Better to be retired than retarded - Thailand and Cambodia in January 2024. Trip report, brief but long.

[Marc in Calif]

4 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

Do you snap your photos with your phone or with a dedicated camera?

They've given me a lot of reasons to see the temples in Cambodia, which I've only read about but never visited. 

 

[vinapu]

38 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

Do you snap your photos with your phone or with a dedicated camera?

They've given me a lot of reasons to see the temples in Cambodia, which I've only read about. 

with my phone

[vinapu]

Day 21.

 Morning air and view was quite crisp. Being good friend I went to the lobby to say goodbyes to my friend whose car was already waiting then returned to my room to pack little I have  since I won’t be returning there after the tour. My van arrived at 10.00 as promised but it took more than hour to collect all other participants from 6 or 7 hotels.      

 That is one of reasons I’m not big fan of this type of tours but my time at Phuket was short so decided to do some shortcuts. Hiring car with driver would be more expensive but also more time efficient.

As usual it was blend of tourist sights – Big Buddha, Wat Chalom and Phuket Old Town and commercial part – honey farm, cashews farm and jewelry shop plus two animal tormenting sites _ Tiger camp and elephant  camp.

 Big Buddha is impressive site with beautiful view but was very crowded, Wat Chalom newish but very colorful and old town the same like Buddha Hill , colorful but crowded.

 

 

I did not bother with neither tiger nor elephant  concentration camps , I don’t like this type of entertainment even if I’m not animal lover I don’t support enslaving and drugging them for somebody’s entertainment.

 From commercial part I like some offerings at cashews farm- they sold cashews in several different flavors, I found truffle one particularly tasty but not exactly cheap.

All in , I still enjoyed tour as it gave me some idea how Phuket looks like.

 Since I’m changing hotels I alighted in Patong’s center and walked to Paradise Complex where my hotel The Corner is located. Looked as newly built or renovated place intended to work as budget version of Royal Paradise Hotel , towels  even bear that hotel signature. I can recommend place as location is perfect , on the , you guessed it, corner of soi where ZAG and new CRUISE gay clubs are located. Aquarious hotel and sauna and massage spas are all within 100 meters or less.

Paradise Complex main soi, The Corner is where those green planters are

 

Cruise club across the soi from my hotel, The Corner

ZAH club

Royal Paradise Hotel is truly landmark, picture taken from door of The Corner

 

As budget place had some , how to say , simplifications? No elevator, no kettle and no safety box but otherwise everything was perfect, AC was working , bed was comfortable and definitely I would stay there again.

After setting in I went to eat something, bought  cruise to James Bond Island for tomorrow and stroll soi where M to M  massage shops are located where I spotted nice looking muscular guy so enrolled him  for massage. For some reason he was in rush to finish session , in about ½ he we were done , massage , afters and stamp collection .

 Second massage in Phuket and second not so special . Too bad as guy was good looking ,  muscular, exactly of  type I like and if he took better care about business I was ready to invite him for private sessions of length of his choice.

After dark I went to ZAG  for few drinks and watch the show outside. Had  fun as on eof their waiters was kind of cruising me and I was cruising him, you know , drink here, wandering hand there. After 11 all were invited to move inside where show continued on the stage broken from time to time with models parade.

show at ZAG

I tipped two of them  red notes and as soon as they finished their part they came to my table to thank me , I offered them drinks so more discreet and not so discreet touches but at end of day or rather night nothing materialized . Thay had other adorates as well , waiter was pretending to be  busy so at 2 am I went to hotel alone.

 Bit excited decided still to do some walking and went to Bangla Road, Patong’s main strip and I was shocked indeed to see how busy at that late time it was ,  imagine Siam BTS station at rush hour.

 It was probably 3 when I returned to the room to catch few hours of sleep.

[TMax]

39 minutes ago, vinapu said:

I did not bother with neither tiger nor elephant  concentration camps , I don’t like this type of entertainment even if I’m not animal lover I don’t support enslaving and drugging them for somebody’s entertainment.

 From commercial part I like some offerings at cashews farm- they sold cashews in several different flavors, I found truffle one particularly tasty but not exactly cheap.

Loving your reports vinapu.

Yes I agree on the animal concentration camps and I too avoid them. With my only trip to the cashew farm I walked out with so many cashews it wasn't funny, my 2 favoured flavours were the chocolate and the chilli, took a long time to eat them all 

[siriusBE]

Thanks for the great report about Phuket @vinapu !
So, whats your take about Phuket? Is it worth a visit? I was on Phuket 3x and the last time (10 years ago) the gay scene was small and a bit depressing. I could imagine to visit it again (maybe as a stopover on the route to Kao Lak).
I also don't like the animal zoo's. I also don't like human zoo's as in the north of TH close to the border to Birma/Myanmar (Meo tribes). Humiliating and embarrassing... but that's just my humble opinion. Did it once and never again.

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, siriusBE said:

So, whats your take about Phuket? Is it worth a visit? I was on Phuket 3x and the last time (10 years ago) the gay scene was small and a bit depressing. I could imagine to visit it again

With just two full days and three nights spent there I wouldn't put much weight on what I say on the subject of Phuket.

I'm glad I went there, not being much of a sun and sand person did not partake in beach activities at all but beaches seemed nice and water clear and wet enough. Definitely scenery on island  is impressive as always where mountains are meeting the sea. Another reason I'm glad I went is I like to see new places.

Definitely it' was very tourists infested, much more than Pattaya in my opinion. I don't mind that as I did not encounter any problems with fellow travellers but my forum friend who said ' at times you will forget you are in Thailand "  was on something. Some Thais and farangs were complaining abut dominant Russian presence but as everywhere else I never had any problems with Russian tourists other than visible reluctance to talk  to strangers, even talking to them in  their language. But that I noticed in other places , including where I live.  

It seems that those tourist hordes are driving prices up. I mentioned 80 baht banana pancake on main street , I saw another one in side soi for 50 , still more than everywhere else.

Prices of tours seem to be inflated but from why I overheard it's very easy to bargain it down, sometimes discount is just given. Island tour priced at 1400 I got for 900 before I even asked, on another hand cruise to Bond island ( still to be written about ) I got for list price of 1800 but family of 5 who was on the same tour got it for 1450 a head - volume discount perhaps ?

Smart bus from the airport seems great idea as it takes us everywhere for 100 but taxi to airport was still costly at 700 and it's only 30 kms from Patong , roughly Silom -Swampy distance.

As for the gay scene everything is close in few sois of Paradise Complex. My two massage experiences were less than thrilling ( too greedy , another too speedy ) but it's only statistic sample of two so perhaps I had bad luck.

ZAG club was both nights packed, I had fun but again did not get lucky hooking up with somebody, not for lack of trying , mind you. It seems boys there are skilled in extracting drinks from customers but perhaps I was not attractive enough to get that 'wink, wink , where's your hotel? are you travelling alone? " paradise leading questions.

I did not try that new club CRUISE and I'm spitting at myself in the mirror when shaving every morning for good reason. After I left I learned that they had grand opening celebrations  at time when I was there and one of guests was Arthur Rangsit , one of my favorite Thai porn actors. Stupid people never had it easy I guess. 

Nicest thing about Phuket was that airfare out of Bangkok was extremely affordable, sadly it can't be said about flying from Phuket to Utapao (Pattaya ) but I guess volume is not there.

Hotel and restaurant prices were I'd say in line, perhaps bit higher but again , my sample is too small.

All in all I think for what I need I like Pattaya better but if opportunity comes I can easily envision visiting Phuket , specially Patong  with it's gay scene , again. It probably would be nice to rent a car or boy with a car and have sightseeing done at my own pace as opposite to tour rhythm. 

 

[forrestreid]

Really enjoying this trip report. Some great photos from Cambodia, and those pictures of Sukhothai are making me want to visit myself.

You never told me, when we met in Bangkok, that you were going to Phuket, I was of course just back from my Patong Beach stay. Probably for the best, saved you from having to listen to my unneeded advice, lol

I got a sense of déjà vu when I saw your photos. The ones from Zag could have been mine, and the day trip I took was exactly the same itinerary, except on my tour, we didn’t visit the Tiger sanctuary.

 

 

 

[vinapu]

31 minutes ago, forrestreid said:

Really enjoying this trip report. Some great photos from Cambodia, and those pictures of Sukhothai are making me want to visit myself.

You never told me, when we met in Bangkok, that you were going to Phuket, I was of course just back from my Patong Beach stay. Probably for the best, saved you from having to listen to my unneeded advice, lol

 

When we met it was day before my trip to Sukhotai with K so it was likely all was on my mind. Phuket part  this trip was more afterthought. 

Sukhotai is definitely worth a visit and as I said earlier , on day of departure from there I had a feeling I can start all over again there.

You did not miss anything other that possibly beer and ice cream by skipping tiger sanctuary

[vinapu]

Day 22

 I woke up at 7 as at 8 I was supposed to join the tour and wanted to eat some breakfast. I found some restaurant already opened on the main street and had quite opulent breakfast for 200. Returned to hotel only to find out that van is already waiting . Since I had my day pack with me I did not even go to my room  but  got into van to find insider already family of 5 , all my compatriots. It turned out that only other family of 4 is joining us and one stop,  few more minutes later we were on the way to the pier.

But schedule is schedule so all that fast pick up meant only longer waiting for boat departure. Fortunately there were some snacks , coffee and tea available for free and beer for purchase for 60 baht so waiting was spent nicely.

Main goal for me was James Bond Island with famous and photogenic rock but first stop was rock with bat cave  . We went there on kayaks and yes , bats were there and stench was so intensive that few people almost threw out.

Than another stop at some picturesque  mid-sea rocks with another sea  kayak round. On the way to James Bond Island we were served lunch and it was filling and tasty. Throughout the cruise some drinks were free and beer was available for purchase.  

 

Surprisingly perhaps majority of ship passengers  were from Middle East with very strong Omani contingent and it was interested to see cultural differences as some of their ladies were  covered had to toe plus face but there were few who were dressed I no more than dental floss sized bathing costumes. Even more interesting , both groups interacted freely and obviously friendly. It must be Thai air dissolving prejudices.

On James Bond Island we were given some free time , island is very small but there are numerous nooks and crannies to explore plus several souvenir stall to browse.

 

 

There are toilet facilities and men’s urinals are truly ones with the view.  

After ;leaving island there were brief stop  for sea swimming by some lonely rock and as sun started to go down we returned to the illustrious shore.

By time we were delivered to Patong it was dark. Cruise  was truly enjoyable and highlight not only of Phuket part  but whole trip. And I had beaten my cousin to the Bond’s rock , seeing which is long dream of his. Life is fair, he dis not see rock, I did not see even one Bond movie.

 In hotel I refreshed myself and went to have some dinner ( you know what I had ) and ordered taxi to airport for tomorrow at the same kiosk I bought both of my tours.700 baht which seemed price posted in few other places as well.

At 10 pm I went to ZAG  welcomed by waiter of my adoration yesterday but today because it was much more crowded then yesterday he was much busier to keep me company. Not that I needed it as soon as I gulped my beer I went to Grinder and saw Z, hero of one of my pre-covid trip whom I met in Jomtien and took with me for few days to Bangkok. In covid time he disappeared from the scene and now , unmistakably it was him.  Wasted no time to send him a message and basically whole evening and night I was checking if he responded to no avail.

 At 11 as yesterday we were invited inside where I tipped 100 baht one of their models. As soon as he left scene he came to me and wasted no time to exchange Line as well as extract few drinks from me. We were supposed to meet in my hotel lobby after club closes . I left solving puzzle what happens  if Z also responds to time it will actually happen. Shortly before club closed at 2 am I went to lobby and till 3 nether Z responded nor my new Cambodian friend did show  up. So I gave up , made stroll through deserted Paradise sois, checked Grindr and Line for messages again to find nothing and went to bed but not before smartly setting alarm clock at 10.am.

Not particularly successful night but I was not disappointed nor upset , just tired.

[vinapu]

 

Day 23

 Setting alarm clock was smart as I woke up at 9.55, 5 minutes before it sounded. Yes , first thing was to grab the phone, On Grindr response from Z timed about 1 hr after I went to bed so I was already asleep. I responded right away where I am and what time I will be leaving.  On line message from Cambodian “ ??? “ send at 8.in the morning. So I asked why you did not show up? Only to get exactly the same “detailed” response .

 I left it as that, shower , packing up. I went for breakfast checking Grindr every few minutes but it was silent . At noon my taxi arrived and Z responded only when I was half way to the airport . Too late to meet unfortunately.

Today I’m flying to Utapao, airport near Pattaya. Not cheapest option but fastest as it by passes Bangkok and saves time waiting for the next bus to Pattaya at Swampy. And flight is with Bangkok Airways , it means there will be a meal and it was, very tasty at that. It took 90 minutes by turboprop. As bonus seat beside me was empty, always adds a bit of comfort. Habit of flying in the back pays again.

Here it is:

 

At Utapao there were two options of getting to the city – taxi and van offering door to door delivery for 300 baht if I recall correctly. I don’t think taxi was much more expensive but I decided to take van so van it was. We got to outskirts very fast but in Pattaya itself it was nightmare- 6 pm traffic with streets choked. I got great idea when van was dropping some guys at hotel near VC hotel I alighted and walked 10 minutes to my Copa in Boyztown certainly beating vehicle which was due to drop two other people somewhere before heading my way.

 Evert trip I try to treat myself with some luxurious digs for 2-3 nights. This time it was King suite at Copa with bedroom and living areas completely separated by the full bathroom in the middle.

 

I made myself at home , at about 8 pm. Bkkmfj from the forum showed up  and we sat down on Copa’s terrace to exchange latest and bit dated news as it was out first meet in about 1 year.

 When we got hungry we decided to snack on banana pancake in soi 13/1  for half of Phuket price and then headed to Dreamboys as this was my number 1  direction this trip. One of our member was there month ago and highly recommended #37 from there. Since he is one with taste mirroring mine there was no ifs, just go to Dreamboys. There were few attractive boys on the stage but no #37. There was #36 , very handsome , tall , well built and one who was actually dancing on the stage. So I thought my friend just mixed up number and had in mind #36 .

It was only one problem , he did not pay any attention to me, Bkkmfj even noticed he is not paying attention to anybody, just his view in the mirror on the wall. But there is cure for every malady so I used world renown and patented  solution – vinapu tuck.

 Yes, red note well placed inside of his , needs to be said, well filled briefs generated smile, this generated motion to come and sit down beside , drink offer and off. You go with me? Yes, long time ? Why not? Sealed.

It’s how I like it, I knew it will work well.

In meantime , rest assured my friend Bkkmfj find way of occupying himself with suitable company but that is his business. We left at the same time but in different directions.

 Arm,  my guy,  suggested we visit bar of his friend for a drink and I gladly agreed , it turned out that bar in in old Vassa bar location. I sensed it was right thing to do as that had a lot to talk about to an extend that friend even apologized that she is taking by guys and mine time by yakking and yakking but I had fun listening and as I said ,

I sensed it was bit more that killing time. Arm said he is her best friend and I could feel some human bond  between two. He was not shy to let me to hold his hand in plain view and it did not create any sensation among few other patrons who a gathered there in meantime. This is Pattaya after all. After hour or so we went to the room and fun started. He sensed immediately what I like and made sure I liked whom I had.

[reader]

44 minutes ago, vinapu said:

 On line message from Cambodian “ ??? “ send at 8.in the morning. So I asked why you did not show up? Only to get exactly the same “detailed” response . I

“???” is apparently a fall back for a multitude of boys on the game. It serves  as a cover for all kinds of gaffs—intentional, inadvertent or whatever fits situation. Had it used on me a week ago as excuse for missed massage appointment in the form of bear with two question marks above. 
 

[vinapu]

22 minutes ago, reader said:

“???” is apparently a fall back for a multitude of boys on the game. It serves  as a cover for all kinds of gaffs—intentional, inadvertent or whatever fits situation. Had it used on me a week ago as excuse for missed massage appointment in the form of bear with two question marks above. 
 

they can use as many question marks they  like  but I'm not second guessing . After receiving 2nd set of those all subsequent messages including ' can I see you in your hotel in Bangkok  ? " went unanswered

[vinapu]

Day 24

 There was bond and dynamics and as result it was only 11 am when we went for  a breakfast to Beer Garden  in mouths of Walking Street he suggested,. Nice place with the breeze and a view of the bay.  

 I suggested he will come during day but answer was bit harsh “ I have a life, need to go to the beach and the gym”, when I mused that those are not revenue generating activities he said that he doesn’t like customers to control his life. And about the beach – he is unique among Thai boys because he has that sexy tan line outlining his briefs !

Whoa ho,  but having fresh in memory excellent time we just had together I actually liked his honesty and straightforwardness and very fact that he knows how to keep balance between income generating and fun. In short , just like me who few month ago decided to stop working fully knowing how much I will be losing in terms of money. So no, I did not take any offence, even if  he sprinkled it with musing that I’m boring, lol. No doubt guy has character and I like it.

 I did not say anything but knew already where I will be heading for my tonight’s catch.

So we parted ways, he went to have his life  and I went to have mine. ZJ , our former  member visited me at Copa for a chat , then we went to Terminal 21 for a lunch . After that   we parted ways promising to meet in the evening at Jomtien Complex. I went to Paradise Spa for massage with Wit who right away recognized me and said ‘ my Casanova is here “ . Nice to be home, he, he. Rest of day I spent lazybuming and on computer. In the evening I went to Jomtien , had a chat and a drink with one of boys in Your Place bar , then with ZJ  and Gerefan at @Home bar before returning to Dreamboys exactly at 10pm.

 No my forum friend did not mix the numbers. #37 was there. What a hunk!!! Unfortunately he was already sitting in the audience , mamas an told me waiting for his customer to show up and soon after lucky guy, tall  farang in mid 40 ties grabbed him off.

 Not that I was left empty handed. Arm happy to have his life during day seemed very happy to see me again. Boring , controlling who cares ? Smile was broad and when I motioned him to come it become VERY BROAD. Going with me ? Why not ? was the answer. We went to the same place for dinner, returned to his friend bar for a drink like last night and  went home for another fun filled night. It was actually even more fun because we had some nice talk and he opened up a bit.

 

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

Arm happy to have his life during day seemed very happy to see me again. Boring , controlling who cares

If this is the same Arm, which I'm sure it is.....things start out amazingly for sex and quickly downhill afterwards, hooks you in to think every night will be amazing, then blah. Was my experience anyway.....I still say hi when I see him, but if other options are available.....which there usually are, I let him "have his life" , lol 

[bkkmfj2648]

12 hours ago, vinapu said:

In meantime , rest assured my friend Bkkmfj find way of occupying himself with suitable company but that is his business. We left at the same time but in different directions.

It was great to see you again Vinapu and to catch up after 1 year.

Firstly, I loved those urinal photos that you took from Phuket.  That is very original.  I guess the only things that can watch you piss are the bats and birds ?

Since you shared with us you offing sexy ARM - I can share that I offed 2 small guys that looked almost like brothers - but one was Thai and the other Cambodian (? was that correct Vinapu ?) - anyway they lived kind of near each other where only the Thai/Cambodian border separated them but they met in Pattaya in the go-go bar scene and then became good friends.  I used the usual technique - call down the first guy and see if he is cool with the second guy - which the mamsans confirmed and were elated that Vinapu and myself - we offed 3 of their best looking guys within 30 minutes ?

Were mine good ?  Yes, we got the deed done in bed but only after I fed them as they were both starving and we made a food stall stop on the way to my place.  Then after everybody's respective orgasms - they showered and left - unlike Vinapu - I love to sleep alone - as I find it difficult to sleep with one eye open.

And remember Vinapu - I want to join you one time in BKK - because since I retired here in Jomtien since September 2022, I have only been in BKK (other than the airport) 1 single time - and it was for shopping.  So, I need a Vinapu training course regarding the delights of BKK and the guys.....

But I am not complaining - as Pattaya and Jomtien keep my hands busy....

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, floridarob said:

If this is the same Arm, which I'm sure it is.....things start out amazingly for sex and quickly downhill afterwards, hooks you in to think every night will be amazing, then blah. Was my experience anyway.....I still say hi when I see him, but if other options are available.....which there usually are, I let him "have his life" , lol 

Whatever it is , my experience with him  for those  two nights were definitely both memorable and enjoyable , counting among the best of this entire long and successful trip. 

Sure , after a while,  it happens that  boys start slacking and taking us for granted but so far I'll be happy to return to his embraces. 

[vinapu]

23 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Firstly, I loved those urinal photos that you took from Phuket.  That is very original.  I guess the only things that can watch you piss are the bats and birds ?

.............

And remember Vinapu - I want to join you one time in BKK -.....  So, I need a Vinapu training course regarding the delights of BKK and the guys.....

 

correct, way they were located only spying was available from above , add , climbers  and paragliders to bats and birds.

I will make sure to keep you posted about my next trip whenever it will be, no immediate plans now but sometimes I act amazingly fast. Will be happy to help you to find Bangkok charms. In the BKK-Pattaya split I'm firmly on Bangkok side although rare is Thai trip without me going to Pattaya for at least few days. Now with Arm and #37 discovery , even more reasons to come, lol.

[vinapu]

 

Day 25

I like guys who are not rushing things and won’t go until I let them and he sensed it very well.

We kind of overslept so breakfast was out of question , I gave him some money to buy himself something , I packed my few things and went to Jomtien bus station where I had 11.30 bus booked yesterday. When booking I had choice of 11.30 or 14.00. All buses in between were already filled up. With enough time to eat something I grabbed coffee and  a sandwich in  small place at the station.

There was some rain mid way to Bangkok. In Silom  first I went to Foodland for lunch greeted by few smiles of staff as I was away for almost week.

 Room at Bann Silom was ready , I got the same I had last week.

Not long after I had guest. N , my occasional visitor not from the scene messaged me this morning that he is free in the afternoon and can come. That is way we operate- he lets me know when he is free (or short of cash or both) and I tell him yes or no. No fuss from either side.

We had good , even  quite romantic time till 7.30 , broken with KFC treats he ordered on his way.

In the evening after he left I went for a stroll poking my head here and there , stopped at Hot Male for a drink, then went to Moonlight where I was surprised how few clients graced an audience.  

 Brave models  and floor boys still presented themselves to very few of us , only just before show crowd thickened a bit but not more than half of  seats were filled. At times I had impression there were more waiters than spectators. Hope situation improves as all in that is my favorite bar at the moment.

I was hoping Y will be there  but he did not show up or was already taken so I settled for so called second best AP whom I had already before in hard covid times. Long time no problem as he remembered me well , even hotel where we met but quoted me way more than I was willing to pay so bit firm price reduction was demanded by me before we settled on terms, lol  I think in passing that scarcity of customers may have something to do with tips expected.

 We went to Happy Beer Garden for a dinner and pleasant conversation before we went to hotel for our reunion

 

[floridarob]

8 hours ago, vinapu said:

for those  two nights were definitely both memorable and enjoyable , counting among the best of this entire long and successful trip. 

I wrote here that he was Brazilian quality good sex the 1st time, 2nd night so so, then more downhill from there.....I have a feeling I might be a little more work than you, but that's just a guess, lol

[a-447]

20 hours ago, vinapu said:

they can use as many question marks they  like  but I'm not second guessing . After receiving 2nd set of those all subsequent messages including ' can I see you in your hotel in Bangkok  ? " went unanswered

You could have replied with "???".

[vinapu]

13 minutes ago, a-447 said:

You could have replied with "???".

I thought , in circumstances,  my time will be better used by not engaging in any further exchange

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, floridarob said:

 have a feeling I might be a little more work than you, but that's just a guess, lol

possible. For me he was very good both nights as I said above.

We all have our specifications and hope our boys will work according to them so I guess I got lucky by landing suitable guy

[vinapu]

 

Day 26

It was nice but for a price I’d say it could be better specially that in the morning AP announced that he needs to go. That was reasonable 7 am and it saved me buying him breakfast but still I’m not fan of boys saying good bye first  unless timeframe was agreed beforehand.

 After breakfast  I went to Main post office on Charoen Krung , there’s always small collector market in the corner at front of it and I wanted to check their offerings. Did not leave them  empty handed but with lighter pocket , that’s for sure. Returned by the bus I boarded randomly and which turned out passing by Wat Hualampong.

For 14.30 to Jey Spa, I had an appointment with Mavin, our first. On the picture he looked more massive but service was as good as Maii’s or Noom, my favorites there so all good.

From there to Madrid Tavern for my last pizza this trip. Then to my room for bit of quiet rest.

 For tonight  I expect S , our 8^th meeting this trip and he showed up at 20.30, straight from the bus from home. Since he was hungry we went to Foodland , he made sure to pick up one of their cheapest thing on the menu, he certainly is not one set for milking farang out of every penny and then somebody may wonder how come he lands so many offs, right?

I also gave him 500 for off fee as he was supposed to work today and we returned to the room for out last night of embraces +++ this trip.

[TomNg]

Is there a Dreamboys bar in Pattaya ?  Is it a new bar?

[vinapu]

56 minutes ago, TomNg said:

Is there a Dreamboys bar in Pattaya ?  Is it a new bar?

Yes it is. It's old like Troy and always been there. In the same soi XBoys bar is , actually right across from XBoys