First trip to Brazil, April 2023

[pauleiro]

On 4/23/2023 at 8:06 PM, Brak said:

I had thought about renting a car to go to Abricó Beach, which is a nude beach outside of Rio, but driving in a foreign country seemed unnecessarily stressful so I decided against it.

I did that many times in Brazil. It is no problem. Waze is a big help since it informs you in advance in which lane you should be. I posted recently about trip to the beaches (Abrico and others)

[buttercawan]

4 hours ago, pauleiro said:

I did that many times in Brazil. It is no problem. Waze is a big help since it informs you in advance in which lane you should be. I posted recently about trip to the beaches (Abrico and others)

There is also a Uber-GP in 117. Pretty sure he can drive there and back and throw in a romp in the bushes for a fee. 

[buttercawan]

On 4/27/2023 at 6:44 PM, SolaceSoul said:

Well, the decent ones do.

There is this guy at Lagoa for the past few days. Long pants, tshirt with sweater around his neck, going around chatting up with the boys promising marriage and taking them home but does nothing. If that is you, for god sake tip the poor boys. I heard from boys venting to other boys and to me that it’s a waste of time spending time with him.  I guessed there are people that goes to sauna just to chat and feel ‘wanted’. It’s all good but please do tip them for their time spent on you. 

[SolaceSoul]

9 hours ago, buttercawan said:

There is this guy at Lagoa for the past few days. Long pants, tshirt with sweater around his neck, going around chatting up with the boys promising marriage and taking them home but does nothing. If that is you, for god sake tip the poor boys. I heard from boys venting to other boys and to me that it’s a waste of time spending time with him.  I guessed there are people that goes to sauna just to chat and feel ‘wanted’. It’s all good but please do tip them for their time spent on you. 

Jesus H. Christ! What kind of rabidly insecure, pretentious queen would wear a fuckin’ sweater around his neck in a sauna?

[scott456]

10 hours ago, buttercawan said:

There is this guy at Lagoa for the past few days. Long pants, tshirt with sweater around his neck, going around chatting up with the boys promising marriage and taking them home but does nothing. If that is you, for god sake tip the poor boys. I heard from boys venting to other boys and to me that it’s a waste of time spending time with him.  I guessed there are people that goes to sauna just to chat and feel ‘wanted’. It’s all good but please do tip them for their time spent on you. 

This is definitely not me.  I don't chat with boys.  When I open my mouth, I ask about his price and what he will do.  When ugly, out of shape boys approach me, I will say no thank you I am not interested please leave me alone.

[bucky13]

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[Latbear4blk]

I think we found who he was.

[scott456]

19 hours ago, bucky13 said:

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Yes, now we know who that is.

[Riobard]

Either your usual suspect cheap cow or missed the memo the venue code vibe is PrEP sweat douche, not preppie sweaterdouche. 

[Riobard]

On 4/23/2023 at 2:12 PM, Brak said:

Forgot to mention, one of the guys I had a programa with at Lagoa and then saw again at 117, when I was leaving 117 he was walking ahead of me. He was very friendly but I'm not much for small talk, so I tried to get around him without him noticing. But he did see me and ran to catch up, and asked if I was taking the Metro to Copacabana. I was, so we walked there together. A train was arriving, and I quickly scanned my apple watch to try to catch it. He jumped the turnstile, and as we were walking towards the stairs, a police officer started yelling at him and walking towards us. He stopped to go talk to the cop, and I kept going down the stairs. When he did make it down to the platform, he waited for the train a few cars down and didn't try to come back and talk to me, I guess he was embarassed.

That was bold of him. I have used Gloria station hundreds of times. For free travel I show senior ID to an attendant or sometimes the station cop that may be in the turnstile zone or I hail him (usually male) from the glass enclosed office to come and scan me through. There is always a monitor, with some degree of vigilance, maintaining order. 

Here’s another little tip: if the final stop is Botafogo/Coca-Cola you may as well embark. Often such a train has much capacity while a subsequent train going right thru past Leblon is packed. You can get off at Botafogo and hop on the next train to Copacabana, same platform. You will see many locals doing this. The long haul train may empty out somewhat at Botafogo or your ride in a saturated train will be shortened over the remainder of your ride. But from 117 of an evening the one thing impacting volume most is likely Maracana fandom. 

[Riobard]

On 4/29/2023 at 9:36 AM, scott456 said:

This is definitely not me.  I don't chat with boys.  When I open my mouth, I ask about his price and what he will do.  When ugly, out of shape boys approach me, I will say no thank you I am not interested please leave me alone.

Laughing my ass off. In Canadian strip clubs I’ve seen rude customers get ambushed by the entire inventory. The first bluntly discourteously rejected dancer simply doing his job spreads the word about having been harshly dismissed and said customer faces a queue of other unsolicited dancers approaching for exchange. Good for them on that backfire. 

[Riobard]

On 4/23/2023 at 8:13 PM, Brak said:

One thing that is hard for me at places with boys and strip clubs is that often the boys will sit and talk to guys for a long time. In Brazil, the GPs would sit with a guy, they’d make out, the customer would play with the GP’s dick, and then they wouldn’t get a programa. I always feel awkward making small talk and like I’m wasting the GP’s time if I’m not 100% sure I’m going to get a programa so I end up kind of trying to be nice but shooing them away quickly. 

How do you use this set of dynamics to your advantage? Let me count a few ways.

The glaringly obvious but seemingly essentially overlooked phenomenon as far as influence potentiated upon negotiated transactional aspects is that some sexualized things can happen for free on the open floor, with the related absurd assumption that the buck spared stops there. It doesn’t.

I don’t myself pursue that sex-lite PDA; patent foreplay and time-wasting outside of suites is not my aim or style. However, I have a decades-long history of getting off with stripper private dances at similar levels of interaction, even for many years when clandestine orgasms were accessible, with some practice and finesse, out in the open with table dances while clothed. Some of my best protracted shots, in fact.

So we see the behavioural continuum ranges from 0 reais, for a range of play that many rightly believe shortchanges the put-upon GdeP manifesting impressive levels of forbearance and steering the loss to programa-level recovery, to 200-300 or whatever 3-figure reais for what is rigidly conceptualized as the only other possible option, as if it’s an unbendable binary.

The suite alone inflexibly sets the upper limit? You are restricted to open floor PD foreplay, basically non-complete-sex for free, but the minute you book a key you are obligated to complete sex across the conventional sexual response cycle at a full rate? Poppycock. Balderdash. Sometimes the full prix fixe is what you want and agree on, other times the prerogative for selectivity across appetizer/ main/ dessert, satiated with not much beyond amuse bouche. The latter tasting more typifies lapdance equivalency labour. 

You may be surprised at what can happen for 100 reais while having ‘non-sex’ with a hot stud in a suite, and at his receptivity to compensation for activity that many soul-crushing skinflints expect for free. Myself, not taken aback by inevitably blowing my load each time. I can take or leave full sex, flexible about extracting the same qualitative degree of satisfaction. He is prostituting; his subjective genital pleasure is a myth and I don’t pay for what amounts to delusions. The thing is that for some punters different points on an arbitrary performative gradient are equally eroticizing and get the job done. The key is that I won’t dilute his functional capacity for earning potential after washing off. Pay commensurate with where on the continuum it all landed, the minutes part comparatively, in contrast, a more meaningful defining constant. 

Thus, I cannot easily describe a useful intelligible central tendency cost amount. This year I had more programas for 100 reais than 200 reais. Hires from ads an entirely different commodity, in their local, full sex. As such, a full sex tourism visit cost range of 100-500 renders an average rate depiction elusive. Ad hire defies the performative component continuum, for obvious reasons. You cannot superimpose a sub-sexual strip club performative labour playbook onto community escort hiring in the same way that kind of flexibility can be applied in curated GdeP club settings. 

Do I care if you all get it? A hard no. Most of the providers quickly grasp the formula and the ask and it takes a few minutes and a few simple sentences to get them to yes. We don’t get caught up in it pendantically. He wants cash and I want an orgasm. My lengthy outline above is merely to elaborate the principles, for the interested reader, behind what experientially turns out to be quite simple. 

[scott456]

On 4/29/2023 at 9:36 PM, scott456 said:

This is definitely not me.  I don't chat with boys.  When I open my mouth, I ask about his price and what he will do.  When ugly, out of shape boys approach me, I will say no thank you I am not interested please leave me alone.

 

2 hours ago, Riobard said:

Laughing my ass off. In Canadian strip clubs I’ve seen rude customers get ambushed by the entire inventory. The first bluntly discourteously rejected dancer simply doing his job spreads the word about having been harshly dismissed and said customer faces a queue of other unsolicited dancers approaching for exchange. Good for them on that backfire. 

I have never been to your Canadian strip clubs, so I can't comment on that.

But so far in Brazil I don't have problem getting sex from the GPs of my choice, and I don't have problem declining. Please note that, as I mentioned in my original post,  I always politely say thank you to those undesirable GPs.

If you feel you are obligated to entertain the GPs you are not interested in...well, that's your problem.

[Riobard]

35 minutes ago, scott456 said:

 

I have never been to your Canadian strip clubs, so I can't comment on that.

But so far in Brazil I don't have problem getting sex from the GPs of my choice, and I don't have problem declining. Please note that, as I mentioned in my original post,  I always politely say thank you to those undesirable GPs.

If you feel you are obligated to entertain the GPs you are not interested in...well, that's your problem.

Riiiiight. Politely and respectfully, not depersonalized, was definitely the impression you gave (see below).

Say now, why is it again we need to read over and over again how you do you? Do you want us to tip our hat, reference you, whenever we describe our own, perhaps contrasting, experiences and approaches? Would you scale back incessantly describing the antithesis behind your own interaction? (Rhetorical)

[scott456]

6 minutes ago, Riobard said:

Riiiiight. Politely and respectfully was definitely the impression you gave. 

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I can't control your or anyone's perception.

And, if you want to win the contest for the most popular customer at GP saunas, please do.  I won't be jealous of you. 

[Riobard]

36 minutes ago, scott456 said:

I can't control your or anyone's perception. 

Au contraire, that’s about all you can do, and do. You seem to want to consistently influence it a particular way and revel in it to boot, as if your identity is predicated on being contrarian, collective anonymity a type of shield within grenade-lobbing commentary. As if you alone reached the epitome of integrity preservation in sex trade contexts and you wish to underscore that you have obtained the optimal standard, emphasizing doing what works for you a flimsy coating of what actually seems to come across as contemptuous. We might consider the prerogative of our unique style as magnanimous when referenced, to the extent it has worth as a general principle depending on the source encouraging it, but for the undercurrent of disdain, Greek chorus style. Perhaps you already possess insight about this and have lock-stepped into crossfire between commentary directed to you and what, granted, is not so illegitimately retaliatory on your part. But the seemingly irreversible circulatory lacks true yield. Maybe I’m preaching to a sacrificial lamb bot diverting trollistic energies. 

[Latbear4blk]

1 hour ago, Riobard said:

Maybe I’m preaching to a sacrificial lamb bot diverting trollistic energies. 

[Riobard]

25 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said:

Nailed it, all over this land, oh. 

[scott456]

9 hours ago, scott456 said:

If you feel you are obligated to entertain the GPs you are not interested in...well, that's your problem.

9 hours ago, scott456 said:

And, if you want to win the contest for the most popular customer at GP saunas, please do.  I won't be jealous of you. 

 

[Riobard]

“When you put the whole picture together, recycling is the right thing to do.”

[SolaceSoul]

21 hours ago, Riobard said:

if the final stop is Botafogo/Coca-Cola

The Botafogo / Coca-Cola Metro station was reverted back to simply "Botafogo" in early November, 2022.

[SolaceSoul]

9 hours ago, scott456 said:

And, if you want to win the contest for the most popular customer at GP saunas, please do.  I won't be jealous of you. 

The undisputed winner of The Most Popular At GP Saunas, for the 35th consecutive year. Also, coincidentally has simultaneously won Most Likely To Succeed At GP Saunas: 

“Yoi like me! You really like me!”

 

 

[speedoo1]

On 4/23/2023 at 8:06 PM, Brak said:

All three guys quoted 300 reais, and I didn't negotiate. (I guess that is the going rate in SP, but when I was in Rio they all charged 200.)

Many thanks for the detailed report. I'm impressed by the number of non-sauna things/venues you did as a first timer and (presumably) without speaking Portuguese. 

Just for the records about sauna going rates: Unless it has dramatically changes since my visit 1 year ago, the going rate is 150 for a session, around 30min or so (not including gozar). 200 if you want the GP to cum. My experience was that in Rio most guys would offer these rates straight away/no negotiation needed whereas in (new) Lagoa many would aim a bit high with their initial offer (maybe because they see that you are new to the venue) but open to settle on a lower price if you make a counter offer. 

To give a few coins or a small note (but certainly not a 50 note) to the towel guys is a nice gesture. However, the guy at 202 was a bit too pushy for my liking.

[Latbear4blk]

4 hours ago, speedoo1 said:

However, the guy at 202 was a bit too pushy for my liking.

I felt the same way on my last trip. However, once I established myself as a tipper on my first day, they stopped harassing me in my subsequent visits. In 202 it is crucial to tip the towel/cleaning ladies, especially the older and shorter one. The front counter can be messy at assigning rooms, and she always saves you time by quickly fixing the issues.

[Riobard]

A tiny bit of cash goes a long way. It covers a broad range of service dynamics.

Broken down at the get go:

2 bits to an attendant to acknowledge paltry pay and rote mind-numbing routine day after day; 2 bits to later situationally ask for assistance if needed for an unusual issue (eg, misplaced item) from an attendant you had overtly acknowledged as having been ‘seen’ according to the above, or for a touch of favouritism navigating that day’s spa outing; 2 bits for their contribution to your prerogative to transcend the restricting option of routinely mind-numbingly jacking off to porn at home thousands of clicks away; and for good measure, 2 bits as prophylaxis against the outrageous behavioural phenomenon of a gratuity overtly solicited because the concept and principle of equity may have simply slipped your mind when the little head took the reins. 

That’s a lot of coverage for the cost equivalency of a rubber.