PattayaMale Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 A Christian group decided it needed to come to Pattaya "the greatest sex city" and put on a concert at a local bar. The invited crowd was Christian and just drank coke. At the end of the concert the band began praying to God to save the city.............. Bluetree Group Quote
Guest xiandarkthorne Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 Did their prayers work? Have the red shirts packed up and gone away? Are the bars re-opening yet? Quote
Guest shockdevil Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 To each his own. It would have been interesting to be there to see the looks on the faces of the drunken revelers passing by the bar and hearing the Christian music being played. It would have been better than going to a comedy club. The image is making me LMAO now. Quote
Guest Soi10Tom Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 Thanks be that Thais have been listening to the crazy christian message for over 150 years...smiling and replying, "Your journey, not mine." By their own admission christian missionaries, both protestant and catholic, have been huge failures at selling their magical fairy tale in the kingdom. Quote
Gaybutton Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 By their own admission christian missionaries, both protestant and catholic, have been huge failures at selling their magical fairy tale in the kingdom. Thank God. Quote
Guest gay_grampa Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Googling around on this subject I find the following: Christianity was first introduced to Thailand by European missionaries in 16-17th centuries Wikipedia - Christianity in Thailand According to government statistics, there are an estimated 486,800 Christians in the country, constituting 0.8 percent of the population US State Dept Report 2005 In the early 1800s, the first Protestant missionaries brought the Gospel message to Thailand. Some 180 years later, less than one half of one percent of Thais know Jesus Christ. Ninety-four percent adhere to Buddhism, while five percent profess Islam. MAF (Mission Aviation Fellowship) Whatever the actual numbers, considering that Christian missionaries have been in Thailand for hundreds of years, their conversion rate is not impressive. Long may it continue. Quote
Guest lvdkeyes Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 So glad the Thais haven't let the Christian missionaries get a foothold here and fuck up the place like they have done in other places. ( I am not going to debate my stance with anyone.) Quote
Gaybutton Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 ( I am not going to debate my stance with anyone.) I doubt you'll find very many posters on this board who would disagree with your stance anyway. Quote
Guest lvdkeyes Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I doubt you'll find very many posters on this board who would disagree with your stance anyway. There are one or two who might, so I wanted to make it clear that I would not. Quote
Bob Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 While I can understand and support the notion of freedom of religion (being an individual's right to worship whoever, whatever, or nothing), I do not understand why any country would allow any outside religious group the freedom to proselytize within their borders. In my view, allowing the christians, mormans, or whoever to come into the country in groups to attempt to convert the "pagans" is nothing more than an active attempt to denigrate the local culture. I cringe every time I walk past a certain street in Chiangmai as I hear a couple of hundred Thai kids attempting to sing "Onward Christian Soldiers." I find it rather repulsive. Quote
Gaybutton Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I find it rather repulsive. Does this mean you're canceling your plans to open a Chiang Mai branch of the Women's Christian Temperance Union? Quote
Bob Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Does this mean you're canceling your plans to open a Chiang Mai branch of the Women's Christian Temperance Union? Should I say that I won't debate that???? LOL That's like one of those "does your mother know you beat your wife" questions! Sorry, I don't do women. But, if there was a group of cute Thai guys who wanted to set up a temperance union, I suppose I would reconsider (and I'm buying the booze!). [Edit: I just realized that you posted that at about 4:15AM Pattaya time. GO TO BED!] Quote
Gaybutton Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 That's like one of those "does your mother know you beat your wife" questions! [Edit: I just realized that you posted that at about 4:15AM Pattaya time. GO TO BED!] You know how I answer that question? I say, no, but my wife also doesn't know I beat my mother. Yes, it's about time for bed, I suppose. Is that a hint that you're volunteering to join me? If that's a yes, just remember that I'm not a big tipper . . . By the way, "You know what I say when someone tells me 'Have a good one'? I say, 'I've already got a good one, but I could use a longer one." - George Carlin Quote
Bob Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 just remember that I'm not a big tipper . . . I figured that; but, you'd marry Al Gore if he dumped her, right? Quote
Gaybutton Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 I figured that; but, you'd marry Al Gore if he dumped her, right? Hmmmm, never thought of that, but regarding Dan Quayle: ". . . And have you seen that wife of his? Goddam! Tell me something, does he actually have to fuck that woman?!?!?!?" - George Carlin Quote
Guest Hedda Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 I am rather amazed by some of the religious intolerance witnessed in this thread. Whether or not you believe in God or the supernatural ( however you choose to define them), the idea that religious people should be ridiculed or even prevented from spreading their faith and religious beliefs is just as abhorrent as the idea of allowing religious folks to forcefully imposing their standards for living on gays. Most gay people spend their life arguing that no one has the right to impose their values on other peoples' choice of lifestyles. Well, that's a two-way street. The Mormon who travels to foreign lands to spread his version of the gospel, or the Jehovah's Witness who rings your doorbell to being you his vision of God, are just as much entitled to their pursuit of happiness as the gay man who seeks contentment elsewhere. It's called freedom and individual liberty, and it's not just intended to protect gay rights. Quote
Bob Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 Amazing too, Hedda, how you don't seem to cotton to freedom of speech at times (unless, of course, it conforms to your own dogma). You also missed some of the point. There's a difference between toleration of what (or who) one wants to worship or not worship but it's quite a different thing when some voodoo bullshit is being foisted on less educated people under the guise of charity work (oh well, I'll help feed the pagans and, along the way, convert them to the right way of thinking). History is replete with the damage these people have done. Whether it's the crusades, the Northern Ireland history, or the Sunni/Shia love-in in Iraq, it doesn't seem to make any difference. Your attempting to equate toleration or intoleration of gay rights also misses the mark. Sure, we have a right to be gay but, in my view, we don't any right at all to covert others to gaydom. Quote
Gaybutton Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 I am rather amazed by some of the religious intolerance witnessed in this thread. I'm not. That's because I don't see any posts that indicate intolerance. I don't equate making fun of religion with intolerance to religion. I also don't view ethnic jokes as equivalent to racism or prejudice. If the religious people want to come to Thailand and try to get converts, let them. I wouldn't dream of trying to stop them. Just don't knock on my door. I'm no more interested in listening to someone trying to proselytize than I am in listening to the sales pitch from the guys who knock on my door trying to see me a broom. Personally, I think organized religion is a joke and I treat it as such. If others don't see the humor or think that means intolerance, that's their problem. Quote
Guest laurence Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 Personally, I think organized religion is a joke and I treat it as such. Describing organized religion as a joke suggest an intolerance of sorts. And being tolerant of ethnic jokes suggests racism and prejudice. What next? Are some of your friends Catholics, Jews, queers, etc.? That is the usual line a racist or bigot uses when they make some sort of public fool of themselves. Quote
PattayaMale Posted June 19, 2009 Author Posted June 19, 2009 Describing organized religion as a joke suggest an intolerance of sorts. And being tolerant of ethnic jokes suggests racism and prejudice. What next? Are some of your friends Catholics, Jews, queers, etc.? That is the usual line a racist or bigot uses when they make some sort of public fool of themselves. Would we also call a Black person intolerant if he criticized the KKK for trying to convert people to their views? Was it not the Mormon church that funded much of Proposition 8 in California which denies marriage to gays, which attacks equality for gays? A friend sent this link to me. It is worth a look. From Sister Betty Bowers (America's Best Christian) And if that was too fast for you, you may prefer Quote
Guest laurence Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 From Sister Betty Bowers (America's Best Christian) That clip brought back memories of my high school days in Smallville,America. At the start of the day, in home room, some poor victim was selected to read a passage from the old Testament. When it was my turn I would find some saucy section which would bring snickers from the other kids and a frown from the teacher. I was not chosen often. Quote
Gaybutton Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 Describing organized religion as a joke suggest an intolerance of sorts. And being tolerant of ethnic jokes suggests racism and prejudice. Maybe it does to you, but not to me. Sorry, but I don't buy into the idea that joking about something makes you intolerant of it. I tolerate everything just fine, thank you very much. But I'm not one of those people who get all bent out of shape over joking. If you do, that's your affair. To me, getting upset over kidding around makes you the one who is actually intolerant. Quote
Guest laurence Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 Maybe it does to you, but not to me. Sorry, but I don't buy into the idea that joking about something makes you intolerant of it. I tolerate everything just fine, thank you very much. But I'm not one of those people who get all bent out of shape over joking. If you do, that's your affair. To me, getting upset over kidding around makes you the one who is actually intolerant. I believe your quote was " I think organized religion is a joke and I treat is as such" which is not the same as joking about religion. Treating organized religion as a joke ignores a very powerful force in this world, whether you like it or no, be a believer or not. Yes, I know, words are just words to mean whatever the writer wants them to mean. Who is upset? I speak out against intolerance and now I am intolerant? Quote
