Tawan This Past Tuesday

[Guest kjun12]

Went to Tawan with three friends on Tuesday night. The show was an abbreviated version of the ones I've seen on a weekend night but still OK. The boys showed all they have and even some fucking and sucking. Had a lot of fun while seated on the first row from the stage. Never have picked up one of those muscle boys but sure would like to try one.

 

Also went to Future Boys but it was dismal at the late show since we were the only people in the place. They did put on a short fuck show for us.

 

That's the report!

[Guest fountainhall]

Also went to Future Boys but it was dismal at the late show since we were the only people in the place

 

All the reports I have had indicate Future Boys has gone way downhill this year. X-Boys seems to be the most lively bar in that soi.

[Guest Schadenfreude]

This is a late reply to the October 1 post. I too was at Tawan on that very night. I took a friendly-looking guy off after the show, and spent about 35 minutes (pre-shower to post-shower) with him in a short-time hotel. While he wasn

[Guest gay_grampa]

So you did not chat to the guy before taking him off?

At the very least you should find out what he is prepared to do and how much he wants before committing yourself to taking him off.

[Guest Schadenfreude]

In response to your tiresome question and admonition - and if you really need that much information - yes, it was discussed beforehand - at the bar - what he would do (oral), but in fact did not happen when the time came. That was not the problem, nor was the shortness of the time; I didn

[Gaybutton]

In response to your tiresome question and admonition

I agree completely with your first post, but I don't understand why you are upset with gay_grampa's question. The question seemed perfectly legitimate to me. He was merely inquiring as to whether anything was discussed in advance. Many people don't realize that it's often a good idea to clarify everything at the outset and gay_grampa had no way of knowing whether you did or not.

 

Meanwhile, I think you were absolutely right to go back and bring this to the owner's attention, especially since you apparently did discuss the arrangements beforehand. That kind of an attitude on a boy's part can ruin the entire evening. I also agree he was foolish to react that way. Unless he is overflowing with customers, he ought to have considered himself lucky to be getting 1500 baht.

 

You called this a "petty event." I don't think it's so petty at all. You spent money in the bar, probably spent money buying the guy the obligatory drink, paid the off fee, paid for a short time room, and gave him 1500 baht. I'm guessing you spent around 2500 baht, maybe even more, by the time you were done and your evening ended up ruined by this boy's ingrate attitude. I don't see your complaint as petty. I think your complaint is completely proper. If that happened to me, I think I would have reacted just as you did.

[Guest fountainhall]

I know how Schadenfeude feels. Over 30 years of visiting Thailand and then living here, I can recall a handful of instances where boys have poured scorn on the offered tips and suggested it should be as much as Bt. 1,000 more. The times I had with the boys had been OK, certainly nothing to shout about but more than acceptable, and I felt reasonably satisfied. What really got me annoyed was that the nagging for more cash destroyed those feelings, and bugged me for days.

 

Later I accepted there will always be some guys who feel it's worth trying for more. Bad apples? Perhaps. But I decided just to chalk it up as part of the Thailand experience and, provided it happened only very rarely in future, I'd try not to let it piss me off. I think that is what one has to do because, as Schadenfreude himself adds, "it’s so unimportant in the big picture". In such circumstances, I subsequently found a laugh and a smile will disarm the boy and defuse any tension.

 

Bringing it to a bar manager's attention is the right thing to do. But taking it out on a bar manager with threats to post on Boards with limited readership or not to return will, sadly - and unfortunately, have precious little effect. Plus, as some visitors are not so aware, here in Thailand losing your temper may make you feel better, but you look rather a fool to the Thais. It's just part of the culture.

 

Where I disagree with Schadenfreude, though, is the suggestion that boys are 'corrupted' as a result of some visitors paying "huge tips". I just don't buy that. Maybe others will disagree, but I think that boy was simply 'trying it on'. In other words, acting like almost every vendor plying his wares along Silom, Sukhumvit and any other street market in Thailand.

[Guest gay_grampa]

... As for the truly tiresome pre-discussion of money, the fee schedule is already well-known to everyone, as you can see in the most recent topics.

 

Tawan is a very different type of gogo bar to most others. The muscle men make it a 'Specialist' bar. They are often taken by customers who tip much more than the minimum 1500 (next time you are berating the owner get him to tell you about the muscle men who have been given condos, motorcycles, holidays in Phuket or shopping trips to Singapore).

For this reason alone it is wise to agree the tip before both you and the 'boy' are disappointed.

[Guest Schadenfreude]

Perhaps some readers have missed the point. Ultimately, it

[Bob]

Perhaps some readers have missed the point. Ultimately, it

[Guest kjun12]

Nah, I don't think so. Before beginning my comments I would note:

(1) Sometimes we posters are particularly peeved at something and, while we understand what we're trying to say, we are perhaps less than majestic in making our points; and

(2) Sometimes we receive comments we didn't expect and/or actually don't like (and, if that's not something in your playbook, I'd suggest you stop reading my responsive post right now).

 

While I can sympathize with a evening with a disappointing trick - afterall, that's all we're really talking about here or at least that's the tone of your original post in this thread - hey, that's life, move on. But your initial post made the point that you were pissed off, "marched" back to the bar, used the word "stupid" so many times, and in so many words suggested you were going to post the story on message board and did the owner know that a lot of falangs read such things (which, perhaps, didn't need to explained to the owner unless, of course, he's stupid too.....).

 

In my view - sorry if you don't like it - the manner in which you dealt with the disappointing trick was not all that helpful. As you note, you're still "vexed" with it (which, frankly, you really didn't need to add as even us dolt readers gathered that you're still rather pissed off about it). Go have a beer, calm down, and move on. And perhaps next time you could make your point to the owner a little better by not using the word "stupid" 20 times, not threatening never to come back again, and not threatening to spread the story on a public message board?

Right on man. This psuedo-Kraut can give it out but he can't take it. He reminds me of an old wet hen.

[Guest FlipPansy]

Is it really important how much anyone pays and it is up to us, isn

[Guest taylorsquare]

KJUN12 ,I think your racist comment against Schadenfreude was uncalled for.

Im sorry you have so much hatred against a nationality.

Maybe you have good reason,im sure you are a nice person but dont you think everyone posting on this board is the same as you and deserves respect regardless of race,culture nationality etc.

 

 

 

 

Schadenfreude,

 

I think this happened to all of us and I agree that you done the right thing in telling the owner.

I try to get a "qoute" if you can call it that before leaving the bar and make sure the off understands it.

I certainly would not have gave him 2000 baht for short time probaly not even 1500 b for the 40 minutes you had with him.

I too have been caught so its far better to get a agreeded price before leaving the bar.

I think you were doing the owner a favour by alerting him to this.

However put it down to experience .

Remember that guy would try it with every customer.

[Guest fountainhall]

KJUN12 ,I think your racist comment against Schadenfreude was uncalled for.

Im sorry you have so much hatred against a nationality.

 

I agree with taylorsquare. But reading schadenfreude's well-penned prose and as suggested by kjun12's uncalled for comment, I somehow doubt that Schadenfreude is German.

[Guest kjun12]

KJUN12 ,I think your racist comment against Schadenfreude was uncalled for.

Im sorry you have so much hatred against a nationality.

Maybe you have good reason,im sure you are a nice person but dont you think everyone posting on this board is the same as you and deserves respect regardless of race,culture nationality etc.

 

Taylor & others,

 

Sorry I offended with my "pseudo-kraut" comment. It was not used to insult Germans because I did not think that he is a German. Hence, the "pseudo". It was intended to be a dig at him but not a terrible insult. Hope this soothes you're injured feelings.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Using racial slurs to insult a person is very low. If you wish to insult them, do so on the merits of what they post not their national origin, skin color or religion.

[Guest fountainhall]

I did not think that he is a German. Hence, the "pseudo"

 

As someone pointed out about one of my posts on another thread, there is always a danger that a comment will 'look' rather different to what one means to say when it appears in writing. This is especially true of sarcasm. But then, if we're all going to have to think before we write and cut out any 'pointed' reference, this Board will get pretty boring pretty quickly. I did not agree with kjun12's original comment but am grateful to him for the clarification.