Gaybutton Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Note: Since there is an ongoing debate on another thread about venues being named, I want to point out that if it has been reported in the media, now naming the venue is fair game. That is consistent with what I have said all along. The following appears in the PATTAYA DAILY NEWS: for photos, see: http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.p...NEWS=0000009788 _____ UNDER AGE DANCERS, DRUG USE UNCOVERED IN PATTAYA GAY BAR RAID Pattaya, July 20 [PDN] : On the evening of 19th July 2009, acting on a tip off, Pattaya police raided a gay bar in central Pattaya and found 14 boy dancers under the age of 20, many of whom tested positive for drugs. At 11.00 pm, a police team together with a volunteer team paid an unexpected visit to the Y2K boy club, 273/109, in Soi Sunee plaza or Gay Soi, South Pattaya, following information received that the bar employed underage dancers and that drugs were being used on the premises. When the police arrived, they were greeted by the sight of 25 boys, wearing only underpants, dancing on the floor. Many tourists were drinking and enjoying watching the boys. Police showed their ID and switched the music off. 14 of the dancers tested positive for drugs. Initially, police arrested Mr. Suwirat Praditkai [21], the club manager, who told police that the owner was Mr. Burin Katthong [47], residing at 120, Moo. 2, Mae Sarieng, Mae Hong Son. The owner was not on the premises at the time of the raid. All the boys and the manager then were taken to the police station for further investigation and processing. ______________ Another Note: Often the question comes up as to what happens to farang who are in these bars at the time of a raid. The answer is nothing happens to them, other than being told to leave. Simply being present in the bar is not illegal. You are only in trouble if you are caught engaging in sex with an under-age boy. Notice that the article does not say that any farang customers were arrested. Quote
Guest Soi10Tom Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 14 dancers under the age of 20??? I always thought that underage was under 18, or is there a new rule of the day??? Look Bar is not in Sunee it is on Soi VC and some walk down from the entrance to Sunee Plaza. This sounds very much like poor reporting and a standard case of the owner not coughing up "Tea Money" in a timely manner. And, we all know that all of the boys and the manager will be back on stage this evening. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 21, 2009 Author Posted July 21, 2009 14 dancers under the age of 20??? I always thought that underage was under 18, or is there a new rule of the day??? I don't think there is a new rule. The article doesn't say that the dancers were of an illegal age. It simply says that 14 of them were younger than 20. That is not illegal. I don't know why the article was written that way. It is misleading. Also, did you notice that the article also still calls the bar Y2K? How long has it been since the bar was renamed to 'Look'? A couple years now? Whoever wrote the article, he's no Walter Cronkite. Quote
Guest lazarus Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 l. I don't know why the article was written that way. It is misleading. Whoever wrote the article, he's no Walter Cronkite. I suppose it is intended to be misleading. Same type of reporting as FOX news. Quote
Guest RichLB Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Speaking of poor reporting, the article left me confused. In the text the identified bar is Y2K, but the pictures are of Look Bar. Aren't these two different places or am I confused? Quote
Guest lazarus Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Speaking of poor reporting, the article left me confused. In the text the identified bar is Y2K, but the pictures are of Look Bar. Aren't these two different places or am I confused? Same-same bar. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 21, 2009 Author Posted July 21, 2009 Same type of reporting as FOX news. FOX actually reports news? Great! When did they start doing that? Whenever I look at FOX, what I'm seeing isn't what I would call news, that's for sure. The sainted Mr. O'Reilly somehow comes to mind . . . Yes, RichLB. Look bar used to be called Y2K. Only the name has changed. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 I am more surprised that 14 out of 25 tested positive for drugs. Or should I not be? Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 21, 2009 Author Posted July 21, 2009 I am more surprised that 14 out of 25 tested positive for drugs. Or should I not be? The part that surprises me is that only 14 out of 25 tested positive for drugs. Quote
Guest buckeroo2 Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 I was at Look Bar a few weeks ago and I mentioned to a friend that many of the guys appeared to be underage - some very much underage. My friend told me to stay away from that bar. He told me the place was under surveillance and filming was taking place from across the street. I have no idea if that was true or not, but due to the obvious underage dancers I never returned after that night. Quote
Guest luvthai Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Look Bar has always operated on the fringes of the law. It is known to have younger dancers but I am surprised at the numbers that tested positve for drugs. The management should now test for drugs on their own. Also the age requirements appear to have changed. It used to be 18 to work but 20 for customers and drinking. Quote
fedssocr Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 According to this report http://www.pattayapeople.com/default.asp?Folder=16&IdArticle=18204 only 1 underage dancer found, but as noted above 14 of 25 tested positive for drugs. And it sounds like the closure was only going to be temporary. Quote
Guest Soi10Tom Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 The news report says one boy was arrested for being underage all others for testing positive to drugs. The rumor that there is filming in progress around "Look Bar" has been around for a long, long, long time every since one of the board members had a problem....not related to "Look Bar" but somehow "Look Bar" became a part of the story. I must remind all of you folks that are so concerned about being arrested for being in any particular bar or offing a boy from any particular bar of what Gaybutton has repeatedly stated with the authority of his age and experience. He doesn't know of even one arrest of a farang for taking a boy out of ANY bar. All of the arrest are for messing with street urchins or messing with the kids in the neighborhood. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 Gaybutton has repeatedly stated with the authority of his age and experience. He doesn't know of even one arrest of a farang for taking a boy out of ANY bar. That is correct. Also, there still seems to be some confusion as to the age issue: It used to be 18 to work but 20 for customers and drinking. Nothing has changed. It is still 18 to work and 20 to be a customer. 18 is the minimum legal age for a boy to work in a bar and/or be taken off. The way the article is worded makes it appear as if the minimum age is 20, but that is not true and that is not what the article states. The minimum age was 18 and remains 18. As long as a boy is at least 18 years old, you're ok. Quote
Guest joseph44 Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Uhm GB, there is no law stating that you are allowed to take off a boy at the age of 18. Remember, prostitution is still prohibited by Thai law and since it is forbidden, it is not happening and therefore an 18-year old is allowed to work in the night time as any other production-employee. Visiting a bar and consuming alcohol is allowed from the age of 20. A totally different law. I love Thailand Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 Uhm GB, there is no law stating that you are allowed to take off a boy at the age of 18. This has been discussed so many times that everybody and his brother must be aware of that by now. Ok, technically you are correct. In practicality we all know it doesn't work that way. I'll say the same thing I've said many times before: A law is not a law unless it is enforced. Can you cite even one incident, ever, in which a farang was arrested for having taken off an 18-year old? Can you cite even one incident, ever, in which a boy was arrested for working in a bar because he was between 18 and 20 years old? Here are a few other interesting laws that are on the books, but not exactly rigidly enforced: _____ Scotland It is illegal to be possession of a cow while under the influence of drink. If someone comes to your house and asks to use of your commode, you must let them enter. England It is an offence to impersonate a Chelsea Pensioner. A Member of Parliament must not enter the House of Commons wearing a full suit of armour. Committing suicide is classified as a capital crime – punishable by death. Sticking a postage stamp, bearing the Queens portrait, upside down on an envelope is an act of treason. In Chester you are allowed to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow provided it is done inside the city walls and after midnight. France Between the hours of 8AM and 8PM, the music played by radio stations must be a minimum of 70% by French artists. Pigs must not be called Napoleon. Kissing on French railways is illegal. Italy It is illegal to practice the profession of charlantry. A man may be imprisoned for wearing a skirt. Singapore It is illegal to perform oral sex unless it is part of foreplay leading to full sex. Anyone not flushing a public toilet may receive a large fine. A person convicted of littering three times, will have to clean the streets on Sundays wearing a sign saying "I am a litter lout." Relieving yourself in an elevator is particularly forbidden. Sweden Prostitution is legal but using the services of a prostitute is illegal. – Must make trade rather difficult! South Korea Traffic police are required to report all bribes that they receive from motorists. Switzerland After 10 P.M. a man may not relieve himself while standing up. It is perfectly legal to drink absinthe (a type of alcohol), but it is illegal to produce, store or sell it. Australia All taxi cabs must carry a bale of hay in the trunk. Victoria In Victoria only licensed electricians may change a light bulb. In Victoria it is illegal to wear pink pants after midday on a Sunday. Canada In Toronto it is illegal to drag a dead horse down Yonge Street on a Sunday. Teenagers must not walk down main street in Fort Qu'Appelle with their shoes untied. Swearing in French has been outlawed in Montréal. China It is illegal to go to college unless you are intelligent. Rescuing a drowning person is not allowed as it would be interfering with their fate. Denmark Attempting to escape from prison is not illegal, however, if caught, the person must serve out the remainder of his term. Middle East In most Middle Eastern countries following Islamic law is enforced: "After having sexual relations with a lamb, it is a mortal sin to eat its flesh." In Lebanon, it is legal for men to have sex with female animals. However, having sexual relations with a male animal is punishable by death. In Indonesia the penalty for masturbation is decapitation. In Hong Kong a betrayed wife is legally allowed to kill her adulterous husband, provided she does so with her bare hands. The husband's lover, quite rightfully, may be killed in any desired way. In Singapore, it is against the law to not flush the toilet after using it. Special police randomly check on public restrooms and violators are publicly caned. Only blood donors are allowed to duel in Uruguay. USA Alabama Driving a vehicle while blindfolded is prohibited. Arkansas: The Little Rock legislature passed a law forbidding the Arkansas River to rise higher than the level of the Main Street Bridge. In Mobile, pigeons are prohibited from eating the pebbles on composite roofs. Anyone caught causing "unseemly laughter" by wearing a false moustache in church will be arrested. It is forbidden for a man to beat his wife more than once a month It is illegal to mispronounce the name of the state of Arkansas. Alaska In Fairbanks, moose are forbidden from having sex on the city streets. By law no child is allowed to build a snowman taller than himself within school grounds. California In California it is illegal to set a mousetrap without a hunting license. In Berkeley, before 7 A.M., it's against the law to whistle in an attempt to find your lost canary. It is illegal to peel an orange in a hotel room. It is forbidden for anyone to ride a bicycle in a Baldwin Park swimming pool In Glendale horror films may only be shown on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday It is against the law to drive more than 2000 sheep down Hollywood Boulevard at a time. Hunting moths under streetlights has been banned in Los Angeles. Washing two babies in the same tub is forbidden in Los Angeles. Colorado In Denver, it is against the law to lend your vacuum cleaner to your next-door neighbor. In Logan County a man must not kiss a woman while she is asleep. Growing dandelions is illegal in Pueblo. Connecticut Nobody in Devon is allowed to walk backwards after sunset. In Delaware it is illegal for a person to pawn his wooden leg. In Hartford, it is illegal to kiss your wife on Sunday. Delaware A local law, in Lowes Crossroads, forbids any pilot or passenger from carrying an ice cream cone in their pocket while flying or waiting to board a plane. District of Columbia Sex is illegal unless performed in the missionary position. Florida Women may be fined for falling asleep under a hair dryer, as well as the salon owner. Sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal. It is illegal to sing in a public place while wearing a swimsuit. Imitating animals is against the law in Miami. It is illegal to fart in a public place after 6 P.M. on Thursdays. No divorced woman may parachute on Sunday afternoons. Georgia In Atlanta, you are not permitted to tie a giraffe to a telephone pole or street lamp. It is illegal to say "Oh, Boy" in Jonesboro. In Quitman a chicken may not cross the road – no jokes please! It is a misdemeanor for anyone to attend church worship on Sunday, unless equipped with a loaded rifle. Women, in Pocataligo, weighing over 200 pounds and wearing shorts must not pilot an airplane. Hawaii Inserting pennies into your ear is forbidden. Illinois It is against the law to make faces at dogs. Talking English has been banned because the state language is "American." Barbers in Elkhart are not permitted threaten to cut off a child’s ear. Bees must not fly over through its streets of Kirkland. A monster is not allowed within the Urbana city limits. A law in Oblong, Illinois, forbids love making while hunting or fishing on your wedding day. Wearing pyjamas while fishing is prohibited in Chicago. Indiana For a four-hour period, after eating garlic, citizens are not permitted to attend a cinema or theater. On Friday the 13th all black cats in French Lick Springs must wear belts. It is illegal to carry fishing tackle into a cemetery in Muncie. Iowa A kiss must not last for more than five minutes. Transvestites are prohibited from wearing shoes with heels measuring more than 2 and one-quarter inches high. Horses in Marshalltown are forbidden to eat fire hydrants. Kansas Everyone must bathe at least once a year. It is illegal to walk down a street in Lawrence while carrying bees in your hat. A wife may successfully file for divorce on the grounds that her husband mistreated her mother. Kentucky Any female wishing to bathe on any highway within this state must escorted by at least two officers or be armed with a club. However, this statute shall not apply to any female weighing more than 200 pounds. Legally, regardless of how much a person has had to drink he is considered sober until he "cannot hold onto the ground." In Frankfurt it is illegal to shoot off a policeman's necktie. In Kentucky it is illegal to marry the same man more than 3 times. Louisiana Catching lizards is fine by day but is prohibited at night. It is illegal to shoot a bank teller with a water pistol while robbing a bank. Biting someone with your natural teeth is assault, but biting someone with your false teeth is aggravated assault It is an offense to wear an alligator costume. Maryland In Baltimore, it's illegal to take a lion to the movies. A woman is prohibited from going through her husband's pockets while he is sleeping. Oysters are protected by law from being mistreated. Massachusetts Tomatoes must not be put in clam chowder. It is illegal to go to bed without first having a bath. Yet another law prohibits the taking of baths on Sunday. Mourners at a wake in Boston must not eat more than three sandwiches each. A license is required before a goatee beard can be grown. Only after all bedroom windows are closed and locked is it legal to snore. Diapers must not be delivered on a Sunday. The only place in Winchester where tightrope walking is permitted is outside a church. Taking a bath in Boston is illegal unless one has been ordered to do so by a physician. Michigan A woman is not allowed to cut her hair without her husband's consent, because he legally owns her hair. In Clawson City, it is perfectly legal for a farmer to sleep with his horses, goats, pigs, cows and chickens. In Detroit it is illegal to willfully destroy your radio. A man in Detroit must not scowl at his wife on Sunday. In Kalamazoo it is illegal for men to serenade girls. Minnesota In Minnesota, it's illegal to tease skunks. In Minnesota women may face up to 30 days in jail if they impersonate Santa Claus. In Minnesota it is illegal to cross a state line with a duck on your head. Mississippi No person shall shave in the middle of the street in Tylertown. In Bourbon there is a law prohibiting turtle races being held at the airport. It is forbidden to shoot squirrels in a courtroom in Canton. Montana In Bozeman, a law prohibits sexual activity between members of the opposite sex in the front yard of a home after sundown - but only if they're nude. It is a felony for a wife to open her husband's mail New Hampshire By law you are forbidden to tap your feet, nod your head, or in any way keep time to the music in a tavern, restaurant, or café. New York In New York City women can ride the city subways topless. In Carmel, is not allowed to be seen in public wearing a jacket and pants that do not match. A man greeting another by “placing the end of his thumb against the tip of his nose and wiggling the extended fingers of that hand" will be arrested for disorderly conduct. Playing golf in the streets of Albany is forbidden. Brooklyn donkeys are not allowed to sleep in bathtubs. On Staten Island a man is not permitted to call his son a faggot or queer in the hope that it will cure his ‘girlish’ behavior. North Carolina Having sex in a churchyard is strictly prohibited. Elephants must not be used plow fields. A law has been passed which bans hurricanes from entering Topsail Beach city limits. Ohio In Cleveland it is illegal to catch mice without a hunting license. In Paulding, a policeman is allowed to bite a dog in order to stop it barking. Selling corn flakes on a Sunday, in Columbus, is forbidden. You can be arrested in Youngstown, if you run out of gas. People wearing a Santa Claus outfit must not advertise beer. Causing a fish to become intoxicated is against the law. In Shawnee three or more dogs are not permitted to meet on private property without the consent of the owner. Oregon In Willowdale cursing while having sex with his wife is illegal. Also in Willowdale a husband may not whisper sweet nothings into his wife's ear during sex if the sweet nothings are in any way ‘dirty'. Pennsylvania It is an offense for a housewife to sweep dust under a rug. A man must obtain written consent from his wife if he wishes to purchase alcohol. It is illegal to have sex with a truck driver in a Harrisburg toll booth. In Morrisville, woman must obtain a permit to put on make-up. Rhode Island In Providence a toothbrush and toothpaste must not be sold to the same person on a Sunday. Tennessee It is illegal to catch fish with a lasso. A Dyersburg woman must not call a man and ask for a date. San Francisco Tripping horses for entertainment has now been made illegal. Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship. In Cupertino, it is illegal to count backwards audibly in hexadecimal. South Carolina Eating watermelons in the Magnolia Cemetery is strictly forbidden Tennessee In Memphis, it is illegal to sell teddy bears on a Sunday. Texas It is illegal to put graffiti on another person’s cow. Pigs, in Kingsville, are prohibited from having sex on the city's airport property. The law dictates that criminal must give their victims 24 hours notice, either orally or in writing, and to explain the nature of the crime he intends committing. In Clarendon, it is against the law to dust any public building with a feather duster. It is an offense to carry a sword or a spear to a polling place. In Clarendon lawyers must accept eggs, chickens, and other produce as payment of legal fees. Vermont It is forbidden to deny the existence of God. If a women wishes to wear false teeth she must first obtain written permission from her husband. Whistling under water is against the law. Virginia Hens are not permitted to lay eggs before 8 am or after 4 pm. In Lebanon it is a crime for a man to kick his wife out of bed. In Richmond flipping a coin to decide who pays the bill in a café is illegal. In Norfolk, a woman must not go out unless wearing a corset. West Virginia Huntington firemen must not whistle at or flirt with any woman who is passing the firehouse. In Nicholas County clergyman are not permitted to tell jokes or humorous stories from the pulpit during a service. Washington The law requires all motorists with criminal intent to telephone the Chief of Police before crossing the city limits. Lollipops are illegal. By law having sex with a virgin under any circumstances is illegal – even on the wedding night! In Bellingham, it is illegal for a woman to take more than 3 steps backwards while dancing. Citizens of Seattle must not carry a concealed weapon that is over six feet in length. Wisconsin In Connorsville it is illegal for a man to shoot a gun when his partner has an orgasm. In Milwaukee, parking a car for over two hours is not allowed unless a horse is tied onto it. Quote
Guest lvdkeyes Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Taking all the time to write this, I think you have too much time on your hands, GB and I have too much time on my hands too. I read them all. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 Taking all the time to write this, I think you have too much time on your hands Well, today's a rainy day . . . Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Guess I'm glad I not a Scotsman wearing a kilt in Italy? Or, better still, a Scotsman wearing a kilt who is drowning in China? But I wonder what penalty is handed down to a couple of horny moose in Alaska? Dinner with Ms. Palin? That'd keep them off the streets. Quote
fedssocr Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Here's a story that contradicts the notion that no one has ever been arrested with a boy he offed from a go go bar http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2009/07/22/briton-arrested-for-third-time-on-child-sex-charges-thailand/ Of course in this case it is a repeat offender who may have been under some sort of surveillance... Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 23, 2009 Author Posted July 23, 2009 Here's a story that contradicts the notion that no one has ever been arrested with a boy he offed from a go go bar Yes and no. There seems to be some confusion as to who did what to who. The newspaper article says it was the German guy who was arrested after taking the 14-year old off, but it also says it was the boy's parents who filed the complaint with the police. The Drummond article says it was the Englishman. Unless both men took a 14-year old off from the bar, then something is wrong with the stories. If it was the German, then according to the news article the arrest occurred after the boy's parents complained. I raised a question and I'll repeat it here: What were the boy's parents doing by allowing their 14-year old son to work in a gay go-go bar in the first place, where being taken off is the goal? Did they claim they didn't know the boy was working there? If so, I didn't see anything about that in the article. Are the parents local in Pattaya? Do they live in a different city? If they live in a different city, what did they do, send their 14-year old son to go alone to Pattaya to seek his fortune? Also, how did the parents even know about the incident? Somehow I find it difficult to picture the boy calling his parents and saying, "Hi Mom. How are you? Oh, I'm fine. Today I did ok. I went with a farang and sucked his dick." Something is awfully strange about this story. Obviously, if the boy is 14, then the farang was nuts to take him home for sex. But the way in which the police became involved sure seems strange to me. But no matter how it all 'went down,' the moral of the story is the same thing so many of us have been preaching for years: Don't take a boy for sex unless he is at least 18-years old and can prove it. Quote
