First trip to Brazil, April 2023

[SolaceSoul]

I can’t believe this is even a conversation.

Tip service workers, you cheap ass muthafuckas. Especially in developing countries. Who cares if they ask or remind you about it? They work for so little. Take an extra roll of small bills to the saunas with you and use them for tips. If breaking a 50 reais ($10 USD) into smaller bits and disseminating it to those who provided you a non-sexual service is going to break you, then maybe you shouldn’t be traveling or even leaving your house at all. 

[Latbear4blk]

One more tip (pun intended).

A great way to tip your programas and the guys who are friendly and entertain you even if you do not want a fuck, it is paying for their sauna fee. They truly love this one.

[Latbear4blk]

4 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

One more tip (pun intended).

A great way to tip your programas and the guys who are friendly and entertain you even if you do not want a fuck, it is paying for their sauna fee. They truly love this one.

PS: this is the perfect tip for me because I try to maximize the use of my cash. I can pay all my sauna expenses with my CC, and save the cash for the boys and the tips I cannot pay with CC.

[floridarob]

8 hours ago, Riobard said:

2 bits

So 1.25 reis?

[Riobard]

44 minutes ago, floridarob said:

So 1.25 reis?

‘Bits’ used colloquially, albeit USD-centric, and with illustrative license to simply underscore that gorjeta burdens we undertake are typically symbolically picayune for us in that context. Not intended as a guide.

Ink and an arse wax, 2 bits? Não. 

Counterbalance to bits the playbook of some:

[speedoo1]

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[Riobard]

Right, a “session” means exclusively one invariant single or 2-tier priced erotic experience. The provider, never the punter, launches the communication about the price. The punter never opens the cost discussion other than in interrogative format, but his reactivity may adjust the price. The session’s 2-tier constituent elements mirror, for example, the 2-tier price hierarchy of the same venue’s local brew vs premium imported beer. Lock in this rigidity and you will do just fine.

Never ever dare to reveal an idea that contradicts the playbook. Obviously, no topic is discussed in perpetuity because its underpinnings may be unsubstantial. Obviously. In this case they are rock solid and the endless referencing is geared to herd consistency, to assuage anxiety and prevent nervous breakdowns at the ATM. 

You simply look at the drinks card or inquire about prices and that’s all there is to that. That the session provider, in contrast, may err in reflecting the invariant session price card simply illustrates that it is incumbent upon the punter to pursue the broadly understood and consensus-driven invariant tier-based price. To do otherwise, to deviate from the operational manual irrespective of reciprocal provider-punter flexibility capacity, is to upset a very precarious interpersonal transactional system. Kiss, suck, fuck, cum in that order in the same way you’d drink your brew in four successive swigs. Cum is premium.

Any AASECT clinical fellow worth their salt will corroborate that sex is sex; it is one circumscribed phenomenon and defies the notion of partializing. (Not.)

Oh and try not to get too caught up in the absurdly referenced tier-based price differential that springs from nationality. You can bet your bottom dollar that this talking point will emerge again before long, if not in this thread wait for it. 

You may go broke in one deviation direction or, on the opposite path, leave escorted and handcuffed in a shuffle of shame. 

Adhere to the above. My own response, as follows below, to the obligatory oligarchical nature of these directives is but idiosyncratic and irrelevant.

Thank Cristo Redentor I discovered this forum well after having visited Brazil multiple times spared run-ins with bossypants myopic Waystar Royco circus clowns pacing endlessly in the same circle. And you might be surprised at the true relation between temporal length of experience and legitimacy and merit of guidance specific to trade compensation. 

Do what works for you, bottom line. That it’s tailored to you doesn’t connote superiority. The only claim that can be made is that fluidity may trump the rigidity of arbitrary dictatorial edicts. There are lines that you can colour outside of without stampeding the horses. How you do it won’t impact on my experiences. This is all just an open discussion of principles related to transactional structure and autonomy. 

[Brak]

On 5/14/2023 at 8:55 AM, SolaceSoul said:

I can’t believe this is even a conversation.

Tip service workers, you cheap ass muthafuckas. Especially in developing countries. Who cares if they ask or remind you about it? They work for so little. Take an extra roll of small bills to the saunas with you and use them for tips. If breaking a 50 reais ($10 USD) into smaller bits and disseminating it to those who provided you a non-sexual service is going to break you, then maybe you shouldn’t be traveling or even leaving your house at all. 

It's not about it being a big deal, it's more about tipping culture being different everywhere. Like, it would never occur to me (and I think it would actually be awkward) to tip the locker room attendant at my gym, so it didn't occur to me to tip the one at the sauna. Now that I know that it's a thing, I'll do it.

[Tomcal]

in 22 years of going to Brazilian saunas i have never tipped! ever!  just saying!

[Riobard]

11 hours ago, Brak said:

It's not about it being a big deal, it's more about tipping culture being different everywhere. Like, it would never occur to me (and I think it would actually be awkward) to tip the locker room attendant at my gym, so it didn't occur to me to tip the one at the sauna. Now that I know that it's a thing, I'll do it.

More than that, you obviously just simply have the capacity to get it, at an adult developmental level, not just following suit. 

If my little niece has 20 smarties and asks me for an Oreo cookie, a teachable moment arises if I present 2 equal cookies. One costs 2 smarties; the other 10 smarties. Why? she asks. Because one is made at a Milwaukee factory and the other is made at a factory in a Brazil city.

So?

It is explained that she gets an allowance of $5 weekly for her piggy bank. Kids in Brazil get $1. Big Macs cost the same in Brazil (for the purpose of the discussion … they are actually 20% less). If she saves for a month she can buy 4 hamburgers. If a Brazil kid saves for a month, 1 hamburger is possible. 

Factory workers in Brazil are paid $3 per hour and those in Milwaukee $15. Whether it’s Milwaukee or Brazil the same number of cookies are made per hour. 

Who worked harder to make an Oreo cookie before you? Will you thank the Milwaukee factory worker more than the Brazil worker, or the other way around?

Closing the loop. You can pay 2 smarties for the Brazil cookie on your left or 10 smarties for the Milwaukee cookie on your right. However, you may pay between 2 smarties and 10 smarties for the cookie on your left. It is your choice. Each cookie is the same, and yummy.

Brazilian factory bakers get paid $1 to your $5 and their kids get an allowance $1 to your $5. Which cookie do you wish to trade smarties for? Brazilian factory workers accept if you pay 2 smarties. Many kids, many of your friends, would pay 2 smarties. Some will pay more because they think that is fair. For example, 3 smarties, donating 1 smartie, or you can keep 18 smarties and not just be lefts with 17 smarties. 

Extending optionally: Sweetie, if each cookie is given the same value, how many smarties are they worth? 2, 10, or a number of smarties in between. 

Optionally: Who is more likely the Hamburglar in this lesson. 

[Riobard]

1 hour ago, Tomcal said:

in 22 years of going to Brazilian saunas i have never tipped! ever!  just saying!

And that’s why you are most likely to be nominated as specifically representative for Sampa Gay Pride parade flag-bearing each year. 

[SolaceSoul]

15 hours ago, Brak said:

It's not about it being a big deal, it's more about tipping culture being different everywhere. Like, it would never occur to me (and I think it would actually be awkward) to tip the locker room attendant at my gym, so it didn't occur to me to tip the one at the sauna. Now that I know that it's a thing, I'll do it.

How about simply doing it because it’s a nice thing to do? 

[SolaceSoul]

7 hours ago, Tomcal said:

in 22 years of going to Brazilian saunas i have never tipped! ever!  just saying!

We are not referring here to the pay boys, but to the service workers / staff, like the bartenders who serve you drinks, the bar backs who bring drinks and food and clean the tables, the towel attendants in the locker rooms who often times can go the extra mile, the front desk attendants, and the cleaning crew who have to clean up the rooms before and after the paid sex work as well as the bathrooms, the steam rooms and the video rooms.

Not one, ever? 

[Tomcal]

i always tip the waiters/Bartenders and locker room attendants! pointe has one waiter in particular who is very good(and is a good waiter! LOL) junior doesn’t pay him to be a waiter there but he can go up to a room with clients and keep what they pay him! it evidently works for both because they have had this arrangement for over a year! and i think he is the best waiter at any of the saunas!  

[floridarob]

2 hours ago, Tomcal said:

he is the best waiter at any of the saunas!  

Your table will never be dirty with him....but he's very forgetful and has to come back and get your key number or the order again, lol

He came to my hotel once......meh

[SolaceSoul]

3 hours ago, Tomcal said:

i always tip the waiters/Bartenders and locker room attendants!

That’s a relief! I was about to call you a “cheap muthafucka”! 

[SolaceSoul]

3 hours ago, Tomcal said:

pointe has one waiter in particular who is very good(and is a good waiter! LOL) junior doesn’t pay him to be a waiter there but he can go up to a room with clients and keep what they pay him! it evidently works for both because they have had this arrangement for over a year! and i think he is the best waiter at any of the saunas!  

Yeah, he’s a good guy and tries to be as attentive to the clients as possible. But be honest: is he the best waiter at any of the saunas because he is a good waiter… or because he is available for more? 

[Ale4co]

Thank you for that excellent review. I have a question…I’ve never been in a sauna like that after you pay do you have to remove your clothes..I really just would like to find a go and get a room..but I’m not sure if being nude is a requirement? Thanks

[Latbear4blk]

42 minutes ago, Ale4co said:

Thank you for that excellent review. I have a question…I’ve never been in a sauna like that after you pay do you have to remove your clothes..I really just would like to find a go and get a room..but I’m not sure if being nude is a requirement? Thanks

In the saunas discussed here, being nude is not a requirement. I only got nude on my first day because I did not know the culture. I have never been in these saunas' heated rooms or shared showers. I go there as I would go to any bar.

[Latbear4blk]

4 hours ago, Tomcal said:

i always tip the waiters/Bartenders and locker room attendants! pointe has one waiter in particular who is very good(and is a good waiter! LOL) junior doesn’t pay him to be a waiter there but he can go up to a room with clients and keep what they pay him! it evidently works for both because they have had this arrangement for over a year! and i think he is the best waiter at any of the saunas!  

Last November, Pointe had a wireless caller system on the tables. Every boy I hooked up with played with the caller, driving him crazy. It was funny to see how upset he would turn.

The place was refurbished this April, and the callers were gone, but he was still visibly stressed. He is excellent, but he should learn to handle the stress better.

[mixer17]

Does anyone remember a waiter at pointe named Igor? What a hottie he was.  

And then DJ David . so sexy. 

[Riobard]

On 5/17/2023 at 6:08 PM, floridarob said:

Your table will never be dirty with him....but he's very forgetful and has to come back and get your key number or the order again, lol

He came to my hotel once......meh

?He didn’t want it get dirty on any of the hotel furniture? 

[Riobard]

On 5/17/2023 at 7:57 PM, Latbear4blk said:

In the saunas discussed here, being nude is not a requirement. I only got nude on my first day because I did not know the culture. I have never been in these saunas' heated rooms or shared showers. I go there as I would go to any bar.

You pay venue costs when you check out, so you have not paid anything up front in your example. Your locker key number is tracked throughout the entrance trigger, bar, and room booking attendant’s computer systems. In contrast, you pay the escort in cash when your business with him is completed. This might be from cash you have on your person in the example where you prefer to be clothed when obtaining a room with him, or cash in your locker in the event you are wearing a towel unless like some clients you also carry a satchel, kit, etc, or from cash you keep in your locker even if clothed.

Some of the escorts remain clothed in the common areas particularly in cooler weather there. I have never had a problem and in my experience the escorts are honest, but I wouldn’t flash a lot of cash in the private room and then leave all that to tempt the escort if you enter the shower cubicle while he is adjacent to your belongings. If you plan to shower in the room bring the towels issued upon entrance as most venues won’t have additional clean towels in the room. 

I start at R$100 escort fee for 55 minutes at Lagoa, as the attendant insists on a shower suite even if a 30 minute basic room is open. Oddly, the escorts push for the 55 minutes even after having agreed to a foreplay programa. Perhaps reflects confidence; typically not diffidence. For all I know it’s to assist the venue to uptick profit. I don’t mind the room upcharge and the shower is convenient for me and particularly the escort if he is in clothing and hadn’t used the public shower. I keep enough additional cash for optional upgrades depending on whether I want to progress beyond foreplay. I maintain enough overage so as not to kick myself for shorting an experience ultimately desired. This is all not to incentivize, through perhaps it does, as the foreplay is not lacklustre, and it’s not a workaround for possible erectile unreliability or for his goal to speed to conclusion. It’s more a case of being spared the hassle of determining the programa in a priori mode as opposed to in situ.

I will go with a guy if I know foreplay at a minimum is desirable. Some of you may prefer to plan and evaluate an experience based on whether everything defined ahead of it rolled out satisfactorily, knowing upfront a scaling/cleaning and cavity drilling is the irrevocable intent. In my own business life transactions were always dyadic, not driven by arbitrary governance. I certainly never prevailed upon third party input to establish a one-on-one deal.

[sharon1]

Amazing report card. thanks for sharing.

[Connordrick]

thanks for the report. I am planing a Sao Paulo trip from NYC, any recomendations for hotel close to the sauna? Ive seen two hotels: Gabriel and Heritage, i thinks those are the names. I prefer to be in a 3/4 starts hotels'

il rather not display any signs of being wealthier than anyone else