Jomtien Beach Fight Results in 1 Death, 1 in Critical Condition

[Gaybutton]

Pattaya seems to be plagued with more and more violent fights and crimes, and those involved don't seem as if they couldn't care less that there are dozens of witnesses. Only a few nights ago I was in Sunee Plaza, with friends, when a violent fight broke out in front of one of the bars. We saw one boy bashed over the head with some sort of solid object and he made a bloody retreat. We never did find out what the fight was about or whether anything further took place later.

 

Now we have this, from PATTAYA ONE:

 

For photos see: http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/june/n...1_06_52_3.shtml

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One Dead, One Seriously Injured Following Jomtien Beach Fight

 

For some time, there have been problems with copy CD vendors on Jomtien Beach. The disputes have centered on territorial issues.

 

The two men involved in the dispute are Khun Nawin aged 26 and Khun Wootishai aged 23. On Sunday Afternoon, in front of hundreds of tourists, the two men came to blows and despite calls to Police suggesting a fight was about to start, officers arrived after the fight had finished despite the station being situated only 100 meters from the incident.

 

Spikes which keep beach umbrellas from flying away in the wind and other weapons were used in the fight and both men received serious injuries during the scuffle and were rushed to Hospital. Khun Nawin, died from his injuries in Hospital while Khun Wootishai is fighting for his life and is on the critical list at this time.

 

Police are investigating.

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I like the line, "Police are investigating." Good. Better late than never . . . .

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Unfortunately, with hard times and more to come I think this kind of thing will become more prevalent. Very sad!!!

[Gaybutton]

I think this kind of thing will become more prevalent.

It certainly seems to be moving in that direction. Only a few years ago this kind of story was unheard of. Now between the gangs, shootings, robberies, beatings, drugs, and everything else, it's all becoming too commonplace.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

It certainly seems to be moving in that direction. Only a few years ago this kind of story was unheard of. Now between the gangs, shootings, robberies, beatings, drugs, and everything else, it's all becoming too commonplace.

When people get desperate they do desperate things. When I came to Thailand for the first time in '95 there were more tourists. There were more vendors on the beach. The tourists , including me, were spending more money and there was rarely a mention of the kinds of crimes that are happening now. Coincidental? I think not.

[Gaybutton]

Coincidental? I think not.

I agree. Pattaya seems to be in a state of what I would call 'negative evolution.' I don't like the direction things are going. The beaches used to be much better. Traffic jams were rare. City streets were kept in good condition. The gay venues were consistently packed and few ever went out of business. Prices were much more reasonable. Police raids were unheard of. Any farang could open a bank account as long as he simply held a valid passport. These kinds of violent crimes were rare. I, for one, felt perfectly safe anywhere in town at any hour.

 

Those days are gone forever.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

I am afraid you are right.

[atri1666]

For next year i will think about change location to singapore and malaysia ( good experiences in the last years with free sex) or to bali.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

For next year i will think about change location to singapore and malaysia ( good experiences in the last years with free sex) or to bali.

Of the three you mention I like Malaysia best. I've been there four times and always had a good time and never paid for sex. In fact, I was taken out for dinner more than once.

[Guest joseph44]

Of the three you mention I like Malaysia best. I've been there four times and always had a good time and never paid for sex. In fact, I was taken out for dinner more than once.

 

Well guys, what keeps you here? Off to Malay.........as if things are better overthere. Oh, free sex, well that's something.......

 

Apart from financial crises, flues and other mischieve, this time of year is always the time to have eyes in your back. Low season is the season to be more careful.

 

About the story on Pattaya One ............. I was an eye witness, because I was waiting in front of 7/11 opposite the police box for some time, when suddenly a lot of commotion.

To make a long story short............I've only seen one wounded guy and he was bleeding and unconcious. After 10/15 minutes of treatment on the pavement in front of the 7/11, they dumped him in the back of a Song Taew.

Never saw a second person being transported in whatever condition.

 

 

[PattayaMale]

To me it is disappointing that the police don't constantly patrol the area. There is no reason that police or (life guards) can't be posted on raised platforms (life guard towers) watching for those that are in need of help.

 

The money would be better spent than on more CCTV equipment that keeps breaking. More people would gain employment and tourists and Thais would be better protected.

 

 

[Guest lvdkeyes]

To me it is disappointing that the police don't constantly patrol the area. There is no reason that police or (life guards) can't be posted on raised platforms (life guard towers) watching for those that are in need of help.

 

The money would be better spent than on more CCTV equipment that keeps breaking. More people would gain employment and tourists and Thais would be better protected.

Then there would be no vendors at all on the beach.

[Guest tdperhs]

Come on, people, get a clue. This happened because we came here. We came in droves for the cheap and easy. Cheap and easy sex, cheap and easy food, cheap and easy housing. And, once we got our fill of the cheap and easy, usually after a few months, we decided it wasn't enough and started building and buying up businesses. We bought stores, bars, restaurants, hotels, real estate agencies, all designed to make Thailand as little Thai as possible for the tourists coming after us. The Farang population is expanding at a geometric rate. Go to the Expat club meetings and get there early because before the meeting starts you won't find a seat. Papa David's is opening number 2 on Soi Khao Talo! Only one? There are four existing villages - Reum Ruen is over a square mile of houses - and several condos already on this road that are inhabited almost exclusively by Farang and their Thai spouses. We sit on our pension- padded asses like glorious aristocrats (my pension padded ass is one of the worst offenders) and complain about the customs here. We complain of poor law enforcement, except of course when it is enforced against us. We take the best and loveliest of their women for spouses and then click our tongues at the lack of commitment among Thai men. When we don't understand some cultural or social practice, we write it off as being illogical, assuming ours is the only logic. As Stanley Garn wrote, "If Aborigines drafted intelligence tests, all of western civilization would presumably flunk them."

It comes as a surprise to me that what GB witnessed a few evenings ago was a surprise to him. With his knowledge of history and his personal experience in the political arena, I would think he would have recognized this as just a natural result of an sudden influx of non-indigenous wealth into a small area. Witness London's influx of Irish immigrants in the 1720's, the rapid growth and expansion of the Italian communities in early 20th century Brooklyn and Queens, Miami's Cubans, San Francisco's Chinese, Santa Ana's Cambodians/Vietnamese. All of these groups brought their share of crime, gangs, and social problems very much like Pattaya is enjoying. Of course an argument could be made that those immigrants came from another country. To the people from Buriram, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani and the many other places where they once farmed, this mecca of the mighty buck is a foreign land dominated and designed for people who demand to be addressed in a language from the other side of the world, countries that would never allow these people to visit. Imagine a Pakistani in Leeds insisting a government clerk explain the city's parking laws in Urdu.

These social problems have a purpose. As they increase, they diminish the attractiveness of their location as a place to live, visit, or establish a business, allowing the population to control expansion and accommodate the cultural resources of the community. When the cheap and easy people leave, the easy money people will follow, probably to Malaysia.

 

[Gaybutton]

It comes as a surprise to me that what GB witnessed a few evenings ago was a surprise to him. With his knowledge of history and his personal experience in the political arena, I would think he would have recognized this as just a natural result of an sudden influx of non-indigenous wealth into a small area.

I don't agree with very much of what you're saying, especially the part about what I witnessed being a surprise to me. Where in my post did I say I was surprised?

 

However, I don't attribute witnessing a fight to the idea that a "sudden influx of non-indigenous wealth into a small area" had anything to do with it. I don't even agree with the idea of a sudden influx. Unless twenty years is to be considered sudden, I would say it has been gradual. I also don't see it as something negative.

 

I do agree that the farang population is expanding rapidly.

 

I also don't see "cheap and easy" as something negative or something to be ashamed of. If there is anything wrong with "cheap and easy" I'd like to know what it is. Should I be ashamed that I chose "cheap and easy" over "expensive and difficult"? If I had it to do all over again I would do the same thing. The only thing I regret is the fact that I couldn't have done it sooner.

 

How many people who read this web site do you suppose "take the best and loveliest of their women for spouses"? I would imagine that not too many gay people take women at all.

 

I see nothing shameful about "cheap and easy" or the fact that I may have more money available to me than the average Thai. I worked damned hard and honestly for what I have. I'm happy I have it. Why should I be ashamed of it or buy into an idea that I am a negative influence on Thai culture and society?

 

The world is much smaller than it used to be and societies are usually dynamic. That includes Thailand. I believe Thailand is a victim of 'Future Shock' not because farang come here to stay, but because, as one of my closest friends always says, "Thailand is not a proactive country. Everything is always reactive."

[Guest lvdkeyes]

What is your suggestion? Should we all leave? Should we turn back the hands of time?You have pointed out the obvious without a solution to the problem.

[Guest]

. When the cheap and easy people leave, the easy money people will follow, probably to Malaysia.

 

Malaysia has about twice the GDP per capita of Thailand & is considerably more successful on that economic measure.

I doubt this will attract the "cheap & easy" market. You are certainly not going to get gogo bars with cheap beer either.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Malaysia actively seeks expats to immigrate there. They have a Second Home Program. They offer tax advantages for retirees. While there are not go go bars, the availability of men is plentiful, Indian and Chinese as well as Malays.