My First Day in Pattaya

[Gaybutton]

All of a sudden he jumped up and said I can't do this and went in the shower and then got dressed. He muttered something about not being treated like a Bar Boy and he was gone. Amazing.

That is kind of bizarre, especially since he's the one who initiated contact with you on Gay Romeo. I'm glad you took it in stride and didn't let it bother you or stop you.

 

"It is all a part of life's great pageant, you know?"

- Peter Sellers, 'A Shot in the Dark'

[Guest luvthai]

For those that date the gayromeo guys it helps them when you leave a comment in their guestbook. The good ones deserve to be recognized and the bad ones well it helps us avoid the bad ones.

[Guest]

For those that date the gayromeo guys it helps them when you leave a comment in their guestbook. The good ones deserve to be recognized and the bad ones well it helps us avoid the bad ones.

 

I agree in principle, but don't the bad ones just open an account under a new user name?

Positive comments should be useful.

 

Also, have seen comments like "He's only after money", which led to the user turning off his guest book. The comment was probably made by someone who just doesn't like rent boys -very unhelpful.

[Gaybutton]

don't the bad ones just open an account under a new user name?

Not necessarily. Some do, some don't. Many apparently never look at their guestbooks or they simply don't understand the English. Many don't set up their own profiles and get help from someone who speaks and writes English much better than they can.

 

If you see boys who seem to continually change their user names, that's usually a 'red light.' I stay away from them. Some change their names if they simply haven't gotten any 'bites' under their current name. Some change their names so that they appear in the "New User" column when people log on, figuring they will get more hits that way. It doesn't take long to get a feel for which ones are the bad apples.

 

The same is true for those guestbooks. It becomes rather easy, after a while, to tell who is writing something negative because that's what happened and who is writing out of some sort of vindictiveness.

[Guest]

I find the move by many to Internet based site interesting to say the least. That was the downfall of Amsterdam IMHO. The boy bars there were fantastic at one point in time and then the Internet came in and the bars dried up. I have seem less guys at the bars in Prague as well over the past few years and it is not in its hey day any longer.

 

I hope this doesn't happen to LOS, but for years I have known boys that worked in the bars and then quit them and only work online as they say they make more money this way.

 

Actually, one guy that Firecat introduced me to about 7 years ago he had met online and was working at Star Boys. I met the guy and liked him as well. He has not worked at a bar in years and only does the Internet sites. I guess the ones with the English skills to work them make out better.

 

That also makes me wonder if the Internet guys are also going to be more conversational in English?

[Gaybutton]

I hope this doesn't happen to LOS, but for years I have known boys that worked in the bars and then quit them and only work online as they say they make more money this way.

A lot of people are preaching doom and gloom about Pattaya's bar scene. I see nothing to indicate that the bars are in any kind of imminent danger of closing their doors for good. Internet or not, people still enjoy going to the bars and despite the lower numbers of customers, the bars are still going strong. I think the bars ae going to be here or a very long time to come.

 

As far as the boys working the bars and working the Internet, I don't think many of them are doing "either or." If anything, they're doing both. Don't forget that the primary goal for many of these boys is to reel in a farang for a permanent sugar-daddy relationship. Many are trying to get off the rice farm and lead a comfortable life. "Have farang" is the most promising chance of accomplishing that. So, they're going to be in the bars and on the Internet.

 

Few of them lead much of a life in the first place. I get the same answer most of the time when I talk with these boys. I'll ask what they do most days. The most common answer is "I go work and I go sleep." When I ask them what else they do, the usual answer is "Look TV." When I ask why they don't do anything else, the answer is almost always "No have money."

 

I see "experts" posting on these boards quite often who seem to be under the impression that most of these boys are taken off almost daily, often twice or even more and that they must have plenty of money. Nothing could be further from the reality. Most are lucky if they're taken off two or three times in a month. Very few are any more fortunate than that and a great many are far less fortunate than that.

 

Every so often a boy gets lucky and a customer takes them off for days or even weeks at a time. But every one of them will tell you about how they, or their friends, get all kinds of promises of financial help and support from farang who have become infatuated with them during their holiday here. Then the farang returns to his home country and the boy never hears from him again or the money supply quickly fizzles out.

 

Many people post about how the boys try to get money via the dead water buffalo, the sick grandmother, the mother who can't work, the leaking roof, etc. I don't blame them. So many of them get promises from farang that are only rarely fulfilled and many of the boys perceive farang as chronic liars who have only one thing in mind - sex, and couldn't care less about the boy and his future. It works both ways, folks.

 

So, they're going to be in the bars and many will be on the Internet as well. And I, for one, do not believe the bars are going anywhere. Some will fail and some will change hands, but the scene itself, I believe, is here to stay for the foreseeable future, and beyond.

[Guest]

1 The tourist who spends a few days in a city cannot spot frequent changes of Gayromeo username in the same way as someone who resides in Thailand & regularly looks for contacts. If that tourist visits 5~6 cities on an extended holiday, he is unlikely to do enough advance research to spot username changes.

 

2 I think there are a couple of factors which may reduce the number of bars slightly over the long term.

The bars must lose some trade to Gayromeo.

Also the proportion of western tourists is likely to decrease, with Chinese numbers possibly increasing over time. The middle-class Chinese tourist can probably find cheap Asian rent boys at home, so the offer in the Thai bars might be less of a novelty.

Also, I do not notice many of the arab tourists in the gogo bars.

[Gaybutton]

1 The tourist who spends a few days in a city cannot spot frequent changes of Gayromeo username in the same way as someone who resides in Thailand & regularly looks for contacts.

Don't you think a substantial number of people probably like to look at the personals sites, whether Gay Romeo or other sites, regularly whether they're in Thailand or not? If I was back in the USA I'd still be looking quite frequently and when it started getting close to the time for me to go to Thailand I'd be trying to arrange hookups with the boys who I want to meet. I would also just as readily spot user name changes.

[Guest]

Don't you think a substantial number of people probably like to look at the personals sites, whether Gay Romeo or other sites, regularly whether they're in Thailand or not? If I was back in the USA I'd still be looking quite frequently and when it started getting close to the time for me to go to Thailand I'd be trying to arrange hookups with the boys who I want to meet. I would also just as readily spot user name changes.

The tourist who does a tour around half a dozen SE Asian towns & cities is unlikely to familiarise himself with the Gayromeo membership in all of those towns & cities.

 

If the tourist is visiting just one town, then that might be a different matter.

[Gaybutton]

The tourist who does a tour around half a dozen SE Asian towns & cities is unlikely to familiarise himself with the Gayromeo membership in all of those towns & cities.

How on earth do you know what a tourist is likely or unlikely to do? If it were me, that's exactly what I would do, and I wouldn't necessarily limit myself to Gay Romeo. Gay Romeo is hardly the only personals site.

 

All anyone would need to do is go into any internet cafe and get online. When I've traveled to other Thai cities I've done that and often within minutes have easily arranged meeting a new 'friend.'

[Guest HeyGay]

As GB is saying this is exactly what with the vacationers are doing now, getting a cheap flight to the first country checking web sites for hotels and then finding a partner on GR or others, friends of mine, did it all on a shoe string and had a wonderful time.

 

They were telling me they are now back home in UK and went to Philippines. Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos met guys on the GR site before, what fun that is and they had the most wonderful time, especially in Phnom Penn Cambodia and Laos and the Phillipins as a matter of fact by the time they arrived in Pattaya for a few days before they returned home, they wished they had stayed in Cambodia, as it was so tame here with ugly guys and near empty bars.

[kokopelli]

Day 3:

I would call the boys young, slim, and not that attractive to my eye. In my opinion definitely some underage boys, which this mama-san is infamous for. I had 45 minutes to kill. so I stayed way longer then normal. Some kid shot his load and collected small amount of money in the cup. I continued to look for a diamond in the rough but I saw nothing other the average looking Issan boys who needed a good meal, etc.

 

 

I also went to Nice Boys the past two nights but did not see any of questionable age. As far as average looking Issan boys who need a good meal, I suppose that is one man's opinion. There was one really skinny one but otherwise all looked ok to me.

[Guest fountainhall]

the proportion of western tourists is likely to decrease, with Chinese numbers possibly increasing over time. The middle-class Chinese tourist can probably find cheap Asian rent boys at home, so the offer in the Thai bars might be less of a novelty.

With respect to z909, I suspect the proportion of Chinese and other Asian tourists visiting bars will actually increase, and this will mean bar owners will have to change some of their ideas about their market. In China and many other Asian countries, only a very small proportion of gays are actually 'out'. Their activities in their home countries are therefore very restricted. Even though the gay scene in China is rapidly becoming more open - which must mean an increase in internet dating, there is still only a very small number of gay bars and other meeting places in the major cities, for example.

 

For the average Chinese, it is now becoming much easier and cheaper to travel. When these guys start coming to Thailand in greater numbers, it is the bars - both gogo and street bars - that they will find especially fascinating. And they won't have the worry of neighbours, colleagues or family seeing them bar hopping - or sauna hopping for that matter, for places like Babylon and Chakran just don't exist there. Although less clannish that the Japanese, mainland Chinese guys still tend to travel in small groups. So if I were a bar owner, I'd make sure I had signs in Chinese inside and out. I'd also have a small sign on each table listing 'bar etiquette'. I'd even go so far as to have a line in Chinese characters on my website and in every advertisement I take out in local gay magazines. Word will soon get out that such bars are "Chinese friendly".

 

If I wanted to go further, I search the internet for Chinese gay publications and invite a contributor to a free night at the bar when next in Thailand. To have an article with some photos of your bar in such a magazine - or on an internet site - will ensure its readers make a beeline for your bar as soon as they arrive.

 

The vast majority of Chinese are not used to foreign cultures and have limited command of English. So I can see only a very few setting up encounters in Thailand on international dating sites like gayromeo. Bars require little of either - only cash, which the Chinese are going to have a lot more of in future!

[firecat69]

I also went to Nice Boys the past two nights but did not see any of questionable age. As far as average looking Issan boys who need a good meal, I suppose that is one man's opinion. There was one really skinny one but otherwise all looked ok to me.

That is why Heinz makes 57 varieties of soup . I'm sure you might not like some of the boys I consider cute at FunnyBoys.If I want young looking and small I would prefer HappyBoys which I stopped in last night. My perception only but the boys don't look so much like street kids. Maybe because of the way they are dressed or maybe because they are not all jerking off at the same time. Depends when you walk in whether you see any of questionable age. But they will be dressed and not jerking off so pretty easy to spot. After 10 years of watching this Mamasan operate , believe me there Are!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say that as a warning not as an indictment because in a lot of ways this particular mamasan is very good to the Boys.

 

Anyways if you like that bar that is great. It will be a long time if ever before I return!!!!!

[Guest]

How on earth do you know what a tourist is likely or unlikely to do? If it were me, that's exactly what I would do, and I wouldn't necessarily limit myself to Gay Romeo. Gay Romeo is hardly the only personals site.

 

My theory is if the tourist visits 5~6 towns, he may look at what's available (as I have done).

However, he's going to have to spend a lot of time on Gayromeo to spot users who are changing their Gayromeo IDs in all of those towns. That means doing a search in each of the 6 towns several times AND remembering who has changed ID.

I don't think many people would go that far for several towns & cities, as this starts to overload the brain...

[Gaybutton]

That means doing a search in each of the 6 towns several times AND remembering who has changed ID.

I don't think many people would go that far for several towns & cities, as this starts to overload the brain...

I'm sorry it would overload your brain. It wouldn't overload mine and under those circumstances I doubt I would care about who did or did not change their user names. The point I am trying to make is that finding hookups online, and finding them quickly, is rarely a problem. If it's a boy you have never met before, it's just about the same as taking a boy off from a bar who you have never taken off before. You don't know what you're going to get.

 

I also don't know why you keep harping about Gay Romeo. I keep saying it's a good hookup site, but it isn't the only hookup site. Another good site is Gboysiam ( http://www.gboysiam.com/picpost ). Many of the boys who post personals on that site include their telephone numbers. I never call them directly. I send a text message first. If they're interested, they get back to me very quickly. Then we talk.

 

There are several more good hookup sites too. If a boy has changed his user name on that site or on Gay Romeo, so what? I've already said there is not necessarily anything sinister in that. Many do that just to cause them to appear as new users and, hopefuly, have a better chance at getting responses. I don't even recall seeing a boy change his user name because of negative comments in his guestbook. If anything, they just lock their guestbook.

 

In an unfamiliar city or small town where there are no gay venues, I can spend time trying to find hookups on my own (and that's usually easy to do). I can also get online and find hookups that way. It's a matter of personal preference.

 

Less than two months ago I was traveling in Issan. One of my stops was in a rural town out in the middle of nowhere. I stopped there to visit a boy I had become friendly with in Pattaya. He had since moved back home. While I was there, he and some of his friends took me to a waterfall, about 30 miles from the town. Even out there, where I may be one of the few farang ever to go there, not one, but two boys came on to me. I could easily have had either one of them (and both were my type too!). All it takes is eye contact and a smile. The only reason I didn't do anything more than chat and flirt was because I was already with the boy I had come to visit.

 

Anyone who has seen me already knows my looks would have to improve just to look terrible, and yet I never have problems finding a hookup. And often enough, it's a hookup who will not accept money even when I offer it. They never seem to mind having me pay for everything we do, but quite often they make it quite clear they are not money boys.

 

If it works for me, rest assured it can work for just about anybody. So, you really do have a choice. You can go out boy hunting or you can get online. Either way seems to work just fine.

[Guest fountainhall]

Another good site is Gboysiam ( http://www.gboysiam.com/picpost )

The blockers are at work again. I got this message when I clicked on the link here in Bangkok -

 

Sorry for your inconvenience,

The web site you are accessing has been blocked by the Order of the Criminal Courts

[Gaybutton]

The blockers are at work again. I got this message when I clicked on the link here in Bangkok -

That's strange. It hasn't been blocked in Pattaya and a hell of a lot of the personals posted on that site are from boys living in Bangkok and posting their ads from Bangkok.

 

I also have not heard of any criminal cases being brought against that site or any of the other personals sites. I have a feeling you are the victim of a hacker, not an official site blocking.

[Guest]

I also don't know why you keep harping about Gay Romeo. I keep saying it's a good hookup site, but it isn't the only hookup site. Another good site is Gboysiam ( http://www.gboysiam.com/picpost ).

 

I tried registering for that one before my trip & the registration process failed.

May well try & register between now & the next trip.

[Gaybutton]

I tried registering for that one before my trip & the registration process failed.

If you are talking about the Gboysiam site, you don't need to be registered. I'm not registered. Just click on the guy's photo and the info you need to make contact will pop up on a separate page.

[firecat69]

I took a look at gboysiam. Interesting but looks like reading Thai would make it much better. Many of the listings even the location is in Thai.

 

Anyways a quick run down of today. I needed a rest so saw no boys during the day. Went to Sunee for dinner and Beer Bar visits. I decided to go to Boystown and get a sure thing. Boy I mentioned before who was working in Chiang Mai and now at Cupidol. Went in and sat down but did not see him. I asked and he did not come to work tonight. There were 4 customers at 1015pm and about 14 boys. Nothing really grabbed me so off I went to Star Boys. Stuck my head in the door and no customers and 6 boys.

 

Now I headed down to Sawatdee , hoping to see that boy I had met on his first night working. He was not there so probably offed .

 

I figured I would go to Funnyboys and get the boy I have seen on this trip . Well he had been offed. Only 5 customers and some cute boys but I was just not in the mood to get someone new. Went to Family Mart and then caught a baht bus home.

 

Fired up Gayromeo and saw one of my favorites online. He had gone to Bangkok for a few days so I was hoping he would be back.

 

Unfortunately he was still in Bangkok but asked me to take a friend of his and gave me his name on Gayromeo, I too a look and told my friend that he was cute. He said please take him and pay him same you pay me which is a little extra over my norm.

 

I figured there was a story here so I pressed the issue. I asked my friend if new boy knew what I liked to do. He said yes and no problem. then again he said please take him.

 

Turns out the kid is his room mate and some rent was due. I figured what are friends for. I told him I would contact him.

 

I did and he said he could come over right away. I said ok and then told my friend he would owe me especially if his friend was not as good as him.

 

Well the new kid was really good and so I guess room is paid for another week.

 

Still appears to me that GoGo business is way down . I did not see a single stunner tonight and not even , really lot of good looking ones.

 

Tomorrow I will attempt to go to Daves Man club and report

[Gaybutton]

I took a look at gboysiam. Interesting but looks like reading Thai would make it much better. Many of the listings even the location is in Thai.

Google Translate usually yields incomprehensible gibberish, but it will at least tell you accurately where the boy is located. Most seem to be located in Bangkok. Also, if the boy has written his telephone number in Thai, Google Translate is usually accurate about that as well.

[Guest Astrrro]

Firecat, I have a boring question about View Talay 6, I know not as juicy as the rest of the thread but I have a friend coming to town and am considering booking him there. I popped in very early the other morning but the rental office was closed.

 

You mentioned you love the location. Is this due to being close to the beach, close to Central Festival, on the baht bus route, or some other factor? Furnishings nice and a good view?

[firecat69]

You mentioned you love the location. Is this due to being close to the beach, close to Central Festival, on the baht bus route, or some other factor? Furnishings nice and a good view?

It's the location for me. Many times stayed in Jomtien including View Talays. I hate motorbikes so having to put up with the ridiculous traffic for the baht buses sucked.. Also long ride home after getting boy especially from Boyztown. View Talay 6 can walk out the back and exit on Beach Road , easy walk or baht Bus to Boyztown or Soi Yensabi. Same in reverse easy and short ride home.

 

That being said I am used to a little bit of luxury and the unit I am renting even though it is only 48 sq meter, has a 50 inch Flat screen, wood floors , big cabinets and Big Rain Shower. Of course like all View Talays they have a big pool and plenty of laundry services.

 

I rented from http://www.dancewatchers.com and think the level of finish might be better then some other rentals. I am probably paying extra for that but at 1300 baht, I have no complaints.

 

I am on the wrong side of the building and do not have a good view. Maybe if I was staying a month that would bother me but 1 week I don't care.

 

Being next to Central Festival is nice for killing some time during the day in air conditioned comfort.

 

That's all I can think of to tell you.

[Gaybutton]

Being next to Central Festival is nice for killing some time during the day in air conditioned comfort.

I can hardly believe it! With all of your adventures, you still actually have time to kill too? How do you do it????