TotallyOz Posted July 18, 2009 Posted July 18, 2009 I went to Adonis massage and was greeted at the entrance by a very sexy man who said, "I have big cock and I will fuck you good." Well, it was the thought that was nice. Adonis is located directly in front of Bangkok Nursing Hospital off of Sathorn in the business district and not far from Silom 4. It is a gay massage place in a house on a quiet street. Once inside, I was greeted by the manager and about 30 guys lined up. It was a great variety of guys with everything from muscle to fem to twink. I choose a tall handsome 25 year old. The manager told me he was gay and could do everything. To my disappointment, he could not do everything. He was a top only. I still would have gone with him as I really only wanted a good massage and a BJ. But, I hate being lied to. I have been to B and N so many times that the manager knows not to lie to me and I'll still go with a boy I like. I guess some guys walk out. I didn't. But, it would have been nice to have an honest manager. I will go again and they had a great selection of guys but I will not rely on the manager again and I will ask the guy I want directly what he is able to do and not do. The room was OK and fairly clean. I didn't like the sheet on the massage table as it was not clean and I had them remove it. The shower was fine. I am not sure if I just got a dud or not but he didn't shower with me and I showed myself. I guess I am just so use to other places doing this for me. I didn't mind it was just not what I expected and not sure if it is the norm there or just the guy I picked. Saturdays and Sundays are apparently popular and there was a slew of guys working. I will choose wisely next time. http://www.thaiadonismassage.com/ Hours of Operation Daily 2:00 pm - 11:30 pm 44/11 Convent Rd, Silom, Bangkok +66 (0)2236-7789 +66 (0)9010-3399 Quote
Guest thaiworthy Posted July 19, 2009 Posted July 19, 2009 I thought we weren't allowed to give bad reviews of businesses? Quote
Guest stef Posted July 19, 2009 Posted July 19, 2009 I went to Adonis massage and was greeted at the entrance by a very sexy man who said, "I have big cock and I will fuck you good." Well, it was the thought that was nice. Yummy and more yummy, what's his name ? I thought we weren't allowed to give bad reviews of businesses? Who said so ? I have done few of them myself . If it is not good I am not going to be nice about it. All should do the same.... Anyway I might have to try this tomorrow Quote
KhorTose Posted July 19, 2009 Posted July 19, 2009 I thought we weren't allowed to give bad reviews of businesses? We were told that. Consistency would be nice. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 19, 2009 Posted July 19, 2009 We were told that. Consistency would be nice. What you're not allowed to do is write posts that under Thai law could be construed as libelous, is an obvious vendetta posted by someone who has a personal grudge against a business, or is a post designed to attempt to hurt a business. I've said it before and I'll repeat it now. I'm the only moderator on this board who is a permanent resident in Thailand. When I see a post that can harm my ability to live here or can cause a libel suit to be levied against me, I'm getting rid of the post, even if others think I'm being inconsistent about it. If I thought GT's post met that sort of criteria, I would have deleted it even though he's the boss. He could always fire me . . . Quote
Guest Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 There is NOTHING wrong with a review that is not flattering to a business. I said is this review that there were hot guys there and I would return. Do you really expect me to leave out the manager who lied to me or the sheet being dirty? I won't do that. It is not fair for those that want to go there. This is not libelous when reviews like this are honest and fair. I think everyone on the board prefers honesty to BS. I have written many times in the past about how bad the bar scene is and suggested ways to improve them. I will continue to do so. I enjoyed Adonis and will return. I will not trust the manager to give me any advice. I will do the same with most bars I go to. I normally go straight to the source and ask the guy directly. I'll do the same at Adonis on my next visit. To my knowledge GayButton has not deleted any posts on this board which are fairly written. It is not in his nature to do so. Reviews on this site are welcome. Owners are welcome to post comments. Businesses are welcome to post offerings. Other boards are welcome to post information here. We want all to be welcome here. It will always remain this way. Quote
KhorTose Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 There is NOTHING wrong with a review that is not flattering to a business. /quote] I have to ask then if you read your own board. GB did post the following on July 1 of this year. The bold lettering is my addition. Seems we have a clear case of a double standard here. "That's a reasonable question. The two main reasons it's not allowed on this board are because there have been problems before when someone who had a personal grudge against a venue either grossly exaggerated the problem or even just made something up. The second reason is Thai libel laws. Naming the venue subjects to board owner and the moderators to the possibility of libel suits. Under Thai law, if you post something that hurts a business, that's libel, even when what was posted is entirely true and can be proved. As much as I would like to allow people to post what they want when they feel they have been wronged by a venue and as much as the probability of actually being sued by the venue is remote, it's still a risk I'm not willing to take and I'm not going to allow people to subject me to that risk. There is no problem about posting what occurred, but I have to ask that the names be left out of it. For example, I'd love to name every bar that hires under-age boys. I've been asked to do that in the past, but I won't do it and have never done it because of these bizarre Thai libel laws. The bottom line is that in most cases the incidents people post about could just as easily have happened at other venues. By posting about the incident itself, that serves to warn others about the kinds of things that potentially can happen no matter where you go. I think the warning is much more important than naming the venue. The incident reported by greg_is_normal could have happened, and has happened, at several different bars, both in Bangkok and Pattaya. The most important part of his post is the warning to carefully check ID cards. You would want to heed that warning in any bar in Thailand. The warning is much more important than the name of the venue. The name of the actual venue in which this particular incident ocurred is superfluous. " Quote
Guest Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 I have to ask then if you read your own board. I try to read as much as possible. There is a BIG difference in saying the manager lied to me than saying he did something illegal. A bar hiring underage guys is illegal and could potentially destroy the bar. A manager lying to a customer isn't on the same level as the other issue. There is a huge difference. IMHO I do not want people to pussy foot around and only post positive comments about gay venues. Be fair and honest. Just don't go over the line and libel the bar. If you have further questions, please ask me. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 I have to ask then if you read your own board. Do we really have to have this kind of debate? Very sorry, but I don't see it the way you do. If you don't see how GT's post is entirely different from the types of posts not allowed, then I can only say your interpretation of things is different from mine. In any case, what is and is not allowed on this board is up to the moderators and I'm not going to get into this kind of debate every time someone else thinks a post should or should not have been permitted. Since the moderators, especially me, are the ones at risk, we're going to be the ones who make the decisions about it. When I feel a post places the board or me personally at risk, I'm deleting the post and that's all there is to it. If there is any question about it, or if someone is not sure how far he is pushing the envelope, anyone is free to submit his post to me by PM prior to posting to ask whether I'm going to allow it. I'm sorry if you disagree with me, but I'm the one at risk and, quite frankly, I'm not going to let opinions of others, who are not the ones at risk, place me in jeopardy. You can tell me all about how if it was you, you would do it differently, but I have to call 'em the way I see 'em. On our policies statement we clearly say, "The determination of violations is the sole purview of the Gay Thailand Management." I emphasize "sole purview." If it makes you feel any better, very few posts on this board are ever deleted. Quote
KhorTose Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 If it makes you feel any better, very few posts on this board are ever deleted. Yes, but it sure would be nice if you dogmatic statements came with a translator so we knew when what you meant was so different from what you said. I repeat read the highlighted section of your post. It was not only me, but gaysacguy, bob and tpoh and thaiworthy that thought you were overboard on this. Really bad form from someone who is never wrong or willing to admit it. I guess if I don't like it I can hit the road like you told Laurence to. It would sure be nice if you would grow up and drop your 800 pound gorilla act. I am sure this board would be a nicer place. Quote
Guest Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 It was not only me, but gaysacguy, bob and tpoh and thaiworthy that thought you were overboard on this. Damm, you had a party and I was not invited. I am very sad now. I guess if I don't like it I can hit the road like you told Laurence to. I do not want you or Laurence or anyone else to leave. My policy has been clear since day one. All are welcome here who stay within the rules of the forum. Like any community, we may have disagreements, arguments, pissing contests, etc. But, in the end we are all still part of the same community and must find ways to come together as one. There is enough of those who are not part of our community that try to divide us. We do not need it from anyone coming from within the group. I have known Gaybutton for years. Like me, he often thinks he is right. Rarely does someone who as opinionated as either of us think different. He is a good man and if you know him personally, he does not come across as hardline as he may appear on the boards. He has valuable information to share with many and he does so willingly. He is one of the few who has been in LOS so long and is always willing to give advice. Feel free to take it, forget it or argue with him. All are your right on the board. I have looked at the Mod forum and have found less than 20 topics deleted in the many years we have been around. Most were from the same poster. We do not like to delete anything. We want everyone to have a voice. This will not change. Quote
KhorTose Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 I too know GB and agree with everything you say, but reiterate that l find his avatar offensive as that is the way he often acts on this board. I also recognize that it is a very (I repeat very) hard job to moderate a board, and we all make mistakes, but I just wish he would listen when others raise objections to some of his decisions. I know Lawrence and I was very offended when he told him to hit the road. That is the kind of stuff that does divide us. I also know that personally GB is a nice guy, and I have seen him behave himself beautifully on the "Pink" board. I just wish he would do that here. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 l find his avatar offensive Sheeeesh! Even my avatar bothers you? Very sorry. I happen to like my avatar. As for me never being wrong, while you are suggesting I re-read your post, I suggest you go through this board and start re-reading mine. I have been wrong many times and have openly admitted it just as many times, which is more than most posters ever do. So don't try to say that I'm never wrong and never willing to admit it. That is blatantly false. Disagreeing with your position doesn't make me wrong. As for my attitude here, that is not going to change. As for Lawrence, I couldn't care less. He broke the rules, was warned, and persisted anyway. I don't put up with that and if that offends people, then they're going to just have to be offended. I make no apology for that. I'll agree with one thing you said: It's very hard to moderate a board. That's because no matter what I do, somebody doesn't like what I do. I learned a long time ago to stop taking that into consideration. I do what I think is fair and the right thing to do. Some agree with me and some don't. That's the nature of the game. I have no problem at all about wearing the black hat when I think it's necessary. Regarding this issue, I have tried to make it very clear. I don't know how to make it any more clear than I already have. Maybe my command of English isn't good enough, but I'll say again that if someone posts a message that can place this board or me in legal jeopardy, then that post will be deleted, period. 800 pound gorilla or not, overboard or not, that's the way it's going to be. Once again, tell me how if it was you, you would do it differently. If you truly believe that permitting libelous posts is so important that I should allow myself to be placed in jeopardy, then you're barking up the wrong tree, my friend. You find the way I come across to be offensive. I find it even more offensive that you are asking me to place myself in legal jeopardy for the sake of those kinds of posts. I guarantee you that as long as I am a moderator here, that is not going to happen. And yes, I am intentionally coming on very strong about it because I'm not about to allow anyone put me in that kind of position, no matter who dislikes it and is offended. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Gentlemen, since GB putting a stop to this thread could be misinterpreted (gorilla tactics?!), may I suggest that a lot of views have been aired and those of us who have not posted have a pretty good idea by now of these differing points of view. I frankly cannot see much merit in continuing the discussion. May I therefore propose that the thread be closed. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 May I therefore propose that the thread be closed. Not quite yet. I've said my piece, but to be fair I think others should get a chance to say theirs, if they wish, before we close off the thread. For those who do wish to get in their say, it seems that some are getting quite upset about this, so please remember that personal attacks are also verboten. Discuss the issue or vent your spleen about terrible ol' me if you wish, but leave personal attacks out of it. Quote
Guest lvdkeyes Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 I agree with Fountainhall. It's getting a bit tedious. Quote
Guest Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Threads should ONLY be closed when major issues are brought forward. There is not one in this thread and no reason to close it. If some don't want to read it, move to the next thread. Or, better yet, open one. Quote
KhorTose Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Sheeeesh! Even my avatar bothers you? Very sorry. I happen to like my avatar. s for my attitude here, that is not going to change. As for Lawrence, I couldn't care less. He broke the rules, was warned, and persisted anyway. I Regarding this issue, I have tried to make it very clear. I don't know how to make it any more clear than I already have. Maybe my command of English isn't good enough, but I'll say again that if someone posts a message that can place this board or me in legal jeopardy, then that post will be deleted, period. 800 pound gorilla or not, overboard or not, that's the way it's going to be. Once again, tell me how if it was you, you would do it differently. Someone is going to have to show me how to do multiple quotes. In the meantime, I have highlighed parts of your response to respond to. Do the whole quote, "Your avatar offends me, as that is the way you often act on this board." As to Lawrence nothing he said sounded like he broke a rule. He said a question from an unknown sounded like someone trolling and then he bad mouthed your attitute on his reponse, and said he was leaving. You tell him, "don't let the door hit you in the ass." A word far worse then stupid and then lock the thread. You did not toss Lawence off he left do to your attitude. Not an 800 pound gorilla my ass (an apparently acceptable word.) I would have like to debate and defend Lawrence hard to do with the thread locked. I do not know Thai libel laws as I am not a lawyer and neither are you. In the states, libel is very hard to prove and it is the owner who would be sued. Pardon me if I do not trust your interpretation of the law. Especially when, you are far from the only moderator who lives in Thailand. Ting and Tong has at least two who live here full time and they do not have your restrictions. I believe your position has far more to do with your second income of doing web pages and computer programs/repairs for the bars, then any threat of libel and maybe you would speak to that. Really who are you working for GT or yourself? Quote
Bob Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 I do not know Thai libel laws While I'm not an expert in Thai libel laws, I know enough to say that our western understandings sure as hell don't apply. First, under Thai libel law, criminal penalties (jail, fines, etc.) apply. Second, truth is not necessarily a defense! Two very fundamental differences with "western" libel law. From what I've read, negative comments about businesses are quite often libelous in Thailand regardless of the truth of the matter. A rather sad state of law in my opinion - but Thailand hardly qualifies as a champion of free speech. Your comments, KT, are a bit unfair. To be honest, if I thought that the Thai authorities could actually tell who I am on this or other boards dealing with Thailand, I would be very cautious to make the cracks I do about the corruption and governmental idiocy occurring as I wouldn't want them to keep my sorry ass out of their country. Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Ting and Tong has at least two who live here full time and they do not have your restrictions. I hope they never have to find out the hard way that they should have. maybe you would speak to that. I've already said my piece about the rest of your latest post. However since you ask me to "speak to that," I'll respond to that portion of your post. I have no idea what you mean by a second income. Yes, I do quite a bit of work for this web site, some local businesses, and people who request my help. I do not charge for it and never have charged for it. I receive no money at all for any of it, including the work I do for this web site. All of these things that I do, I do because I enjoy it, including moderating this message board. If you truly believe I'm paid for it, then you're dead wrong. If you are going to try to say that I do get paid for it, fine. Now prove it. What was that you said about admitting when you're wrong? You're wrong about this. Are you going to admit it? Quote
KhorTose Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 I receive no money at all for any of it, including the work I do for this web site. I have no problem admitting that I believed your were paid for this board and for the web work. I am surprised to find out that you are not, as I would never do that much work for nothing. So I am definitely wrong about that and I have no trouble at all saying sorry. As to the libel law, Bob's answer is perfectly fine with me. However, I still think you handled the whole Lawrence thing wrong and I still believe that on this board you do get a little heavy handed. Your above answer to me is the GB that I have often praised. I just wish I could see that side of you more often on this board. Quote
Guest Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 To help clear things up on this matter, I will make an appointment with a Thai law firm to find out the laws on libel in Thailand. Any suggestions as to which firm to trust with a legit answer? Now, to the topic at hand. Anyone had a good experience with Adonis? Regulars there? Quote
Gaybutton Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 I just wish I could see that side of you more often on this board. Father Karras: I think it would be helpful if I gave you some background on the different personalities Regan has manifested. So far I'd say there seems to be three. Father Merrin: There is only one. - The Exorcist Quote
Guest Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 I ended up back at Adonis today. They still had a nice slew of boys there. I picked one and asked the manager if he was able to do everything I wanted and he said yes. I told him I wanted to talk to the boy and I did. I confirmed what I wanted and the boy said, "no problem." He spoke little English but he did speak some. He was from Isan and we chatted a bit during the massage. I admit I did not ask the manager if he gave a good massage and that was my mistake. He gave the most gentle massage I have had in all of Thailand. But, the happy ending was fantastic. He was passionate, fun, attentive and accommodating. I had a great time with him. Next time I'll ask him to do the massage MUCH stronger or I'll get another boy in with us for the massage and then send the extra out and leave the new guy in for the "happy ending." Yes, I enjoyed the place and the boys there were all friendly and smiling when I entered and when I left. Price for one hour cream is 600 baht. Quote
firecat69 Posted July 27, 2009 Posted July 27, 2009 Have you forgotten his name already??? 5 weeks until my return Quote