Trump Says All Immigrants Are "Poisoning The Blood" of the US.

[Moses]

2 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

What's more recent and far more important than Slovakia is what Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania just did to strengthen the NATO coalition.

Who cares? They aren't Russian speaking Ukraine. There are no huge Russian diaspora.

It all started with a Western-inspired coup in Ukraine in 2014, after which the nationalists killed 16,000 Russians in southeastern Ukraine, and Crimea fled completely. In 2022, Russia's patience has run out.

The result is known in advance: 145 million versus 25 million does not leave Ukraine a single chance.

[stevenkesslar]

6 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

You're almost proud of the fact that lots of Russian soldiers, who attacked Ukraine, are turning Ukrainians into meat and fertilizer before they are turned into meat and fertilizer themselves. 

 

5 minutes ago, Moses said:

And now Ukraine even searching ways to force these who ran from mobilization abroad to came back and fight... because they want 500,000 fresh meat to substitute already utilized.

Thank you for confirming my point.  This is sick.  This is sadism.  Putin will lose.

If you had the vaguest clue how democracies and free nations work, you would understand this is precisely why the entire world will buy Putin's cheap stuff even as they organize his defeat.  

I feel very sorry for the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians who have been and will be turned into meat.  But that's the point.  Russia is not a democracy, and it is not free.  So your sadistic butcher will turn as many Russians into meat as he needs to.  And you seem to be proud of it.

[Moses]

4 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

This is sick.  This is sadism.

Nope. It is realism.

It is not Russia that catches Ukrainian conscripts on Ukrainian streets, and now on foreign streets, in order to send them to the front. This is the Zelensky regime, sponsored by the West.

And the longer the West supplies Zelensky with weapons, the more will die. Let me remind you: it was Boris Johnson who dissuaded Zelensky from peace negotiations in the first months of the conflict. Now your hands are bloody.

[stevenkesslar]

7 minutes ago, Moses said:

And the longer the West supplies Zelensky with weapons, the more will die. Let me remind you: it was Boris Johnson who dissuaded Zelensky from peace negotiations in the first months of the conflict. Now your hands are bloody.

Again, everyone else has tuned out.  And I am starting to.

I get it.  You want to blame "the West" for the fact that Ukraine wants to be free and democratic.  You want to blame "the West" for the fact that Ukrainians don't want peace with a sadistic butcher.  Because they don't trust a sadistic butcher who has raped their women, killed their children, and tortured and slaughtered their men.  When a sadistic butcher invades Ukraine and creates a bloodbath, killing hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians, it is very important for you to insist that my hands are bloody.  You may as well blame all 49 nations who are arming Ukraine.  It is their fault for not wanting to make peace with a sadistic butcher.  That is your argument.

Thank you for illustrating what denial means.  You of course don't understand this is why I know you will lose.

I can tell you how this worked in America.  But you won't get it.  I remember a conversation with my own father, a World War 2 veteran, when the Iraq War was going really badly.  He insisted we should keep fighting, so the Iraqi people had a chance at democracy.  It was our version of the propaganda I am sure you (and now the Chinese) see on the news every day.  I wasn't going to tell my Dad, "So, basically, you think we should continue the bloodbath, so that more Iraqi children are slaughtered."  I loved and respected my Dad.  So that was something I just wasn't going to say.  But it helps explain why the US lost.  Any why it took us a very long and bloody time to lose.  So if you want to say the US has blood on our hands because of Iraq, help yourself.  I agree.

Now you are in the same position.   if you want to be smug and overconfident about what a good job Russia is doing killing and raping and imposing hell on Ukraine, go ahead.  Believe me, I get it.  I watched my country do a version of this in Iraq.  And we had way, way, way more military power than Putin has. 

So be overconfident.  Be convinced you will win.  Be proud of creating an unprovoked bloodbath.  Celebrate all the raping and torturing and murdering.  Rejoice at how many children your sadistic butcher has killed and kidnapped. 

I predicted that is why the US would lose.  And we did.  Although we were nowhere near as sadistic.  We didn't kidnap children, and intentionally bomb shelters where children were trying to survive.  This is why Russia will lose.  It's only a matter of how much time and death and horror it takes.

[JKane]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[reader]

5 hours ago, Moses said:

And the longer the West supplies Zelensky with weapons, the more will die.

You mean they won't die if Russia keeps begging weapons from Iran and North Korea?

[unicorn]

14 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

... So the good news for Russia is that they get to have lots of their people turned into fertilizer if they want...

Russians pride themselves on how many of them die in conflicts (the only country that I know of which prides itself in its own citizens' deaths). And they don't mind eating each other like cannibals if needed.

[Moses]

1 hour ago, unicorn said:

And they don't mind eating each other like cannibals if needed.

Right. In addition, we drink vodka instead of breakfast, lunch and dinner, and during breaks we play balalaikas and walk our pet bears, wearing bast shoes and ushankas (earflaps).

[Latbear4blk]

5 hours ago, Moses said:

Right. In addition, we drink vodka instead of breakfast, lunch and dinner, and during breaks we play balalaikas and walk our pet bears, wearing bast shoes and ushankas (earflaps).

That is a nice come back!

[stevenkesslar]

10 hours ago, unicorn said:

And they don't mind eating each other like cannibals if needed.

 

9 hours ago, Moses said:

Right. In addition, we drink vodka instead of breakfast, lunch and dinner, and during breaks we play balalaikas and walk our pet bears, wearing bast shoes and ushankas (earflaps).

Well, there is good news, @Moses.  If Hannibal Lecter is Russian, he won't have many brains to eat.   Because, thanks to Putin, there won't be many left.  

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Those who have fled tend to be young and well-educated professionals, leading some economists to suggest that the Russian brain drain is worsening.^[62] More than 50,000 Russian information technology specialists have left Russia.^[63]

Come to think of it, if Putin is ever held accountable and loses his job, he could play an aging Hannibal in the sequel.

[Moses]

On 12/22/2023 at 11:04 PM, stevenkesslar said:

He insisted we should keep fighting, so the Iraqi people had a chance at democracy.

Yeah, as result of "democracy" US killed over half million of people and in World appeared most strict Islamic regime. Good work (not). You may be proud (not).

[stevenkesslar]

56 minutes ago, Moses said:

Yeah, as result of "democracy" US killed over half million of people and in World appeared most strict Islamic regime. Good work (not). You may be proud (not).

You're welcome.

You keep making my argument.  My point is that kind of thinking in the US led to four things:  1) dead Americans, 2) dead Iraqis, 3) global humiliation and weakening of the US, 4)  Donald Trump, as a reaction.  So that was all very, very, very bad news for the US.  And the world, I think.  And as an opponent of the Iraq War from Day One, I completely agree with you.  I'd even give you a hug.  Or let you spank me.  Except I'm afraid you might turn me into fertilizer. 😯

What's remarkable is that even though Russia has a smaller population than the US, a weaker military, and about 50 nations are flooding arms to Ukraine, somehow you think you are going to outperform the US.  You're in total denial.  Russia's fate will be the same, but far worse. 

But Putin's overconfidence and reckless spending is good news.  It's just a set up for Russia to lose.  I'd say Putin is spending like a drunk sailor.  But it's more like he's spending like a dead sailor.  I'm sorry so many Russians will have to die, thanks to Putin's sadism and overconfidence.

And Putin has far outperformed W. on sadism, rape, torture, child killing, and every measure of horror imaginable.  Maybe even cannibalism.  As of 2021 4500 US and allied troops were killed in Iraq.  Russian "meat" is at least 10 times that number, in your own words.  Probably in the hundreds of thousands, if your butcher was honest about how many Russians he has gotten killed so far.  And even if we take the number 500,000 dead Iraqis over the course of a few decades, Putin is doing a much better job of killing Ukrainians. 

There's another huge difference that is very bad news for Russia, even if we assume Putin "wins."  Remember, the US "won" the Iraq War.  Before it all went to hell.  The number of Iraqis actually killed by US and allied troops is, at most,  in the tens of thousands, by every count Wikipedia lists.  So the vast majority of civilian deaths in Iraq were caused by criminal gangs or terrorists like ISIS.  You can blame the US for opening Pandora's box.  But we didn't burn people on alive on video.

Russia has definitely opened Pandora's box.  But Ukrainians won't be killing each other.  They'll be killing Russians, happily, forever.  As long as Russians are in Ukraine, including Crimea, they now basically all have a sign that says "I am fertilizer" hanging over their heads.

Russia Withdraws Black Sea Fleet Vessels From Crimea Base After Ukrainian Attacks

 

Pullout represents painful setback for the Kremlin, which seized Crimea in 2014

I think the majority of Americans, like me, will follow the lead of Ukraine.  But at least to me it would be good news if the battle lines froze.  And Ukrainians stopped being slaughtered trying to make some Hollywood movie style breakthrough.  It's clear that for every Russian in occupied Ukraine, there is at least one, and maybe as many as five, Ukrainians who will gladly kill them when they have a chance.  Although if they are Russian big wigs, they'll have a cruise missile with their very own name on it.  Imagine what ISIS could have done if 50 nations in North America, Europe, and Asia were flooding weapons to them to kill Americans?

I think John Mearsheimer is probably right that Putin wouldn't want Kyiv or Lviv even if he could take it.  It would make it so easy to kill so many Russians.  Even a sadistic butcher like Putin might have a problem at home.  Not to mention how much it would cost him.  Which is clearly money Putin does not have.  So even if Putin can explode his war/butchering budget and hold all his lines, it's just a question of whether Russian soldiers are bled out quickly, or slowly.  And whether the Russian economy is bled out quickly, or slowly. 

Master Xi can keep his pit bull on a leash.  And buy his cheap shit.  But he can't stop that from happening.  Not unless Master Xi really wants World War 3.  Which he clearly doesn't.  Unlike Putin, Xi doesn't seem to think it makes sense to kill lots of his own people.

So I don't think you've even begun to realize the magnitude of how fucked Russia is.  Enjoy your overconfidence, while it lasts.

[Moses]

1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said:

somehow you think you are going to outperform the US

Sure. Because of nuclear weapon there will be no direct contact of US and Russian military. NATO military will stay away as well. And then we have 145:25 mln ratio in manpower. Guess who will win.

Besides this ratio, we have also Ukrainian corruption. Even now, in danger, Ukrainians continue to steal and sell. They steal and sell everything. Just today in Washington posts:

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The Ukrainian police have arrested a senior Defense Ministry official on suspicions that he embezzled nearly $40 million as part of a fraudulent purchase of artillery shells for Ukraine’s military.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/23/world/europe/ukraine-defense-official-arrest.html

And this is going in situation when Ukraine has only 10 shells per day per each artillery unit.

“What can you do with 10 shells per day?" 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/22/ukraine-ammunition-shortage-russia-war/

Please keep sponsorship. Ukrainian high rank officers need your money to keep their families on their villas around the world.
 

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, Moses said:

Sure. Because of nuclear weapon there will be no direct contact of US and Russian military. NATO military will stay away as well. And then we have 145:25 mln ratio in manpower. Guess who will win.

Duh!  The Ukrainians.  That's obvious.  Except to you, meathead.  

But there is more good news for you, my dear.

Hannibal can't eat your brain, either.  Because I have made the point about manpower several times.  And either you're in deep denial.  Or you are maybe kind of brainless.  🤪

1979:  Soviet Union invades Afghanistan.  Afghan population:  13 million.  USSR population:  262 million

Population ratio:  20 to 1 favoring Soviet Union    Winner of conflict:  Afghanistan

1994:  Chechen war begins   Chechnya population:  1.2 million     Russia population:  148 million

Population ratio:  125 to 1 favoring Russia    Winner of conflict:  Russia

2001:  United States invades Afghanistan   Afghan population:  20 million   US population:  285 million

Population ratio:   14 to 1 favoring United States    Winner of conflict:  Aghanistan

2003:  United states invades Iraq   Iraq population:  27 million  US population:  292 million

Population ratio:  11 to 1 favoring United States     Winner of conflict:  Iraq

2022:  Russia invades Ukraine   Ukraine population:  44 million      Russia population:  143 million

Population ratio:   3 to 1 favoring Russia                Winner of conflict:  Take a guess?

You are so deeply in denial and so allergic to any fact that forces you to confront reality that you had to misrepresent population.  Just like you totally misrepresented Putin's budget, to hide how he is bleeding your economy, your schools, and your hospitals dry.  But even if I give you the 6 to 1 ratio implied by your bogus Ukraine population of 25 million, you are still deeply fucked.

Even when Putin really got going in 1999, it took a couple years and mass slaughter and bombardment to mostly pacify Chechnya.  And that was a separatist conflict in your own country, where Chechnya was basically on its own.

The Afghanistan conflict is much closer to this bloodbath.  But all the metrics say Russia should be doing worse.  And it is.  It's much more of a fair fight, just in terms of manpower. Ukraine turned into a quagmire for Russia much quicker.  Almost immediately.  So you're up to your old sadistic tricks of massive bombardment and slaughter and depopulation.  But it ain't working any better.  In Afghanistan, you didn't have 50 or so well organized nations arming a standing national army.  Now you do.  Which explains why it is vastly more effective to turn Russians into fertilizer.  Whether they are some poor schmuck who got drafted, or an honored Russian general.

No wonder Putin is desperate to bleed Russia dry, in every way, to at least try to appear to win.  Or just have a stalemate.

The person who makes your argument best - better than you - is Mearsheimer.  His argument is that the country with more soldiers and more weapons win.  But it is obviously not that simple.  If there is any simple formula here, it's that if you are going to invade another country, or even put down a separatist rebellion, you better have a 100 to 1 force ratio.  And a lot of time and money.  And a lot of men who either want to fertilizer, or have no choice.

Good luck, dear.  You'll need it.  And try to be safe out there.

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, Moses said:

Besides this ratio, we have also Ukrainian corruption.

Ukrainian corruption?  That's a good one!

[Marc in Calif]

2 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

Ukrainian corruption?  That's a good one!

It's also the standard right-wing Republican talking point -- originally spouted by Drumpf himself. 🙃

His buddy Vlad whispered it in his ear and the dummy started believing it. 🟥

[forky123]

5 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

Duh!  The Ukrainians.  That's obvious.  Except to you, meathead.  

Not if the US and EU do not get their funding sorted out. Republicans and Hungary are doing Putin's bidding and blocking aid packages which is going to affect Ukraine's ability to continue fighting. Worse, come next November there is currently every chance of the Republican nutjobs running all 3 branches of government which has every chance of removing the US from NATO.

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, forky123 said:

Not if the US and EU do not get their funding sorted out. Republicans and Hungary are doing Putin's bidding and blocking aid packages which is going to affect Ukraine's ability to continue fighting. Worse, come next November there is currently every chance of the Republican nutjobs running all 3 branches of government which has every chance of removing the US from NATO.

That's all true.  The worst case scenario is no funding for Ukraine from the US, for a while at least, and Trump wins in November 2024.  I agree.

That said, I stand by what I said.  I don't think Ukraine will give up.  I guess the furthest I would go is that Putin is able to take a few more provinces.  But the bad news for Putin is that any "win," just like in Afghanistan and Iraq, sets the stage for more bloodbath.  I just down see Americans say, "Geez, wouldn't it be nice if a butcher like Putin ruled the world and killed us."

The action is always in the reaction.  Just like when Putin invaded Ukraine in the first place.  I think the US, and especially Trump, can help Putin by making it easy for him to be a sadistic butcher.  But no matter how fucked up the US is, and how awful Trump is, I don't think the US or Trump can make Putin win or Ukraine lose.  No matter what, Ukrainians will be doing everything they can to kill as many Russians as they can.  And this will continue to warp Russia's economy.

EU vows Ukraine will get its money — with or without Orbán’s support

Leaders are willing to bust Europe’s hallowed unity if that’s what it takes to send cash to Kyiv.

If it were up to me, I would say of course the US will be Ukraine's biggest funder.  That is the image I would want the US to have in the world.  But if it turns out even Biden and McConnell can't get their way, it is not the worst thing in the world that Europe has to lead the effort to stand up to Putin, at least for a while.

Vast majority of Europeans see Russia as an adversary, poll finds

On average, two-thirds of the people polled across 10 European countries consider Russia as a rival to their own country.

That's a massive change from a decade ago.  Europeans see Putin as a butcher and Russia as a country the want to weaken.  The country in the world most likely to implode in the next decade is Russia.  They're fucked.  

Support for US Commitment to NATO at 48-Year High

That poll is a year old.  But I don't think much has changed.  90 % of Democrats and 3 in 4 Independents and Republicans support maintaining or increasing support for NATO.   The notion that NATO or the US or the EU are just gonna roll over and let Master Xi's pit bull win is ridiculous.  Ain't gonna happen.  Even if Trump is elected.  Which I don't think is gonna happen, either.

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[stevenkesslar]

 

Russia is the most fucked place on the planet.  Most people don't even want it to exist.  Most people don't want Putin to exist.  Most people wish this whole part of the world called Russia could just be flushed down the toilet.  Putin's legacy is that people all over the world will think of Russians and Russia as this fucked up murderous mess.  Nobody needs it.  Nobody wants it.  Everyone wants Putin dead and Russia to no longer exist.  

Will people buy real cheap shit from Russia?  Sure.  So we have the US stock market at all time highs, racing to lead AI.  We have a China that is economically weak, but still leading in many technological areas, like from supersonic fighter jets to electric cars.  Russia is leading the world in guns, butchering people, and turning their men into fertilizer.  Putin has distorted and warped their economy.  Russia's economy now depends on selling cheap shit and killing hundreds of thousands of Russians.  If they grow 3 % for a year, so what?  We all still think they suck, and we want them to be weak or dead.  They're fucked to a level they do not even realize.

RUSSIA

Almost half of global strategists think Russia could become a failed state within the next 10 years

Most people on the planet want Russia to go bye bye.  This is an extremely harsh verdict that is reserved for few countries in history.  But Russia is there.  People all across the planet want Putin dead, and Russia dead.  They literally want Russia not to exist.  And it is quite likely that in the next decade that will happen.  

You can already see this in the difference between the invasions of Iraq by the US and Afghanistan by either the US and USSR.  In all three of those cases, it at least looked like the invader won for a while.  They did take over the government and the army, for a while.  Putin has been humiliated from Day One.  He can't take over the government, army, or people of Ukraine.  Sure, he's a big strong guy.  His soldiers can rape women and kill children before they are killed themselves.  But that's not winning a war.  Putin's big victory right now is that Ukraine could not make him lose in 2023.  That's it.  If anyone thinks that a ratio of 3 Russians to 1 Ukrainian makes it inevitable Putin will win, why didn't that happen in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Putin is fucked, and Russia is fucked.  What is happening right now is NOT why Putin will win.  It is why the future breakup of Russia is accelerating. 

[Moses]

7 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

Ukraine population:  44 million 

There never was 44 mln at past 10 years in Ukraine.

Before coup in 2014 3 mln were workers in Poland.
Russia took 2.5 mln with Crimea
On taken territories are living 5 mln
There are 2 mln of Ukrainian refugees in Russia
There are 8 mln of Ukrainian refugees in EU, Canada and US

Max population of Ukraine is now 24-25 mln
 

 

[Moses]

2 hours ago, forky123 said:

Republicans and Hungary are doing Putin's bidding and blocking aid packages which is going to affect Ukraine's ability to continue fighting.

You forgot new govt of Slovakia and Netherlands. More will come.

[stevenkesslar]

4 minutes ago, Moses said:

There never was 44 mln at past 10 years in Ukraine.

Before coup in 2014 3 mln were workers in Poland.
Russia took 2.5 mln with Crimea
On taken territories are living 5 mln
There are 2 mln of Ukrainian refugees in Russia
There are 8 mln of Ukrainian refugees in EU, Canada and US

Max population of Ukraine is now 24-25 mln
 

 

You can pick any number you want, @Moses.

But this is the point of that poll.  This is why the world views Russia as this awful place they want to go bye bye, with this sadistic butcher they wish were dead.  They want your country to not exist.  And it's probably about a 50/50 chance that Russia won't exist in a decade.  Enjoy it while it lasts.

Nobody admires Russia for wanting to butcher men, woman, and children and depopulate a country.  They want Russia to go bye bye as quickly as possible.  That is Putin's legacy for all time.  You're fucked.  Yeah, you can kill lots of men, women, and children in the meantime.  And sit back and gloat as hundreds of thousands of Russians die.  But Russia is fucked in a way it does not even begin to understand.  You are doing a great job giving voice to the desperation and denial.

[Moses]

18 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

But this is the point of that poll.  This is why the world views Russia as this awful place they want to go bye bye, with this sadistic butcher they wish were dead.

Dreams... dreams...

You should add to these "24 country" which were carefully picked for poll by editor, Africa and China, and you will see- most of world prefers Russia to US.

Do you forgot? Only 17.5% countries joined to West sanctions. Rest countries shows middle finger to sanctions.

[forky123]

I take it that's 17.5% of countries and not 17.5% of the trade they represent. 

As for countries supporting Russia, most don't.

 

[stevenkesslar]

21 minutes ago, Moses said:

Dreams... dreams...

You should add to these "24 country" which were carefully picked for poll by editor, Africa and China, and you will see- most of world prefers Russia to US.

We got facts.  You've got dreams.

Let's see.  Is South Africa in Africa?  I think so.  They don't like you.

The one country on that list that likes Russia in India.  Because you sell them cheap shit.

And Master Xi does not like his sadistic pit bull.  HE LOVES HIM.  Master Xi will buy as much cheap shit as his desperate little sadistic pit bull will sell.  No doubt.  The little murderous pit bull will no doubt survive for years as he weakens Russia.  As long as he stays on Master Xi's leash, and doesn't fuck things up too much.  Master Xi could give a shit how many hundreds of thousands of Russians die.  We all know Master Xi looks down on his mongrel pit bull and his people, anyway.  He's just using you.

If you like being on Master Xi's leash and being used, good for you.  I'm happy for you.