My bitch of the day - Bars hiring Laos boys!

[Guest travelerjim]

Please delete...

My apology to anyone offended by my original posting..

Take good care..

and Good Bye!

tj

[Gaybutton]

It's a problem, but I don't see it as particularly catastrophic. Even if someone is thinking with his crotch, rather than his head, and takes a boy off without checking his ID, then the boy will be refused admittance to most reputable hotels if he has no ID. Another part of the equation is that I know of no incidents, ever, in which a farang was arrested when he took a bar boy off. So, this is not necessarily a big problem, but it becomes one when a bar tries to pass off a boy working illegally as if he were a boy working legitimately.

 

Obviously, the safest and most cautious thing to do is to take boys off only if they can produce an Thai national ID card, checking to make sure the card is actually his own, and that he is at least 18 years old. If you do otherwise, then you have to judge for yourself how much of a risk you're taking.

 

I do agree that the bars are wrong to hire boys who are working illegally and it's even more wrong if the bars encourage the boys to lie to customers about who they really are.

[Bob]

Sorta sounds like the illegal Mexican immigrant problem in the US, Jim. Can't really blame the Lao (or Burmese) boys, they wouldn't be coming to Pattaya or Thailand for the most part except for the economic opportunities. In one sense, maybe blame the Lao government for not improving its economy and attempting to provide decent jobs for its citizens.

 

In the US, we're finally getting around to nailing the owners of businesses who hire the undocumented illegals and, until there's a penalty for the bar owners of some kind for doing that, they'll hire who they can get.

 

But, frankly, none of my business other than to protect myself by seeing a valid Thai ID should the urge to off ever hit me. Down here in Hua Hin, I've talked to many of the boys from the three bars here and, so far, I've not encountered anybody who I thought was not a Thai citizen.

[Guest Oogleman]

Jim

 

Do not bow down to trolls. Keep your info coming. It helps people who dont live in Thailand.

[Guest Astrrro]

Looks like I missed something good. B)

[Gaybutton]

Looks like I missed something good. B)

I know of no troll posts that appeared on this thread. What troll posts? What post on this thread appears to be a troll post? Oogleman, why did you say that?

 

Travelerjim, why did you eliminate your original post and replace it with an apology? Am I missing something here? Every response that was written on this thread is still there, completely intact. Where are you getting the idea that anyone here was offended? I see nothing to indicate that in any of the responses and I saw nothing offensive in your original post. And even if someone was offended, too bad. That's their problem.

 

Anybody posting here has the right to post an opposing opinion, as long as it contains no personal attacks, but nobody posted anything that indicates they were offended by your original post and I see no attacks or even opposition to your opinion. Also, you know that if someone had written an attack post, then I would have immediately gotten rid of the post and would have placed whoever wrote it on moderated mode.

 

Where is this coming from? I don't understand what the problem is. Why are you leaving this board?

[Guest Oogleman]

he deleted it on all the forums GB. I think you can guess on which forum the trolls attacked lol

 

I think he should reinstate the post both here and elsewhere. Nothing wrong with it at all.

 

hes probably had enough and decided to stop on all forums - i do hope he changes his mind.

[Guest]

What have we missed?

 

In the interests of free speech I would like to hear your argument against Thai bars hiring boys from Laos.

 

I once tried a Laotian freelancer in BKK. He had a Laotian passport, so no ID problems. Was quite cute, but took some persuading to get his underpants off with the room light on & made off with a bottle of Whiskey from the mini bar.

 

 

 

[Gaybutton]

he deleted it on all the forums GB. I think you can guess on which forum the trolls attacked lol

I see. I didn't read the other forums and I almost never read one in particular, the one on which I'm guessing the attacks to which you referred occurred. The fact that he was attacked on that one comes as no surprise. If anything, the surprise is that anyone who posts on certain forums would not know in advance that they will end up attacked. That's virtually a given.

 

Well, it doesn't happen on this forum. That's because I'm a "control freak," remember? And those are the freaks that need controlling. However, I still don't understand why, if he was attacked on other forums, he would remove his post on this one. There wasn't a damned thing wrong with his post and I hope he reinstates it so that people who wish to discuss it can do so intelligently. Of course, the issue can still be discussed whether he reinstates the post or not, but Travelerjim's opinion is just as valid as anyone's and if someone dislikes his opinion, then they can just fuck off if they can't debate the issue rather than attack the poster.

 

Also, there's really no need for anyone to post on multiple forums. Most people reading one forum read all of them anyway.

[Guest laurence]

In the US, we're finally getting around to nailing the owners of businesses who hire the undocumented illegals and, until there's a penalty for the bar owners of some kind for doing that, they'll hire who they can get.

 

About time the US government got tough on business owners hiring illegals. Native born Americans will now get a fair chance to work in slaughter houses, etc and get off of welfare. Better a dirty job then no job.

 

[Guest lvdkeyes]

About time the US government got tough on business owners hiring illegals. Native born Americans will now get a fair chance to work in slaughter houses, etc and get off of welfare. Better a dirty job then no job.

Do you really think Americans will get off welfare to work as a gardener in Palm Springs in the summer when the temp reaches 110-120 degrees F.? That's just one example of jobs that Americans won't do.

[Guest HeyGay]

You must be having a bad day or are you normally this nasty.

 

Laos Boys are some of the nicest on the planet, you should take back your comments what and Insult.

 

You’re an Insurance salesman, you should know better, I hope you never try to sell me any. I have informed all my friends, not to buy from you in the future.

 

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[Guest Astrrro]

Do you really think Americans will get off welfare to work as a gardener in Palm Springs in the summer when the temp reaches 110-120 degrees F.? That's just one example of jobs that Americans won't do.

 

I don't know much about welfare but let me talk about people on unemployment.

 

Those collecting unemployment will not forego their benefits to make a few dollars more. But they might very well take that job if it's "under the table".

 

Once people's unemployment runs out and their credit cards are maxed out, they will be taking any job to put food on the table. Think Grapes of Wrath.

[Guest Oogleman]

Anyone know if there would be a problem legally for a farang if the police found him with a Lao guy without permission to stay in Thailand or I.D?

 

The Lao guy would be deported no doubt - would the farang be breaking any law or would the team money fine just be used?

 

Also, anyone see the Thai locals getting resentful and some sort of "gang" fighting?

[Guest lvdkeyes]

Think Grapes of Wrath.

At the time of Grapes of Wrath there weren't the social systems in the US as they are now. Today people can get on welfare and get health benefits and scrape by. In one of my jobs in San Francisco, I made home visits and one woman, in particular, stands out. She had a beautiful home up with very nice furniture in the SF hills overlooking the city, a newer model Lincoln Continental in the garage and was on welfare.

[Guest laurence]

I was being facetious in my remarks about "native born" Americans taking over jobs held by illegals. Of course no true blue American wants these nasty jobs. But just who will do the dirty work? Maybe a change in laws which will permit temporary workers from Latin America?

[Gaybutton]

Anyone know if there would be a problem legally for a farang if the police found him with a Lao guy without permission to stay in Thailand or I.D?

I have never heard about any farang having any problem whatsoever in that situation. No arrest and no fines. No law says that it is incumbent upon a farang to check the ID of anybody. You're being foolish if you don't and you would have definite problems if the boy is found to be under age, but as far as it being your responsibility to check whether the boy is actually Thai or whether he is in Thailand legally, that's not your problem and, as far as I know, the police do not regard it as your problem. In this case, the boy would be in trouble, but not the farang. I know of no law that prohibits sex with boys of other nationalities provided that the boy is at least 18 years old.

[Guest]

I was being facetious in my remarks about "native born" Americans taking over jobs held by illegals. Of course no true blue American wants these nasty jobs. But just who will do the dirty work? Maybe a change in laws which will permit temporary workers from Latin America?

 

Sounds like the US has the same problem as the UK. The UK certainly needs to stop funding all the parasites who choose to be unemployed to sit on their posteriors & live in luxury off our taxes.

I thought the US had more sense, but maybe your welfare programmes are too generous.

 

Choosing to be unemployed should mean seriously poor living standards, otherwise an economy will never be successful.

 

[PattayaMale]

Do you really think Americans will get off welfare to work as a gardener in Palm Springs in the summer when the temp reaches 110-120 degrees F.? That's just one example of jobs that Americans won't do.

 

I respectfully disagree, as when I lived in Palm Springs, CA, my gardener was Caucasian. Also please note that "Americans" represent all races and all nationalities. It is certainly a country of immigrants.

 

To answer the question about people getting off welfare in America, yes I believe that most all would prefer not to receive welfare. But with an unemployment rate 10% in some states (California being one) the welfare rolls will certainly rise.

 

I am unaware of the Thai system. But know that many of the European countries have systems that pay much more in welfare. I understand that some of the British that are on the dole actually come to Pattaya to relieve the "stress" of not working.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

I respectfully disagree, as when I lived in Palm Springs, CA, my gardener was Caucasian. Also please note that "Americans" represent all races and all nationalities. It is certainly a country of immigrants.

You must have been one of a small minority who had a Caucasian gardener. I am well aware of the make up of the populace in the US. I am also well aware that the majority of the gardeners in PS area are not "American", but rather illegal aliens and I don't mean only Mexicans. I personally knew three illegals in PS who were not Mexican.

 

[Guest xiandarkthorne]

I suggested over at Gay Tingtong that perhaps we might start a petition here for Jim to come back. If enough of us signed it and then if someone knew him outside of the boards let him know how many of us miss him and would like him to come back, perhaps he might change his mind and come back to the nice boards like this instead of going back to THAT one.

 

I'd be the first to sign any such petition or start it if anyone's interested.

[Gaybutton]

I suggested over at Gay Tingtong that perhaps we might start a petition here for Jim to come back.

That's a very nice thought, but I doubt it's necessary. Jim does read the boards and I'm sure he is already quite well aware that the vast majority of people who read these boards want him to return. It's the people who attacked him and sent him a threatening Email whose posts have no value of any kind, and rarely ever do.

 

There was nothing in Jim's original post that contained anything that should have provoked this brouhaha. It was worthy of discussion and intelligent opinion. The people who attacked Jim don't ever seem to mind someone's opinion, as long as it agrees with their own.

 

As a matter of fact, one poster did try posting an attack on this very thread. You may notice that you can't find that post. Guess why. That person has been duly warned and already knows what will happen to his posting privileges if he ever tries it again on this board. We don't put up with that here, whether it's Jim or anyone else being victimized by an idiot.

[Guest]

I'd quite like to see Travelerjim's post resurrected here & on TingTong, so we can read it & have a civilised debate.

 

[Gaybutton]

I'd quite like to see Travelerjim's post resurrected here & on TingTong, so we can read it & have a civilised debate.

I'm sorry, but that decision, at least on this board, rests entirely with Travelerjim. It was his post and he has the right to be the one to decide whether to re-post it or not, just as you or any other poster would have. I would not presume to make that decision for him.

 

The only way I would ever do something like that would be if a post was removed by a moderator, against the wishes of the poster, but we were later convinced we were wrong to do so. In this case, Travelerjim made his own decision and we will respect his decision. If he wishes to reinstate his post, that will also be his own decision. We will abide by whatever he chooses to do.

 

However, you can still have that civilized debate. While we won't resurrect Jim's post against his wishes, I don't think he would object to seeing a debate about the basic issue that he brought out - namely that several bars hire Laotian boys illegally and what effect that might have on farang who do not realize they are with a Laotian boy rather than a Thai boy. I'm sure you can easily figure out the gist of the issue from reading my own first post on this thread.

[Guest Geezer]

Long ago I read a post stating Thai law prohibits the harboring of an illegal immigrant, and that having one in your room is considered to be harboring. I don’t know how authoritive the post was, but, as it seems to be a reasonable law, I have never considered having a lad without a valid Thai ID card or a Thai passport.

 

Furthermore, after a very unfortunate experience several years ago I have not considered having a lad whose ID I could not leave with a third party.

 

Considering the number of policemen and others who are looking for an opportunity to “shake down” farangs, I consider TJ’s post to be an important caution of which we should be aware.