My First Time in Bangkok - November 2023 Trip Report

[srvhakko]

I read your trip reports with interest. I'm sorry about your disappointment with the guy at the moonlight bar. Moonlight bar is my favorite because the staff and captains are very friendly. I loved the energy and atmosphere there. I think I lost my heart to a Laotian who worked there. I've been out with him 12 times in the last 3 trips. I am planning a new trip in 2 weeks and would like to write a report.

[reader]

Peter, you seem to harbor a particular disdain for men in your own age group. They appear to represent everything that's wrong with the gay scene in Bangkok. You present yourself as above it all who is sought out as a sex partner when he travels aboard for the pleasure of your company. And your partners are all educated, "intelligent university men" who all approach you first. Give me a break!

So it's us slobs who are dating the hoi polloi who didn't neatly fit into your construct of your ideal sex partner. You purport to know exactly what goes on on Soi 4, Patpong and wherever us undesirables congregate.

Your have written regularly about your partner. You're the one who introduced him into various threads. You made him part of your narrative. I even agreed that he--and his friend who sleeps on the sofa bed in your living room--made a good decision in deciding not to return to a gay bar. I joked that they may have wished to wait to hear the offer from the old gent in your age range before they tossed their drinks over him. Granted if I said they may want to delay their action because their glasses maybe contained a luscious Mouton Rothschild it would have come across as the pun it was intended to be.

There's no cause to apologize for the comments of myself or Floridarob for disrupting this thread (feel free to include yourself, Peter). You have apparently missed the point that this thread (and it is indeed excellent) is all about sexual desire and seduction.

Soon or later you're going to accept the fact that you're an old timer just like the great majority of contributors to this forum. You may drink better wines and dine at better restaurants than they rest of us but you still pursue young men for your pleasure. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

 

 

[PeterRS]

1 hour ago, reader said:

Peter, you seem to harbor a particular disdain for men in your own age group. They appear to represent everything that's wrong with the gay scene in Bangkok. You present yourself as above it all who is sought out as a sex partner when he travels aboard for the pleasure of your company. And your partners are all educated, "intelligent university men" who all approach you first. Give me a break!

Yet another piece of trite nonsense. Grow up @reader! Not everyone is like your good self.

1 hour ago, reader said:

Soon or later you're going to accept the fact that you're an old timer just like the great majority of contributors to this forum.

And that is precisely what you wrote when you were attacking my posts a couple of years or so ago by suggesting nobody lived in Bangkok and did not go to gay bars etc. You have obviously forgotten that I sent you a PM and suggested we bury the hatchet - as it were. You agreed and thanked me for suggesting it. But guess what? Now it all comes spilling out again. I am not like you, thankfully, and I do not try to live the sort of life you live! Similarly, although you may not like to admit it, you are not like me. Everyone on this Board is different and we should be relishing our diversity. But you just will not accept it and your method is to attack! So quit the name calling and the incorrect assumptions just because they do not fit your idea of what an older expat in Bangkok should be doing!

[reader]

1 hour ago, PeterRS said:

Similarly, although you may not like to admit it, you are not like me.

As the day is long, Peter, please be assured that I have no problem whatsoever in acknowledging that I am not like you. 😉

But sure, let's bury the hatchet.

[floridarob]

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

10 hours ago, floridarob said:

how old is your partner??

That has absolutely nothing to do with issue,

So much to cover here, I won't waste it with any more of these 🙄, because there would be a lot .

You think that the mid 20's, raging hormones is only with you?? your Rose colored glasses maybe?

 

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

I have never written anything other than I have enjoyed the life of a gay man to the full. I was never an angel! And having discovered Bangkok and much of the rest of Asia from 1979, I have written qute a few times that I was always a regular in go-go bars, saunas and latterly at host bars in quite a number of Asia's cities. I have never once tried to disguise that.

SO you're not the angle/saint that you try to portray, perhaps these days with lower Testosterone you are, but during the 80's, lmao

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

my partner is totally off limits

Maybe to customers but to other gay boys??? If you say yes, refer to the Rose colored glasses....

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

 When did I ever write that my partner and his close friend were "drunk"

When did I ?

 

9 hours ago, Marc in Calif said:

Online jokes are typically accompanied by emoji. Or maybe an exclamation point. 

Your "joke" was a regular old sentence ending with a period... full stop. Although it might have been a "joke" in your mind, that's now how it landed. 

Guess us "East Coast" guys aren't great with punctuation, but we get comedy and sarcasm....I took it as a joke.

 

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

even "exaggerated" what they told me? I didn't! They weren't! And they didn't! They were having their first drink.

And you were there to know everything that happened, or heresay, like I said?

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

I have had to disrupt his thread of truly excellent posts.

If it's about wines, you don't seem to have a problem, don't apologize here to try to maintain your sainthood 🙄 (I couldn't resist, it needed this emoji for the west coast people)

[Lucky]

5 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Everyone on this Board is different and we should be relishing our diversity.

I don't drink wine.

[floridarob]

13 minutes ago, Lucky said:

I don't drink wine.

Even though that ended with a period, not an emoji or exclamation point....I get that it's a joke/humor 😉

[Marc in Calif]

11 hours ago, PeterRS said:

That I don't fit the presumed sex-starved stereotype here, then I am certainly not going to apologise for it.

Many of these guys here are super-starved and ultra-obsessed with wringing every last drop💧every time they leave their hotel.

I doubt they know much more about the cities they visit other than where the cheapest food and best ATMs are. And of course the dreary, pathetic go-go bars and saunas for "offing". 

I respect and admire your knowledge of Asia and your expertise in writing about your life and travels.

In contrast, I merely laugh at those who describe how they go from one boy to another and then to yet another during the course of a single day. They seem to think that, with each cheap sexual encounter, they're accumulating points and miles toward their next trip. 🤡

They get absolutely no points for mocking your choices -- or anyone else's. 

[Lucky]

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

. Everyone on this Board is different and we should be relishing our diversity.

46 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

Many of these guys here are super-starved and ultra-obsessed with wringing every last drop💧every time they leave their hotel.

I doubt they know much more about the cities they visit other than where the cheapest food and best ATMs are. And of course the dreary, pathetic go-go bars and saunas for "offing". 

I respect and admire your knowledge of Asia and your expertise in writing about your life and travels.

In contrast, I merely laugh at those who describe how they go from one boy to another and then to yet another during the course of a single day. They seem to think that, with each cheap sexual encounter, they're accumulating points and miles toward their next trip. 🤡

They get absolutely no points for mocking your choices -- or anyone else's. 

 

Apparently diversity is to be mocked.

[alvnv]

What a day to run out of likes!!!

[Marc in Calif]

5 minutes ago, Lucky said:

Apparently diversity is to be mocked.

What type of "diversity" is that precisely?

[floridarob]

2 hours ago, Marc in Calif said:

Many of these guys here are super-starved and ultra-obsessed with wringing every last drop💧every time they leave their hotel.

I doubt they know much more about the cities they visit other than where the cheapest food and best ATMs are. And of course the dreary, pathetic go-go bars and saunas for "offing". 

I respect and admire your knowledge of Asia and your expertise in writing about your life and travels.

In contrast, I merely laugh at those who describe how they go from one boy to another and then to yet another during the course of a single day. They seem to think that, with each cheap sexual encounter, they're accumulating points and miles toward their next trip. 🤡

They get absolutely no points for mocking your choices -- or anyone else's. 

There's sometimes the "I Expat better than you" posts, now I guess we have to add "I tourist better than you" (but am/was secretly a whore but shhh)  🙄



 

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, alvnv said:

What a day to run out of likes!!!

I'm glad there are unlimited 🙄 to use 😉

[reader]

4 hours ago, Marc in Calif said:

In contrast, I merely laugh at those who describe how they go from one boy to another and then to yet another during the course of a single day. They seem to think that, with each cheap sexual encounter, they're accumulating points and miles toward their next trip. 🤡

That's why trip reports are the meat and potatoes of this forum. Trip reporters have saved to purchase a ticket and accommodations for a limited time. They strive to make efficient use of that time and it should come as no surprise that they wring out as much enjoyment as they feel comfortable doing. You may label them "cheap" sexual encounters. Perhaps you'd prefer that they have more expensive sexual encounters, or no sexual encounters at all.

For most of us that involves a lot of sex. That's what this thread illustrated. Members read the forum in hopes that they'll find descriptions of those trips. They enjoy reading about the bars, massage shops and hotels that are visited. It provides them with tips that may help shape their next trip.

For some members who are not able to travel owing to financial of health reasons, these reports provide a source of entertainment they can't find elsewhere.

One of the reasons for the success of this board is the opportunity to post about many different topics: travel, current events, politics, food, health.. But trips and venue reports will always trump those secondary topics. To wit, this thread has attracted 4.6k views from members alone, not including the many others from non-member readers.

 

[floridarob]

Ha, I'm out of likes for today also.... so here's a 👌

[jason1975]

On 12/15/2023 at 9:52 AM, revengeboo said:

Around 6PM, my Side buddy departed and I would finally make my way to R3 Sauna.  Initially when I planned this trip I intended to visit most of the talked about saunas like R3, Krubb, Heaven and Chakran, going so far as to map out as best I could using Line and Twitter what the different naked, orgy or porn star days were to maximize impact.  However, as my trip came to a close I just did not have the time nor the stamina to barnstorm that many brothels as I had imagined from my short stint in Sauna Mania that these spas were less likely a relaxing oasis with some hanky panky but full-fledged sex clubs with an ancillary steam room as decor.

The ride to R3 was long and exhausting, dealing with the traffic and chaotic driving that the inner streets of Bangkok enjoy.  However, once there, I was treated to an attractive lobby for a sex club and familiarly gruff attendant.  I forgot how much the entry fee was, perhaps 500 baht.  It was naked day, as I had figured, and I was greeted by two muscular hosts at the entrance to the locker room.   They explained it was naked day, yet they vexingly wore underwear, but I was happy to oblige, confident that this time I would no longer be the odd man out like at Sauna Mania with such a scandalous outfit. I’d be wrong, but for different reasons.   

The near pitch-black conditions throughout most of the club caught me off guard, possibly because it was 'Naked Day' or maybe this was a regular feature. I carefully made my way to the main area of the club after a few mistarts getting lost in service areas and random dark spaces. Initially, the attendance was sparse, with just a few locals and foreigners casually moving around. No one was apparently hooking up, just furious cruising.

The club was a unique, vertical space, stretching tall and narrow, with several floors interconnected by a labyrinth of stairwells and doors. Navigating through its dimly lit and winding corridors, I got lost in the maze-like layout more than once. At one point, the surprise of an unexpected grope from a stranger made me jump, a testament to my disorientation in the darkened environment. The club comprised four primary levels: two floors were dedicated to maze-like darkrooms. The third floor housed the sauna amenities, though the steam room felt desolate, and the dry sauna was notably cramped. In contrast, the fourth level offered a more open space, brightened occasionally by shafts of sunlight piercing through.

Ultimately, I settled on the top floor. It wasn't long before a unique individual approached me – a Thai local in his twenties, distinctively covered in thick black hair, a stark contrast to the smoother appearances I'd encountered thus far. Our interaction was fun as he was a adept bottom, and it led to a memorable time in a private room. He skillfully navigated us through the club's shadowy stairwells and corridors, his familiarity with the place almost as if he knew it by scent, briefly losing me in his swift movements.

By 8PM, an announcement revealed the start of the porn party, an event I hadn't anticipated. Intrigued, I eagerly headed towards a newly accessible area resembling a dungeon. The two muscular hosts who had initially greeted me at the locker room were now overseeing a table that marked the entrance to this new sauna section. This area could be accessed via a different, almost pitch-black stairwell on the third floor.

They handed me a random ration of condoms and lube and took the small washcloth I was carrying to dry myself from a shower.  Absolutely no fabric was to enter this level.  When I reached the bottom of the stairwell I was in full Mr. Magoo mode, reaching my hands out for fear of slamming into a wall and dipping my toes into the unseen floor to ensure there was no cliff and impending demise.  It was extremely dark.  But in time, I was able to navigate myself to the rooms where now nearly 50 people were already involved in an orgy-like scene with porn stars wearing glowsticks on their wrists and a promoter flashing a light beam every so often; the rare moments I could visually soak in the young smooth bodies that were pressed up against one another.  Lines queued nearby these pornstars on fuck tables for eager participants to take turns running a train on the local celebrity - or to be railed depending on the professional slut. There were six in total spread out across this floor.  Everyone there seemed very young and very in shape.  I had a few reciprocal gropes and fondling, but for the most part, the crowd was fixated on the stars.

From my research, I understood that saunas located away from Silom Road often cater more to local preferences, a theory that seemed to hold true given my different experiences here compared to Sauna Mania. Despite the contrasting receptions, I found the environment still worthwhile. As a Side, navigating through the close quarters of this sauna, allowing myself to molest the tight, rubbery muscles in this claustrophobic environment, was fun.

@revengeboo Thank you so much for writing report on R3 and Sauna Mania!

[jason1975]

On 12/15/2023 at 10:24 AM, revengeboo said:

Epilogue: I continue to get a stream of texts from the boys of Pattaya.  Eventually, I sent $100 US via Western Union to the robotically efficient Cambodian twink for dentistry work.  Lenny would like me to visit his country and meet his family.

I've now had the full MB experience. 

You also got the BF experience from Lenny! You were so generous to give him all your baht before you left to airport.

[Marc in Calif]

31 minutes ago, reader said:

Trip reporters have saved to purchase a ticket and accommodations for a limited time. They strive to make efficient use of that time and it should come as no surprise that they wring out as much enjoyment as they feel comfortable doing.

Thanks for defining the essence of sex tourism: the economics of lust.

I'm not surprised that you see it as completely transactional. 

[reader]

6 hours ago, Marc in Calif said:

Many of these guys here are super-starved and ultra-obsessed with wringing every last drop💧every time they leave their hotel.

No, not at all, Marc. We frequently do that before we leave our hotel.

59 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

Thanks for defining the essence of sex tourism: the economics of lust.

I'm not surprised that you see it as completely transactional. 

You know, Marc, you may be right. So why don't you tell us about your last trip to Thailand and how an educated man like yourself spends his time.

You have been to Thailand, haven't you?

[Marc in Calif]

1 minute ago, reader said:

You know, Marc, you may be right. So why don't you tell us about your last trip to Thailand and how an educated man like yourself spends his time.

You have been to Thailand, haven't you?

I first visited Thailand in 1971. I've been back about 10 or 12 times since then. I do visit massage spas where I'm happy to see what's on offer and make my choice. That's one massage for every trip. I don't think I've ever been to Patpong or other Silom-area amusement shops. 😎

I visit local universities to see friends and colleagues. I go to museums and temples. I go to Chiang Mai and Isaan and occasionally visit an island or two (I prefer Langkawi). I see lots of performances of Thai music and dance. I eat all over the place wherever I am. I've never been to a Foodland in Thailand. 

Most of my transactions and hangling take place in markets and shops.  🤓

What else can I tell you?

[reader]

25 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

What else can I tell you?

I believe you're wise to leave the lust to others. 😉

Otherwise, I'm sure there's nothing left to tell. 🙄

[PeterRS]

14 hours ago, reader said:

But sure, let's bury the hatchet.

For what reason @reader? At my initiative, for which you'll recall you thanked me, we did so before. We came to an agreement. I would not criticise any of the multitude of posts you made by copying and pasting media reports. In return you would not comment on my choice for living in Bangkok when, unlike you and many others, I deliberately choose not to visit gay venues here. 

I have complied 100% with that agreement. Unilaterally you have totally broken it. You have shown you have zero integrity when it comes to agreements. So no more! 

I'm delighted that some of the younger generations are now making posting excellent posts. I wish them, the Moderator and other posters all good wishes. Goodbye!

[vinapu]

17 hours ago, srvhakko said:

. I am planning a new trip in 2 weeks and would like to write a report.

make sure you do both please

[vinapu]

8 hours ago, Marc in Calif said:

 

In contrast, I merely laugh at those who describe how they go from one boy to another and then to yet another during the course of a single day. They seem to think that, with each cheap sexual encounter, they're accumulating points and miles toward their next trip. 🤡

 

stop talking about me, I'm shy

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, Marc in Calif said:

What type of "diversity" is that precisely?

very diverse one