reader Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 The humanitarian tragedy in Myanmar continues to unfold. From Thai PBS World A total of 40 political parties in Myanmar have been dissolved for failing to re-register, which includes the ousted National League for Democracy (NLD), according to state-owned media. Myawaddy News announced on Tuesday night, during their regular news program, that the Union Election Commission had set Tuesday as the deadline and, as such, parties which failed to register will no longer be recognised. The National Unity Government (NUG), a parallel government that was formed during the fallout from the 2021 coup, had denounced the would-be election and so had the NLD. Not only is the legitimacy of the election questioned, but so were the strict new laws that were implemented in January 2023. The new rules will prevent parties and/or candidates, deemed to have links to individuals or organisations “designated as committing terror acts” or seen as “unlawful”, from running. The parties that also want to contest the national election, scheduled to be held in August this year, will also need to have at least 100,000 members within three months of registration. They will also need at least 100 million Myanmar kyat deposited in the state-owned Myanmar Economic Bank. The amount is 100 times more than what was required under the old law, enacted during 2010. The parties must also have representative branches in at least half of all 330 townships across Myanmar within 6 months, while also having representatives to contest at least half of all constituencies. Opposition to the military-run administration still rages, especially in rural areas and regions with a strong presence of the NUG’s PDF groups and ethnic armed forces. Military chief Min Aung Hlaing announced that “decisive actions” will be taken against those “unlawful groups” at the recently held military parade that marks Myanmar’s armed forces day. tm_nyc and Vessey 1 1 Quote
Moses Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 19 hours ago, reader said: They will also need at least 100 million Myanmar kyat deposited in the state-owned Myanmar Economic Bank. The amount is 100 times more than what was required under the old law, enacted during 2010. this is even below $50.000 19 hours ago, reader said: links to individuals or organisations “designated as committing terror acts” well, when party supports terror it shouldn't' be represented in legal organizations and parliament Quote
reader Posted March 30, 2023 Author Posted March 30, 2023 If I didn't know better, I'd think you're defending the status quo in Myanmar. Say it isn't so, Moses, say it isn't so. alvnv and vinapu 1 1 Quote
Moses Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 7 hours ago, reader said: If I didn't know better, I'd think you're defending the status quo in Myanmar. Say it isn't so, Moses, say it isn't so. I just want to remind: people in disorders in Capitolium were named "terrorists" for much less actions, than do some Myanmar fractions... alvnv 1 Quote
reader Posted March 30, 2023 Author Posted March 30, 2023 Think you have it backwards. Those in Washington incident had their opportunity to vote for party of their choice but decided to try to overthrow the government simply because they didn't like the results of election. Those in Myanmar were demonstrating for their right to vote for party of their choice but were denied the opportunity. What do you suppose would happen in Moscow if demonstrators had invaded the Kremlin because they didn't like the fact that Putin had "won" 90+ percent of vote? I suspect Putin would take a page from Stalin's playbook. alvnv and vinapu 2 Quote
vinapu Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 18 hours ago, Moses said: well, when party supports terror it shouldn't' be represented in legal organizations and parliament generally I'd agree but who will trust labels distributed by military juntas and unelected autocrats, any granny holding sign' down with government' may be called terrorist or supporter of terrorist activities by those types alvnv 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 With the military 'occupation' of Myanmar now making up most comments in the new media, the desperate problems of the Rohingya seem to have been forgotten. Let's not forget that the military expelled in a disgraceful manner with so many human rights violations they bordered on genocide up to 1 million Rohingya. One of the world's poorest nations, Bangladesh, took most of them in while others like Thailand and Malaysia turned boat people back. Quote
Moses Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 11 hours ago, reader said: Those in Myanmar were demonstrating for their right to vote for party of their choice but were denied the opportunity. Do you want to discuss one-party-system in Laos or Vietnam? Or maybe absolute monarchies without any party like Brunei, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Vatican City, and the individual emirates composing the United Arab Emirates? Quote
Moses Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, PeterRS said: the desperate problems of the Rohingya seem to have been forgotten. Let's not forget that the military expelled in a disgraceful manner with so many human rights violations they bordered on genocide up to 1 million Rohingya. Lets not forget what "Rohingya crisis" has been created and then carefully cooked by British empire in First Anglo-Burmese War. Quote
vinapu Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Moses said: Lets not forget what "Rohingya crisis" has been created and then carefully cooked by British empire in First Anglo-Burmese War. Middle East crisis had been created by expelling Jews from Palestine by Romans 2000 years ago. That's not justification abuses now, in 21st century either. reader and alvnv 1 1 Quote
vinapu Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Moses said: Do you want to discuss one-party-system in Laos or Vietnam? Or maybe absolute monarchies without any party like Brunei, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Vatican City, and the individual emirates composing the United Arab Emirates? difference is that Myanmar people had a chance to their say in democratic elections and what they chose was not military regime. Neither Lao not Vietmanese, Bruneis, Omanis , Saudis and Emiratis are crushing their own people with tanks. Pretty sure pope in Vatican neither reader 1 Quote
reader Posted March 31, 2023 Author Posted March 31, 2023 Moses, I admire you for your efforts in maintaining one of the three popular forums left serving those in the gay community who travel to SE Asia. And you've also founded a successful and well-regarded travel guide business. But it pains me to see what you feel compelled to say in order to keep your enterprises alive in a country bent on destroying not only its neighbors but its own citizens. I hope that there comes a time in the not so distant future when some semblance of calm returns to Russia and its people. God knows they deserve it. vinapu, Vessey and alvnv 2 1 Quote
reader Posted March 31, 2023 Author Posted March 31, 2023 Myanmar opposition hopes for change of government in Thailand From Pattaya Mail By Barry Kenyon Opponents of junta rule in Myanmar are putting their faith in the upcoming Thai general election to bring an end to military-backed rule of prime minister Prayut Chan-o-cha. Critics of Myanmar coup leader, senior general Min Aung Hlaing, hope that a new Thai administration led by the Pheu Thai party will be more critical of the Tatmadaw (Myanmar’s armed forces). The current Thai administration, through its powerful military, has maintained close contacts with the Myanmar junta since the coup there in February 2021. Senior army personnel frequently hold meetings with their counterparts and Thai TV Channel 7, army-controlled, has carried programs encouraging tourism in Myanmar. There is mutual and ongoing cooperation on natural gas operations in the Andaman Sea. Ma Khine Thet, an exiled Myanmar researcher, said a Pheu Thai-led government in Bangkok might be more inclined to support the critical American line on Myanmar rather than following the Chinese lead in supporting the Tatmadaw. Zach Abu Abuza, a professor at the US National War College, stressed that Thailand is currently caught between the US and Chinese superpower rivalry. Meanwhile, the Myanmar Office of Immigration and Population has slightly modified the health requirements for incoming tourist permits. Fully vaccinated foreigners no longer need a pre-entry PCR virus test and medical insurance, though compulsory, no longer must be bought from the Myanmar junta’s monopoly insurance provider. Some tourist attractions, such as the floating water festival at Inle lake in Shan state, have reopened after three years under closure. However, there is no sign that the junta’s aim of attracting 1 million foreign tourists in 2023 will be achieved any time soon. Critics say that it will be difficult for an incoming Thai administration substantially to reduce ties with China. She provides more foreign tourists to Thailand than any other country on an annual basis, is Bangkok’s biggest trading partner and has invested billions of dollars in Thai business initiatives such as the Eastern Economic Corridor. vinapu and Vessey 1 1 Quote
Moses Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 9 hours ago, vinapu said: Middle East crisis had been created by expelling Jews from Palestine by Romans 2000 years ago. That's not justification abuses now, in 21st century either. Romans don't exists anymore, while UK sill exists, and the same family rules UK what created crisis during First Anglo-Burmese war. So, I think it will be right step for UK to accept responsibility for moving Rohingya to Arakan state in 19 сentury as a the first step, and resolve crisis in moving them back to Bengal state or to UK as a second step. Quote
vinapu Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Moses said: Romans don't exists anymore, really ? What about Roman Abramovich? I think he is still alive, no alvnv 1 Quote
vinapu Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Moses said: So, I think it will be right step for UK to accept responsibility for moving Rohingya to Arakan state in 19 сentury as a the first step, and resolve crisis in moving them back to Bengal state or to UK as a second step. if they lived 2 centuries there , their homeland is in Myanmar. Nobody in his right mind would be suggesting Anglo-Australians should go back to UK only because their great-great-grandfathers landed there for stealing bread somewhere in Leeds back in 1812 reader 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 19 hours ago, Moses said: Lets not forget what "Rohingya crisis" has been created and then carefully cooked by British empire in First Anglo-Burmese War. As one who has frequently criticised the British colonial era, especially in its actions as China disintegrated in the 19th century and the Middle East when it connived with the USA to keep oil out of the hands of the countries where it had been found, I have to agree. The British 'encouraged' the Muslim Rohingya to move to Rakhine when they 'ruled' India. But those who criticise what happened in the distant past have to bear in mind that it is impossible to reverse history. Our world exists today. We cannot undo the past. We cannot give life back to the 5 million plus Indians who were massacred during the idiotic, almost pathetic, way the partition of India was done by having a civil servant from London who had never been near india only 6 weeks to carve up a massive country. We cannot give life back to those millions of Chinese who were killed by opium at the start of the 19th century. The French and the British cannot undo the destruction they wrought at one of the great architectural monuments - Beijing's Summer Palace. The USA cannot undo its illegal war in Cambodia which directly created the power vacuum which led to the rise to power of the Khmer Rouge and the consequent genocide in Cambodia. And so on . . . and so on. As King Charles did yesterday in Hamburg, we can - and should - acknowledge the wrongs of history. Equally we must acknowledge that righting those wrongs in our present world is all but impossible. alvnv, vinapu, splinter1949 and 1 other 2 2 Quote
Moses Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 4 hours ago, PeterRS said: it is impossible to reverse history. I never wrote "let's turn history back to past". I wrote: it is time to UK to accept and declare own actions as mistakes and pay for it: firstly - with apologies and accepting responsibility, secondly - fix it by financial aid and by resolving problem. Burmese will never forget them (Rohingya) tens of thousands of killed Buddhists at past. In modern tensions even Nobel prize's for peace winner - Aung San Suu Kyi - took side of Myanmar govt in crisis. Because all Burmese remember history. Their own history. vinapu 1 Quote
vinapu Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Moses said: . Burmese will never forget them (Rohingya) tens of thousands of killed Buddhists at past. In modern tensions even Nobel prize's for peace winner - Aung San Suu Kyi - took side of Myanmar govt in crisis. Because all Burmese remember history. Their own history. better they will , otherwise cycle of hatred never be broken - see Balkan wars in 1990's after all Russia is on friendly terms with Mongolia despite 1200's conquest and resulting harsh subjugation. Neither Mongolia seems to be bitter that eventually lost it all. ....... Aung tried to score points with Burmese but lost them in the process with world's opinion , at least that part of opinion who cares about Myanmar. ....... apologies for past wrongs soothe contemporaries to some extend but do nothing for those which actually suffered. 2086's apology by Russian tsar Ivan Kalita the Second for misguided Ukrainian invasion war in 2022 will do nothing for mothers of Ukrainian and Russian soldier killing each other now. alvnv and reader 1 1 Quote
reader Posted April 1, 2023 Author Posted April 1, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 2:19 AM, Moses said: Do you want to discuss one-party-system in Laos or Vietnam? Or maybe absolute monarchies without any party like Brunei, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Vatican City, and the individual emirates composing the United Arab Emirates? No, I want to discuss the humanitarian tragedy that is Myanmar. That was what the OP was all about. You seem to believe that by misdirection you can refocus the thread and magically transform your glorious leader into another Gandhi. In actuality, Putin has become so paranoid that he fears his own generals will sabotage his plane that he's confined himself train travel. But as the old proverb goes, just because you're paranoid that doesn't mean they're not really out to get you. Now that Putin's best friend has become the first president to be indicted of a crime, there are bigger fish to fry. vinapu and alvnv 1 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Moses said: I wrote: it is time to UK to accept and declare own actions as mistakes and pay for it: firstly - with apologies and accepting responsibility, secondly - fix it by financial aid and by resolving problem. That is the sort of simple solution that exists only in cloud cuckoo land! As I said, you cannot reverse history after 70, 100, 500 or however many years. Our world exists as it is, however many mistakes were made in the past. Paying reparations for events which took place a century or many centuries ago and which seemed right at the time will never happen other than in exceptional and very minor cases. We cannot transport ourthinking back generations. I recommend you read Professor Peter Frankopan's masterly book "The Silk Roads: A New History of the World" published in 2017. Your view of history will never be the same again. Quote
alvnv Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Moses said: UK to accept and declare own actions as mistakes and pay for it: firstly - with apologies and accepting responsibility, secondly - fix it by financial aid and by resolving problem. Why not start it at home: apologize, release and pay reparations to Chechnya and other North Caucasian nations… but, oops, forgot that (Lilli)Putin is busy grabbing more Ukrainian land as we speak. reader 1 Quote
alvnv Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, vinapu said: Russia is on friendly terms with Mongolia despite 1200's conquest and resulting harsh subjugation. Neither Mongolia seems to be bitter that eventually lost it all. Could it be because Russia is a successor of Golden Horde more so than Kievan Rus’ (as it wants everybody to believe)? 🤔 Quote
vinapu Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 10 hours ago, alvnv said: Could it be because Russia is a successor of Golden Horde more so than Kievan Rus’ (as it wants everybody to believe)? 🤔 I would not go that far alvnv 1 Quote
Moses Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 19 hours ago, reader said: You seem to believe that by misdirection you can refocus the thread and magically transform your glorious leader into another Gandhi. Could you please point me on word "Putin" in my posts. "Putin" is in your head, but you trying to pretend what "You seem". In my posts I'm speaking about Myanmar. alvnv 1 Quote