Sunee Street Urchins

[Guest Astrrro]

Was sitting in a Sunee Bar last night and noticed some bad vibes between some of the street urchins. A little later saw two of these boys running quite fast followed by the 12 year sociopath that's the leader of the gang and said sociopath threw a bottle at the boys that crashed on the ground but could easily have hit a barboy or customer.

 

Generally when I sense bad vibes in any area I just leave cause I don't want to be collateral damage.

 

Something needs to be done about this situation if the bar owners don't want lose business. My guess is that the Thai bar owners would be better equipped to handle this problem than the SPI bars.

 

Right now seems to be a mai bhen rai attitude as no one wants to open a can of worms.

 

But if I see repeated performances of last night I'll likely go to Sunee much less which would be a big loss for me as otherwise I enjoy the area very much.

 

That same little glue sniffing creep once for no reason whatsoever spit some sort of seed at me.

[Guest taylorsquare]

I admit too I am a bit nervous when walking around that area.

[Guest Soi10Tom]

I see the evil little bastard that you are talking about on the streets also. I'm really surprised that the Thai bar owners haven't had their contacts in the BIB handle this little crazy. He is dangerous and sooner or later will cause a very big problem. He recently tried to light a friend of mine's scooter on fire when he refused to pay "rent" for a parking place in Sunee.

[Gaybutton]

He recently tried to light a friend of mine's scooter on fire when he refused to pay "rent" for a parking place in Sunee.

Why didn't your friend call the police?

[Guest Soi10Tom]

Why didn't your friend call the police?

 

I am going to assume...and yes, I know what assume means...that you have ask this question as an educational seminar for those who might be tempted to call the police, as I assume that you well know the answer to your question.

 

1) Farang should never get in any contested issue with a Thai child that involves the Police..one lying word out of the Little Angel's mouth and the Farang could easily end up as a catch for World Vision. 2)If the Police had showed up and taken the Farang's side Child Wonder would be out on the street the next night, and said Farang had better forget any thought of returning to Sunee for a long long time. 3) Child wonder would be gone by the time that the police arrived..Farang with Cops would have drawn the attention of Love Child's admirers, the result would have been the same as #2: forget returning to Sunee for a long long time. 4)The law of unintended/unexpected consequences.

 

This Little Darling is something that needs to be handled Thai to Thai...and someone needs to take on this child of Lucifer soon as he is scaring customers away from Sunee on a daily basis.

[Gaybutton]

I am going to assume...and yes, I know what assume means...that you have ask this question as an educational seminar for those who might be tempted to call the police, as I assume that you well know the answer to your question.

Sorry, but that's utter nonsense. How stupid do you think the police are? This kid tried to set fire to a motorcycle. Maybe you think the police are going to play games when it comes to arson, but I don't. If he had done that to me, you can bet your bottom dollar I would have taken it to the police. My friend, if you're going to let some idiotic kid intimidate you when he is the one out there committing crimes, that's your business. I wouldn't think twice about it and yes, I would be right back in Sunee Plaza the next night with no fears or qualms whatsoever.

 

I will agree that it would be better handled Thai-to-Thai, but since it didn't happen that way, you won't find me looking the other way for fear of it backfiring on me.

 

Your assumptions about what I really think are dead wrong.

[Guest jomtien]

Your assumptions about what I really think are dead wrong.

Oh my. I just LOVE it when you get all butch and manly! My nipples are hard!!!

[Gaybutton]

My nipples are hard!!!

Unfortunately, that's the only part of your body that ever is . . .

[Guest Geezer]

I'm brain-storming. Don't get on my case for this idea.

 

Perhaps a few bar owners could pay police to rid the Plaza of delinquents. Shucks -- I, and probably a few others, would be happy to contribute to a fund to obviate this problem.

 

Failing that, this is Thailand. It should be possible to tell some bad ass Thai guy that a few thousand baht would mysteriously appear in his bank account at the end of every week known miscreants were not seen in the Plaza.

 

I realize this would have to be done anonymously. It could precipitate other problems, such alerting the mafia to the fact there might be money to be made from selling

[Rogie]

He recently tried to light a friend of mine's scooter on fire when he refused to pay "rent" for a parking place in Sunee.

 

I recall discussion about the problems parking your car or motorbike on the street perfectly legally and getting nasty looks (or worse) from the owner of the premises or gangs of m/c taxi riders - that's one thing but to have to pay (no doubt a small amount)is quite another. Is this common practise? I've never being approached in Sunee for payment of this sort when parking my m/c, hence my surprise.

[Guest Soi10Tom]

Sorry, but that's utter nonsense.

 

I don't think that the police are at all stupid,,,it fact they are very intelligent when it comes to making every possible situation into a profit making venture. Anyone who has been here for a while knows guys that have been held up by the BIB for payoffs to make trumped up charges go away. That would include you, who was held up by a traffic cop in Bangkok for 2,000 baht, if my memory serves my right. To think that the BIB would not use any mutterings of sexual abuse by a sweet child to make a profit is beyond stupid.

 

I have been in Sunee many nights for the last several months and have not seen you there even once, and none of the folks that I have talked to have seen you in Sunee in their recent memories. You are very obviously out of touch with the current reality of Sunee.

 

What is utter nonsense and pure foolishness is for you to say, "I wouldn't think twice about it and yes, I would be right back in Sunee Plaza the next night with no fears or qualms whatsoever." It is great vibrato for your audience here; to quote jomtien, "Oh my. I just LOVE it when you get all butch and manly! My nipples are hard!!!" It is childishly naive given the current situation to think you could involve the police without negative consequences. It is to bad that my assumptions are "dead wrong"...as your attitude could well leave you maimed if you were foolish enough to go prancing through Sunee after calling in the BIB.

[Guest]

I think there are valid points made on both sides of the argument. For me personally, I think better to mind my own business as much as possible. Involving the cops would help little IMHO and I think getting some of the Thais to handle the situation is a better idea. But, I don't even know I would do that.

 

I think back to years ago on of my first visits to Pattaya and the BF (first one not my darling now) were walking in Soi Sunee and I walked upon a fight that was over and the winner proceeded to bash the head in of the looser with his foot against the pavement. Over and Over. It broke my heart to see this. I then started to move in to pull the victor away and the BF took my arm and pulled me away forcefully. Not easy to do to someone my size. I told him that I had to do something and I knew the boy stood no chance against me. He said, "No, he doesn't. But, then he comes back with 10 friends all with knives and machetes and then what will you do?" Well, I didn't think of things that far in advance.

 

I heeded his advice and it served me well. I would love to be a good Samaritan from time to time but it is not my place to get involved and I have learned that IMHO, that is the best thing for me in most instances.

 

Now GayButton as Jomtien obviously has a crush on you and may become a stalker, if he ever attempts to kidnap you and use you as his bitch, I will break my rule and rush to your side. (to pull you away, not to join in all the fun)

[Guest Geezer]

I have been in Sunee many nights for the last several months and have not seen you there even once, and none of the folks that I have talked to have seen you in Sunee in their recent memories. You are very obviously out of touch with the current reality of Sunee.

 

I don

[Gaybutton]

I don’t remember the date, but within the past week a group of us were talking with GB in Sunee Plaza.

Let him think what he likes and let him call me "beyond stupid" all he wants. Let him think I don't know the realities of Sunee Plaza or that I don't ever go there. I'm sorry his spy network is failing him, but that's beside the point. My goodness, there must be a lot of people in Sunee Plaza saying to Soi10Tom, "You know something? I haven't seen Gaybutton around here in quite a while."

 

My point is very simple. If someone, even a crazed kid, vandalizes my vehicle or tries to shake me down for money, I'm calling the police. I couldn't care less if that same kid tries to get out of it by saying I was involved in sex with him. Soi10Tom is free to believe whatever he wants.

 

I don't care if he is in Sunee Plaza every hour of every day, that too is beside the point, unless he can explain how his presence more often in Sunee Plaza than my own makes him more likely to know how the police would handle this kind of situation.

 

He thinks it will even occur to the kid to try get out of it by making a sexual allegation and that the police would lend the slightest credence to it. Apparently he thinks the police will simply take the kid's word for it and place the farang under arrest while the kid goes merrily on his way. I suppose even if the police decide to take the farang and the kid in for questioning, they won't easily figure out who is telling the truth.

 

He's right about the incident in which I was shaken down by a traffic cop in Bangkok for 2000 baht. I don't know what that is supposed to have to do with proving his point, but so be it. Maybe I'm wrong. He's in Sunee Plaza much more often than I am. Maybe he can tell us all about the last time a farang called the police in response to being criminally victimized by a kid, but ended up being arrested himself because the same kid made a sexual allegation. I'm not in Sunee Plaza as often as he is, so I must have missed the story.

 

He also thinks the kid will be quickly released, return to Sunee Plaza, and if I, or whoever his accuser is, shows up, now there will be a retaliatory physical attack. Again, I'm not in Sunee Plaza as often as he is. Maybe he can tell us about the last time a farang called the police in response to a kid's criminal behavior, returned to Sunee Plaza, and was attacked. I missed that story too.

 

If he truly wants to believe a scenario as absurdly ridiculous as that, and wants to try to convince everybody else that any such thing is likely, let him.

 

Meanwhile, if some ya ba ridden kid tries to burn my vehicle, I'll be calling the police because, after all, I'm "beyond stupid."

[Guest RichLB]

This whole issue is a real quandry. I see Soi10Tom's point of view and partially agree with him. Thais have a reputation (deserved or not) of never forgetting and seeking retribution for past wrongs. If I were to intercede forcefully I think I would never really feel secure walking in Sunee.

 

But, then, I see GB's point of view, too. If fear prevents us from acting, it will only embolden these kids and it sooner or later their acts are likely to become more than just annoyances. The result is I won't feel safe in Sunee by turning the other cheek then, either.

 

I think Geezer has the right idea. If the bar owners are made aware that this problem is keeping customers from visiting Sunee, they might just be willing to take some action. Hiring a couple guards to walk the sois and intimidate these kids wouldn't cost much and their fee is likely to be made up for by increased business. I actually don't think I've ever seen any guards patroling the area and the more I think about it the more I think it's a good idea.

 

Until that happens, maybe someone will find my experience helpful. I've run into these kids only once while they were lolling on my motorcycle in a darkened area of the soi (near Memories). The older one said they had been guarding it and wanted 100 baht for the service. Rather than get angry, I laughed and joked that for 100 baht they had better be prepared to do more than just watch my motorcycle, leered at them, and puckered my lips. They giggled, punched each other in the arm, and played "who's gonna kiss the old farang first." I continued laughing and had fun egging them on, climbed on my motorcycle, and drove off. (By the way, in case typed words don't carry my tone - I was joking and would have never kissed any of them if they'd called my bluff.)

[Rogie]

I've run into these kids only once while they were lolling on my motorcycle in a darkened area of the soi (near Memories). The older one said they had been guarding it and wanted 100 baht for the service.

 

From what people are saying it looks to me this is just opportunism, pure and simple, rather than a meticulously-planned operation (that's assuming these children could organise a regular protection racket, which is pretty unlikely - if it were systematic that would imply beings of a higher power at play). They weren't to know Rich was going to be leaving on his m/c just then, unless his movements were being monitored, which seems most unlikley. No wonder they are so brazen - it doesn't take many farang to give in to their demands for 100 baht...

Another thing to think about: People give them money, what do they spend it on?