Putin's terrorist thugs attack concert hall: 40 dead, 100+ wounded (so far)

[reader]

Putin is unusually reserved because he dismissed warnings from US that attack was imminent, including specific mention of a concert venue. In other words he is embarrassed that he didn't act.

Not unlike Netanyahu who failed to take seriously US warning of Oct. 6 attacks by Hamas.

 

[stevenkesslar]

8 minutes ago, Kostik said:

At a time when the world is crying, when it is necessary to unite against terror,

YES!  YES!  YES!

The world needs to unite against the genocidal sadist.

143 countries condemn Russia's annexations in Ukraine

 

Genocide Man is incompetent, too, it appears.  He can't win a genocide, and he can't stop terrorists.

What evil outrageous deceitful thing will Genocide Man do next?

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The attack, the deadliest in Russia in years, is a major embarrassment to the Russian leader and happened just days after he cemented his grip on the country for another six years in a vote that followed the harshest crackdown on dissent since the Soviet times.

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Some commentators on Russian social media questioned how authorities, who have relentlessly suppressed any opposition activities and muzzled independent media, failed to prevent the attack despite the U.S. warnings.

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The attack came two weeks after the U.S. embassy in Moscow issued a notice urging Americans to avoid crowded places in view of “imminent” plans by extremists to target large Moscow gatherings, including concerts. The warning was repeated by several other Western embassies.

Genocide Man is already lying and using this to defend his genocide in Ukraine. 

[Kostik]

2 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

needs

I don't expect anything else. The moral freaks have become more active as always. They are happy about terrorist attacks, genocide and death

We see another bird from stevenkesslar. As usual, he repeats the false propaganda of the United States. Not a single fact. Well, it's like a regular one

We mourn the victims of the terrorist attack, and stevenkesslar, as he likes, publishes propaganda.  I have never seen a more cynical and cruel person than stevenkesslar.

[vinapu]

42 minutes ago, Kostik said:

But I am very disappointed by your support for terrorism and genocide. I expected this from freaks like stevenkesslar, but not from you

Thank you for the clip, Listening it I thought to myself , it doesn't start well if president of country who recently ordered his troops to attack his neighbor  mourns loss of lives  of innocent children. 

I don't support neither terrorism and genocide  nor aggressive wars to satisfy dreams about past imperial glory. I'm just pointing that Russia identifies her enemies incorrectly and that is a reason is vulnerable  to attacks like recent. 

War in Ukraine causes daily gigantically higher  loss of Russian lives that that attack in Moscow and it would be good if Russian  society started to count those . 

As for propaganda I got excellent , life  lasting,  vaccination being present in USSR  in the last week of April 1986, far from both Chernobyl and truth.

[vinapu]

38 minutes ago, KeepItReal said:

Holy dancing cossacks! Could this thread get any weirder?

 

what we need  to supplement is famous painting " Cossaks writing  letter to the Sultan" 

[stevenkesslar]

1 minute ago, Kostik said:

Not a single fact.

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IS, which lost much of its ground after Russia’s military action in Syria, has long targeted Russia. In a statement posted by the group's Aamaq news agency, IS's Afghanistan affiliate said it had attacked a large gathering of “Christians” in Krasnogorsk.

My heart goes out to all the Russians, particularly ethnic minorities in a racist, homophobic country, who Genocide Man will send off to be processed into fertilizer because of this.  Genocide Man is using lies and terror to sow hate and war.  Genocide Man will say anything.  Genocide Man says Jew are Nazis and they must be kllled.  How many Russians does Genocide Man have to kill with his lies, hate, and mass murder?

[Kostik]

2 minutes ago, vinapu said:

War in Ukraine causes daily gigantically higher  loss of Russian lives that that attack in Moscow

This is a grief for all Russians. The United States began fighting in 2014... The whole of Russia is crying for all the victims of this war. But there is no problem for the United States, the United States is counting the proceeds from the war that they started in 2014

[vinapu]

2 minutes ago, Kostik said:

This is a grief for all Russians. The United States began fighting in 2014... The whole of Russia is crying for all the victims of this war. But there is no problem for the United States, the United States is counting the proceeds from the war that they started in 2014

no doubt , no doubt, that was the year USA wrestled Crimea from Ukraine and made it 51st state and then Russia came to Ukraine's rescue wrestling it back and reinstating borders to where they were ? 

[stevenkesslar]

7 minutes ago, Kostik said:

The United States began fighting in 2014...

Genocide Man invaded Crimea in 2014.  Genocide Man has been orchestrating genocide ever since.

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A U.S. intelligence official told the AP that American intelligence agencies had gathered information in recent weeks that the IS branch was planning an attack in Moscow, and that U.S. officials had privately shared the intelligence earlier this month with Russian officials.

The US tried to prevent the mass murder of its own citizens, and of Russians.

Genocide Man garners no sympathy from the US or the world when he lies in defense of his genocide after a tragedy.

Genocide Man, even in a moment of horrible tragedy, is about genocide and lies.  That was predictable as soon as Genocide Man had his surrogate Medvedev talk about killing Ukrainians without mercy yesterday.  Including state officials.  Who knows what other lies and horror Genocide Man is now cooking up for Ukrainians and poor innocent Russians.

[Kostik]

1 minute ago, vinapu said:

51st state

Let's talk about what happened in 2014. The United States has committed an illegal coup in Ukraine. The Republic of Crimea was against the violation of this basic law. Crimea has separated from Ukraine.
Then the Crimean state decided to join Russia. Russia was glad to return the ancestral lands inhabited by Russians

Yes, and then the lying American propaganda lied as usual. But everyone got used to it and did not believe the Americans.
I was in Crimea after returning to Russia. Perhaps the propaganda lied to you about something, as always. In Crimea, people are happy to return to Russia. Only thieves who, thanks to the Ukrainian authorities, illegally acquired something in the Crimea are not happy (Makarevich, for example, look who he is)

[stevenkesslar]

Who’s to blame for the Moscow concert hall attack?

Some Russians blame lax security for the horrific attack claimed by ISIL. But a few analysts recall a darker pattern from Russia’s modern history.

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Some experts agree with Chanysheva – given post-Soviet Russia’s history of lethal attacks on crowded public places that dates back to when Moscow started the second Chechen war a quarter of a century ago. But other analysts and Russian opposition groups argue that an even darker possibility cannot be ruled out: they point to potential political gains for President Vladimir Putin from the Friday massacre.

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The intelligence services received repeated warnings from the West – including a public alert from the United States on March 8.

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“The Embassy is monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and US citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours,” the country’s mission in Moscow wrote on X.

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But days later, on March 19, Russian President Vladimir Putin snubbed that warning about possible attacks in Moscow, and described it as “blackmail”.

To put this in another context, AlJazeera is doing really good reporting on reactions on the Arab Street of views of the United States for arming Israel as Netanyahu conducts a genocide in Gaza.  Just when you think Arab opinion about the US could not get worse, it did.  So it's interesting that in this instance, less than a day after a horrific attack, they are laying out the cold facts objectively.

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, Kostik said:

Then the Crimean state decided to join Russia. Russia was glad to return the ancestral lands inhabited by Russians

 

exercise well rehearsed in 1940 when Baltic states joyfully and forever joined USSR.

Crimea is ancestral land but not of Russians who driven out or annihilated it's previous occupants Tatars after Catherine conquered it at end of XVIII century. No doubt if institution of referendum was invented already  they would join Russia gladly and in haste.

There's no doubt that Kadyrow would be able to orchestrate referendum on Chechnya's independence in less than a week and made sure 97.8 % would vote for separation with 98.16 % of attendance. Then me and whole world would wonder if Russia , so attached to popular will in Crimea  it seems  , allowed her to go.

 

[Marc in Calif]

4 hours ago, Kostik said:

Thanks to this topic! Zadornov once said that Americans are morons. You have confirmed it. Well done. The United States sponsored the terrorist attack, and Americans are now applauding the victims of the terrorist attack. You morons!

Little Putin is totally responsible. His terrorist thugs just murdered more than 130 innocent Russian civilians on his orders.

Were those civilians political opponents? No. Were those civilians breaking any of Putin's stupid, anti-democratic laws? No. 

Is there no end to Putin's evil behavior? 

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, Marc in Calif said:

Little Putin is totally responsible. His terrorist thugs just murdered more than 130 innocent Russian civilians on his orders.

At the very least, the way Medvedev and then Putin immediately lashed out at Ukraine creates the impression that this is a logical explanation.  As well as Putin's decades long history of terror and mass murder against Russians.  What I found particularly chilling was that Medvedev pointedly said that Ukrainian state officials deserve to be killed without mercy "if" they are somehow found responsible.  That sounds like a possible rationale for assassinations to me.

Medvedev has a habit of threatening heads of state with execution.  What a sweetie!

This is why Russia is deeply fucked for decades to come.  The normal rules of civilization and decency no longer apply.  Name any other country where this happened - the Bali bar bombings, Paris, London - and the world immediately reacted in unconditional sympathy for victims and outrage against the terrorists.  We are seeing a shadow of that, with genuine statements of sympathy for the victims.  But now the world is left wondering what evil Putin is plotting next.  Whether it is because Putin did this, or terrorists did it and Genocide Man will simply use to rationalize genocide, is to some degree beside the point.

Trump and Russiagate come to mind.  Let's not underestimate Genocide Man's stupidity and incompetence.  There were so many bizarre things Trump did, including trying to impede Mueller's investigation, that it sure seemed like he had to be in cahoots with Putin.  And certainly Genocide Man has done Trump favors.  Like when his Russian oligarch cronies funded Truth Social when it close to going broke.  But after Mueller issued his report, my conclusion was that it could all be explained by Trump's stupidity and incompetence.  So it could be that Genocide Man didn't plot the attack on his own people, and is now simply trying to cover up his stupidity and incompetence with more genocide.

This is consistent with Genocide Man's history of incompetence.  Or, if you prefer, his cold-blooded ruthlessness.  When terrorists took over a theater in 2002, most Russians died because Putin had them poisoned to death.  Not because terrorists killed them. 

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Hostage Anna Andrianova, a correspondent for Moskovskaya Pravda, called Echo of Moscow radio studio and told on-air in a live broadcast interview that the government forces had begun an operation by pumping gas into the hall:

It seems to us that the Russians have started something. Please, give us a chance. If you can do anything, please do! ... I don't know which gas it is. But I see [the Chechens'] reactions. They don't want our deaths, and our officials want none of us to leave alive! I don't know. We see it, we feel it, we are breathing through our clothes. ... It began from outside. That's what our government has decided – that no one should leave from here alive. ....^{[39][better source needed]}

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Doctor Andrei Seltsovsky, Moscow's health committee chairman, announced that all but one of the hostages killed in the raid had died from the effects of the unknown gas rather than from gunshot wounds.^[58] The cause of death listed for all hostages was declared to be "terrorism," claiming they died from heart attacks or other physical ailments.^[56]

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President Putin was unhappy with the coverage of the hostage crisis by NTV, the last nationwide TV channel effectively independent of the government. In January 2003 the management of NTV was replaced, resulting in a profound effect on its editorial policy.^[74][75][76]

There is good news.  The number of tourists avoiding Russia can't get any smaller.  Nobody wanted to visit Genocide World, anyway.

[Marc in Calif]

8 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

As well as Putin's decades long history of terror and mass murder against Russians.

This is why Russia is deeply fucked for decades to come.  The normal rules of civilization and decency no longer apply. 

The number of tourists avoiding Russia can't get any smaller. Nobody wanted to visit Genocide World, anyway.

True. Russia has always received VERY few tourists compared to more attractive and popular countries in the world that have much smaller populations.

Meanwhile...

ITA’s National Travel and Tourism Office (NTTO) forecasts the total volume of international visitation to the United States to increase to 77.7 million in 2024, up 10.4 million, or 15.4% from 67.3 million visitors in 2023. NTTO also estimates international visitation to reach 85.2 million in 2025, surpassing pre-pandemic 2019 visitation of 79.4 million.

Additionally, according to NTTO’s forecast, the United States is on track to reach 91 million visitors in 2026, exceeding the five-year goal of 90 million international visitors by 2027 set in the National Travel and Tourism Strategy.

[vinapu]

24 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

ITA’s National Travel and Tourism Office (NTTO) forecasts the total volume of international visitation to the United States to increase to 77.7 million in 2024,

it could be possibly more if American immigration officials on border were acting more friendly, on that account Europe beats North America hands down 

[stevenkesslar]

48 minutes ago, vinapu said:

it could be possibly more if American immigration officials on border were acting more friendly, on that account Europe beats North America hands down 

It's interesting looking back at the political consequences of the events of about a decade ago in Syria today.  Some of the things that seemed like victories at the time set the stage for future losses.  And some of the things that felt like debacles turned out not to matter so much.

Genocide Man's intervention in Syria set the stage for Ukraine.  It helped create Putin's reputation as a bad ass force that was not to be challenged, and got what it wanted.  I think that is a good example of the Powell Doctrine of having limited and winnable military objectives.  When Bush 41 did that in Iraq, it worked.  When Bush 43 ignored the Powell Doctrine and went for total victory in Iraq, it led to a debacle and genocide.  In the same way, Putin's limited military success in Syria helped set the stage for his debacle in Ukraine.  He's not such a bad ass anymore.

Syria also set the stage for over 1 million refugees flowing into Europe.  While Turkey took half of them, Germany ended up with over half a million, and Sweden was #2 with over 100,000.  At the time Merkel and Germans were mostly widely praised.  Eventually it became clear that anti-immigrant movements grew quickly.  And helped right wing parties rise in both nations, and across Europe.  That said, Germany is run by a left-of-center coalition.  Sweden just joined NATO.  

We'll see how this turns out in November in the US.  If Trump manages to win on an anti-immigrant wave, it may make Obama's policy of being "Deporter In Chief" look wise in retrospect.  But you are right that Europe has been more welcoming.  And has mostly managed to avoid a reaction so strong that rightwing anti-immigrant parties took over.  Of course, the millions of Ukrainians who have flowed into Europe are poster children for why Putin's genocide must be stopped.

[stevenkesslar]

Well, he did it.

I suppose he couldn't help himself.  Genocide Man is all about genocide.  Genocide Man is all about death.  

Major missile barrage targets Kyiv, western Ukraine

The innocent dead in Moscow have not yet been buried, and Putin has already dishonored them by telling lies about who murdered them.  Genocide Man further dishonors the victims of terror by using it as a pretext to ramp up his genocide and kill children.  The barrage he launched on Ukraine has killed a bunch of children in the last 24 hours.

Genocide Man is probably trying to cover up his incompetence.  If he admitted it was Isis, he'd have to admit he ignored warnings and dropped the ball.  Mass murderers can't have a reputation for incompetence.  Even though Genocide Man does.  

The good news for NATO and Europe and democratic allies is Genocide Man can't win World War III.  He can't even beat an army in Ukraine.  The three things that have been consistent since the war started is his incompetence, his lies, and his cold-blooded genocide.

There are only two reasons Genocide Man has not lost the war already.  He is willing to kill as many Ukrainians as it takes.  Men, women, children, and dogs.  And he is willing to process as many Russians into fertilizer as it takes.  The horror in Moscow is one day's work on the slaughter fields of Ukraine.  Genocide Man will throw millions of his own people into the meat grinder to uphold his lies, his power, and his wealth.

 

 

[Stable Genius]

A lead Kremlin propagandist, Margarita Simonyan, the head of state broadcaster RT, was already claiming on Saturday that the Americans’ warning ahead of the attack indicated they were participants in preparing it.

 

If you have to lie for goodness sake make the lies a bit more plausible

[unicorn]

On 3/22/2024 at 11:59 PM, Moses said:

... in Russia, the death penalty is not used ...

Who needs a death penalty when you can just murder in cold blood...

[Moses]

4 hours ago, unicorn said:

Who needs a death penalty when you can just murder in cold blood...

Any state murder in cold blood. States has has monopoly to murder own citizens. 

 

[Moses]

On 3/25/2024 at 3:04 AM, Stable Genius said:

A lead Kremlin propagandist, Margarita Simonyan, the head of state broadcaster RT, was already claiming on Saturday that the Americans’ warning ahead of the attack indicated they were participants in preparing it.

You would decide whether to believe Simonyan or not. Either you call her a liar, or you cite her words as evidence. Because the position “here we believe because it is profitable, but here we don’t believe because it is not profitable” looks very doubtful.

Kirby specifically said at his press conference: "We told the Russians about a possible terrorist attack, but we did not give any details."

And about the progress of the investigation: arrests of participants in the preparation of the terrorist attack in Crocus are currently underway in Turkey and Tajikistan. The FSB collected enough evidence for the intelligence services of these countries to make arrests. Preliminary information: the perpetrators of the terrorist attack were members of an ISIS cell based in Tajikistan. The terrorist attack was ordered and financed from Ukraine.

[vinapu]

20 hours ago, Moses said:

 The terrorist attack was ordered and financed from Ukraine.

sounds like old " today question, yesterday answer " saying

[Moses]

4 hours ago, vinapu said:

sounds like old " today question, yesterday answer " saying

Actually, it sounds like the old saying “look for who benefits.”

The performers were a disposable tool for the customers, so the customers did not hide much: they transferred finances to the performers to buy cars, weapons, and rent apartments through cryptocurrency.

And, thanks to the myth of the anonymity of cryptocurrencies, the performers did not hide their financial tracks. Therefore, after the funds transfer channel was discovered, the FSB 4 days ago conducted searches in 2 cryptocurrency exchange offices and obtained blockchain data. And then it’s a matter of technology: the chain of transfers was unwound from the recipient to the sender, fortunately the blockchain stores absolutely all the data and it is impossible to change or correct it.

https://www.wired.com/story/gadget-lab-podcast-585/

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, Moses said:

Actually, it sounds like the old saying “look for who benefits.”

 

Don't say that  as main beneficiary seems to be Putin's regime as that tragedy allows him to sing his war song even louder while enabling to terrorize own population even more. 

Aim of terror attacks is rarely to obtain benefit unless directed at somebody very high in chain command, definitely not a case in this tragedy. Usually only aim is just to  to terrorize.