifying" these things for the uninitiated! bkkguy Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 I don't think we do agree Oh well, I thought we did. Actually I made no dispute about the technical legal age of consent at all. I don't know where you're getting that from. What I have been "blithely" trying to say is that no matter what the age of consent is on paper, in reality it doesn't work that way. I can't believe you don't know that. If you are trying to convince people that they are in safe legal territory if they have sex with boys between the ages of 15 and 17, then you are misleading naive people, especially people who are about to make a first trip to Thailand. People need to understand that age of consent or no age of consent, money changing hands or no money changing hands, in Thailand farang are safe only if the boy is 18+ years old. Do you disagree? Does anyone out there disagree? Is there anyone who takes a position that you are not at risk if you engage in sex with boys under 18 years old in Thailand? I will, however, concede one thing: To my knowledge there has only been one arrest ever made of a farang who took an under-age boy off from a bar. I also take a position that in today's world, there is no reason that I would consider valid for the age of consent, both legally and practically, to be 18. In my opinion it ought to be 16. Quote
Bob Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Does anyone out there disagree? Is there anyone who takes a position that you are not at risk if you engage in sex with boys under 18 years old in Thailand? Nope, agree completely. For all practical purposes (involving falang having sex with anyone in Thailand), it's 18. And it's also my view that talking theory (well, technically you could legally have sex with a 16 or 17 year old here so long as there's nothing of value - giving him money, buying him dinner, paying for his disco bill, buying him a t-shirt, paying for his entry to the Grand Palace, paying for his taxi ride, etc. - exchanged is basically unpractical theory (the situation by and large isn't going to happen and, even if it does, one shouldn't be dumb enough to think a cop might believe that) and probably dangerous as it might cause the newbe (or oldie) to engage in foolish/risky behavior. And, for those from the US, you can be prosecuted in the US for having sex with somebody in another country if the person is under 18 regardless if it's practically or theoretically legal in that other country (there are some minor exceptions but they are not going to apply to any falang reading this). Quote
Guest lvdkeyes Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I don't know why there is so much discussion about this. Yes, the legal age for sex in Thailand is 15, but if money is involved with anyone under 18, although prostitution is illegal in Thailand, you are at great risk. It would be extremely difficult to prove no money exchanged hands between a 15, 16 or 17 year old Thai and an older farang. And the burden of proof would be on the farang. Simple! This may seem wrong to some, but this is Thailand and that's how it is. Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I don't know why there is so much discussion about this. While I am in no way suggesting that anyone on this board is a pedophile or in any way supports pedophiles, I think some people are confusing the way they want things to be or the way they believe things are in Thailand with the actual and practical realities that exist. I won't call it age of consent, but I will call it the 'age of safety.' I would have no objection if the age was changed from 18 to 16. I believe, considering the world as it is today, that age would be appropriate. But until that happens, people better stick to 18+. Quote
Guest tontonlove Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Thank you for your answers. If I understand correctly, the legal age of consent is 15 but the prostitution is illegal.I do not find this is very serious considering the huge number of prostitute (s) in Thailand. It is probably very wise to check the ID card before. Ideally there are no minors in the gogo bars. Is it true that Thailand must do is calculate 2010 + 550 for knowing the age. Thank you again and happy to walk in this beautiful country Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Is it true that Thailand must do is calculate 2010 + 550 for knowing the age. No. We call it "The 543 Rule." 2010 + 543 = 2553. 2553 is the current Thai year. So, for you to be safe, the boy has to have been born in the year 2535 or before that year. Quote
Guest taylorsquare Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I dont wish to be rude,but it would be AFTER that year wouldnt it? Quote
Bob Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 No. We call it "The 543 Rule." 2010 + 543 = 2553. 2553 is the current Thai year. So, for you to be safe, the boy has to have been born in the year 2535 or before that year. Yep....with the cautionary note that most current 17-year-olds were born in 2535 [i.e., only a kid born on for before "today's date" (which, of course, will move forward daily) is actually 18 years old]. Quote
Guest Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Ideally there are no minors in the gogo bars. Ideally & reality are 2 different things. Some Sunnee gogo bars should be avoided completely. In others, take care to pick someone who both looks over 18 and has the ID card to back it up. Quote
Guest Asmerom Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 And does all that's been said here apply to massage parlours and masseurs. Are they ever raided by police? Should you ask to see the masseurs ID card if he looks under 18? Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 And does all that's been said here apply to massage parlours and masseurs. Are they ever raided by police? Should you ask to see the masseurs ID card if he looks under 18? Excellent question. I don't think anyone has ever asked before. As far as I recall, there has never been a massage parlor raid. If there have been any, they are quite rare. If all you want is a massage, then the age of the boy doesn't matter. If you want a "happy ending" massage, despite the fact that the massage parlors don't seem to get raided, I would still want to make sure the boy is at least 18. The odds are greatly against it happening, but in my case I'm living proof that Murphy's Law is a reality. I'm picturing the police barging in just as the masseur is administering the "happy ending" and he turns out to be younger than 18. I can't speak for others, but I'm going to make sure. I much prefer being safe to being sorry. Quote
