Guest lazarus Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 After following an earlier thread which generated quite some discussion on the Moderator, GB, perhaps it is time to hear form the forum members as to their thoughts? Just what do you expect from a Moderator and do you think that, in his role, has GB over stepped your personal limits? For me, I see, on this forum, a Moderator who's role is far different than I observe on other gay related forums. There,they seem to be more a back seat driver rather than the captain of the ship who's authority is the final word and not to be questioned. I don't advocate anarchy on this forum but reasonable dissent, without being intimidated by a moderator, would be and should be accepted and respected. Is this unreasonable? Yes, I know, I can start my own forum and, on the way out, not let the door hit me in the ass.
Guest Oogleman Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 gaybutton doesnt intimidate me in the slightest. Forums are not democracies as much as we would like them to be. The onwers and mods are accountable, whereas the posters are not ( unless they can be somehow identified) We live by their rules or leave them...simple as that. Its up to US. We all know from other forums that some posters are shall we say in need of medication so without firm moderation things can go downhill very quickly. For perspective i would advise people to volunteer to moderate a forum for a while to see how easy its not- a lot of deletions occur , lots of editing and messages to be dealt with that most of you are unaware of at all. Trying to keep everyone happy is not easy at all. I think GB sincerely tries his best. I have never met GB or GT ( i dont think so anyways - i do get tipsy at times lol) but from reading their very helpful posts over the years i`m sure i will like them when i do.
Guest lvdkeyes Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Let me preface this by saying, although I know both GT and GB, I am not part of the "inner circle". IMO some posters here really need to get a life and stop belly aching about how the site is run and/or moderated. Take it for what it is; a source of information and not a place to grind your personal axes. I am not going to condemn or defend GB or GT, but I think it is time to move on past all this childishness. I would dare to say that the posters who are themost vocal against the site are also the most invisible.
Guest Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 If there is an inner circle I wish someone would tell me. I love being a part of the party. When I see GayButton I greet him, "Oh Captain my Captain." He answers, "yes, my son." I hope that sheds some light on things. He is almost like my parish priest when I was a child, except I can't seem to get him to fondle me. I saw this topic and thought, "oh great. my in-box will be flooded with volunteers to moderate." Instead, I see this thread. I'll leave it up as I am curious to see where it goes. But, if it turns into an attack on GB, I'll close it as fast as I came today at Adonis Massage (and I won't leave the minimum suggested tip).
KhorTose Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 gaybutton doesnt intimidate me in the slightest. Forums are not democracies as much as we would like them to be. The onwers and mods are accountable, whereas the posters are not ( unless they can be somehow identified) We live by their rules or leave them...simple as that. Its up to US. We all know from other forums that some posters are shall we say in need of medication so without firm moderation things can go downhill very quickly. For perspective i would advise people to volunteer to moderate a forum for a while to see how easy its not- a lot of deletions occur , lots of editing and messages to be dealt with that most of you are unaware of at all. Trying to keep everyone happy is not easy at all. I think GB sincerely tries his best. I have never met GB or GT ( i dont think so anyways - i do get tipsy at times lol) but from reading their very helpful posts over the years i`m sure i will like them when i do. I find it interesting that you have never met GB. One of the main reasons for some of the policies is that he is so well known in the community and there may be a backlash against him if something was said about illegal activity in the bars. No one on this board that I know of has any problem with GT. He seems to be a very nice guy. You are one, if not the finest moderators on all of the boards, but you have your own board, I would ask that you spend more time here and see what really goes on. To give you an example our latest spat has attracted comment on Baht stop where people are afraid to post their comments here. http://www.baht-stop.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6715&hl= I further agree that GB has provided the community with a lot of information and done a lot of good over the years, but when you reach a point where good people are leaving the board because anyone who dares to disagree with the moderator is put down and told to leave before the door hits them in the ass, then you have a problem. I enjoy many of the posters on this board and find the owner's continuing story of his life in Thailand to be interesting and informative, but I too am ready to leave if things do not get better. Yes, it is a thankless job, but you and others do it without the constant turmoil and anger that occurs all to often on this board with the moderator often the instigator, not the moderator, of it. If I can get their permission I will name two people who regularly visit Ting and Tong with no problems, who will not post here because of the above. When I am settled in CM, I may very well take you up on your offer to try moderating a board (assuming you still need help as your board seems to have no problem attacting good people to be moderators). If I do, you and not GB, will be my model to emulate.
Gaybutton Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 I've been silent today through all this, until now. You want to know how I feel about it? YAWN. I've lost count of the number of times I've been subjected to these kinds of attacks. Doesn't bother me a bit. If it did, I would already have left the boards years ago. The idea that I harass people on the basis that they disagree with me is utter nonsense. I don't do that. I don't care very much whether people agree with me or not. When they get subjected to my "wrath" it has nothing to do with whether they disagree. A few around here keep trying to tell me how to be a moderator. Go right ahead and compare me to moderators on other gay Thailand boards. I've been around a lot longer than any of them. Announcement: I'm not going to change my ways, my methods, or the manner by which I phrase my posts. I'm certainly not going to do it just because convincing GT to get rid of me has now become the personal obsession (so far anyway) of two posters. If you like the way I do things, fine. If you don't, that's your problem. As long as GT wishes to keep me on as a moderator, I'm going to do it exactly as I always have. GT can ask me or demand of me to stop being his moderator any time he wants. If he wants me to go, I'll go. If he wants me to stay, I'll stay. But rest assured that either way I'm not going to change a thing about what I do or how I do it, and I'm sure not going to let people put me on the defensive about it. I see no reason why GT needs to defend me either. If I feel a need to defend myself, believe me I'm perfectly capable of handling that for myself. So far, my favorite part of the whole day was finding out that someone thought he could threaten GT into getting rid of me. I find that highly amusing. I can just see this person sitting in front of his computer in a state of absolute rage. And they call me childish. Ok . . . By the way, Oogleman, you and I have met twice.
Guest Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Moderation here is fine. Sensible debate is permitted and the moderation is firm enough to discourage the obnoxious behaviour of the small number of illiterate trolls that are to be found on a certain other board.
Guest lazarus Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Let me preface this by saying, although I know both GT and GB, I am not part of the "inner circle". " get a life"/ "stop belly aching"/ "grind your personal axes"/ "past all this childishness"/ "themost vocal against the site are also the most invisible" Is this your response to my remark about reasonable dissent without intimidation?
Guest Oogleman Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 By the way, Oogleman, you and I have met twice. told ya i get tipsy lol i presume at the TT gatherings?
Gaybutton Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 i presume at the TT gatherings? Yes, that's where we met.
Guest HeyGay Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Basically its the same as any Club stick to the rules and you should be ok, sometimes you can negotiate, but the problem seems to be sometimes, the only one who can interpret the rules is GB as he sees them, many times not as the writer interprets them, and when you have control of the delete button, its easier to send the post the heaven, than try to breath life into it, if your in any doubt. It can be a thankless job at times I'm sure. The only difference is most moderators are faceless people, deleting and editing posts behind the scenes and never make comment, here this one likes to be very vocal, and a star in his own right. so put up with it or go else where simple, he could not make it much clearer.
KhorTose Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 The idea that I harass people on the basis that they disagree with me is utter nonsense. I don't do that. A few around here keep trying to tell me how to be a moderator. Go right ahead and compare me to moderators on other gay Thailand boards. I've been around a lot longer than any of them. If the idea is nonsense, then why do I see you continue to do it. You have been around a lot longer then the other moderators, but I do not remember a message board being that much of a part of your other board. As long as you argue and debate as a poster and not the man who deletes people who disagrees with him then I have no problem with your rantings. I am sorry that someone threatened Gaythailand, but that is just another example of the anger you arouse in some people. I am glad that you have LMTU supporting you. A really great reference to have. You must be very proud of that.
Gaybutton Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 If the idea is nonsense, then why do I see you continue to do it. Goooood. Keep it up. You don't really think you're capable of goading me into the defensive, do you? But I'll give you fair warning about one thing - your posts are now in the area of personal attacks. The rules about personal attacks apply to everyone, including you, even when those attacks are directed toward me. And we all know what I do when people cross me even slightly, don't we? After all, I'm a paranoid, power mad, control freak, who can't tell the difference between personal attacks and constructive criticism, remember? LMTU supporting me? Horrors! LMTU, please don't support me. KhorTose doesn't like it.
Guest lvdkeyes Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Is this your response to my remark about reasonable dissent without intimidation? It is my response to this whole bit of nonsense, not directed at anyone in particular.
KhorTose Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Goooood. Keep it up. You don't really think you're capable of goading me into the defensive, do you? But I'll give you fair warning about one thing - your posts are now in the area of personal attacks. The rules about personal attacks apply to everyone, including you, even when those attacks are directed toward me. And we all know what I do when people cross me even slightly, don't we? After all, I'm a paranoid, power mad, control freak, who can't tell the difference between personal attacks and constructive criticism, remember? LMTU supporting me? Horrors! LMTU, please don't support me. KhorTose doesn't like it. Okay here we go, what did I specifically say that was a personal attack? Please be exact as this is what you often do with discussions when someone disagrees with you, you turn it into a personal attack against you. Also, nowhere did I say I did not like LMTU supporting you, quite the contrary, I appauled it and still do.
Gaybutton Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Also, nowhere did I say I did not like LMTU supporting you, quite the contrary, I appauled it and still do. Oh, of course. Absolutely right . . . Please excuse me for about 15 minutes while I finish having my little laugh if you expect anyone to swallow that one.
KhorTose Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Oh, of course. Absolutely right . . . Please excuse me for about 15 minutes while I finish having my little laugh if you expect anyone to swallow that one. Yes, but when you stop laughing you might just tell me why when someone says you take disagreements personal, and you tell them that is nonsense, and they reply no that is what I see, their disagreement, becomes a personal attack. I would love to hear an explanation. Let me guess this is were you say I don't have to explain anything to you or anyone else.
Gaybutton Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Let me guess this is were you say I don't have to explain anything to you or anyone else. That's a very good guess. You're right, I don't have to. In you're case I'm simply not going to bother. I'm through responding to you. If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, that's your choice, but you're going to have to play alone.
Guest Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Special thanks to HeyGay who remained a gentleman in this conversation. Let me Tell You, I am impressed! Thread closed!
