Cambodian mystery and Thai solution - first trip of 2023

[vinapu]

Day 7

 

In the morning as usual I invited Sam for breakfast but he declined, feeling still his embraces I gave him 200 so he can buy himself something to eat on top of his LT fee. Rest of morning spent lazy walking in the area and  catching up with e-mails and forum.

I wanted to see guy in Jey Spa , one I saw in Sabaidee in Dec 2021 so contacted them by Line if he is available. Response was impressively immediate – picture and question ‘ this boy ?” . I asked about 3 pm, after presumably contacting guy in question Maii2 another fast response arrived, “ 1hr 950 in VIP room  and  tip 1500 “. I asked about 1.5 hr, my usual timeline. Again response immediate “ VIP room 1250 and tip 1800”. When I okayed they immediately sent location and picture but I responded I know where you are. Not my first time there.

Not a cheapest place but I know them and did not expect anything else although I could shave 300 by asking for regular room . For reasons already explained I felt like treating myself though. So some light lunch in Foodland  and BTs to Nana station from where I had leisurely 45 minutes stroll to Jey Spa in soi 43.

Jey Spa doesn’t have a sign so is useful to have their address or contact them for location. To the left there are regular rooms and to the right with separate entrance, VIP ones where I belong today.

There were few boys on duty and all  presented themselves immediately but I disappointed them saying I’m already assigned. Soon my boy invited me to the room, luxury indeed, asked me to shower while he went to pick up presumably supplies and showered right after me. Goes without saying that procedure was clothing optional . massage was great , guy muscular and sweet at the same time. Too bad did not have much  English but half way through I knew it’s not our last meeting this trip. I added 200 to his well deserved minimum tip and promised to see him soon.

 Happy, happy marched to BTS , then MRT to Lumpini station as we had dinner with Christian PFC in Lido in soi Sri Bumphen. Christian introduced place as Gaybutton most favorite Italian restaurant in Bangkok  but let’s say it may be Gaybutton ‘s but certainly not mine. I found serving of my tortellini small but at big price. On another had apart from pizza at Madrid Tavern I’m not fan of Italian food anyways.

We had a lot to talk about anyways and Christian gave me detailed description of logistics of getting to train market in Mae Klong since I resolved to go there one day of this trip.

 We parted ways at dark , I took motorsai to my hotel to refresh and shave before hitting bars. My boys are complaining about my  apparently very coarse face hair so I make point of shaving before immersing in the night entertainment as one never knows.

 Drink with P at Hot Male beer bar and friendly chat with boys there. Since this trip I’m butterflying it was Moonlight from today’s rotation so I went there. Mamasan eyed me immediately and announced that while A , my muscle semi-god from there is absent he can bring him immediately and was somewhat puzzled that I resisted his proposal repeated numerous times.

Even my usual ‘ I like girls’ did not seem to discourage him but my plan today was to take somebody new so I was chasing him away tirelessly. And I eyed # 28, new face to me and as I learned later new face to bar as he started only few days ago. Muscular with face on bit axe murderer side so as close to my ideal as they go.

Motioned him from the scene and this time asked only if he goes with me  without going into ST vs LT. He was bit hungry and I did not fill myself much at Lido so one of us suggested World Famous Foodland and off we went.

I’m almost sure waiter suggested steak all the same like yesterday but he opted for something very modest and basic at less than 100 so first time in living memory my dish , you know what at 128 was more expensive than boy’s.

In the room he did not waste time  but took task to  prove that my choice  of guy was  wise one. So we become quite active on the bat. So active that at one point I, exhausted,  must fell asleep. Waked up in deep night in the darkened room but body beside was there. So he decided himself about staying LT . Great idea, so great that soon new round of gymnastics started. I start loving butterflying more and more.

 

[vinapu]

few photos of VIP room at Jey Spa

 

[Tartegogo]

9 minutes ago, vinapu said:

Mamasan eyed me immediately and announced that while A , my muscle semi-god from there is absent he can bring him immediately and was somewhat puzzled that I resisted his proposal repeated numerous times.

Even my usual ‘ I like girls’ did not seem to discourage him but my plan today was to take somebody new so I was chasing him away tirelessly.

Is it this one? They are so annoying!

[spoon]

27 minutes ago, vinapu said:

few photos of VIP room at Jey Spa

 

This room brings back memory!

[vinapu]

56 minutes ago, Tartegogo said:

Is it this one? They are so annoying!

no , it was one with  very old look.

That one above usually stays away from me 

[bkkmfj2648]

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At this moment problem of second chance is very academic. Due to personal circumstances this year 2023 is BIG question mark for me. No,  I'm not in trouble but life got in the way. Chances are that out of 4 planned times I wish I could travel to Thailand  (May, July , Oct and Dec ) this year none will materialize. And truth is it's not even in my control. 

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Whatever may keep you away from us in Thailand - please know that your heart and never ending kindness will be sorely missed.  Wishing you all the best Vinapu!!

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Whatever may keep you away from us in Thailand - please know that your heart and never ending kindness will be sorely missed.  Wishing you all the best Vinapu!!

Thank you,

you , not me , have a good heart. I'm optimist and it's why I have 4 trip terms in mind. What comes out of it we will know no later than Dec 31. I'm ready to pack and go on very short notice. Whether it will materialize God only knows . 

Siren call from Phnom Penh  may lure me in , lol

[MaxBKK]

Most of the guys providing services experience very complicated, stressful, and difficult lives—defined by grinding poverty and never ending financial obligations to the bottomless pit of very dysfunctional and often broken families.

They generally lack the critical thinking skills that most Westerners experience as second nature. Very few of them actually like working as service providers despite the smiles, genuine affection, and good nature they so readily share.

They will also not hesitate to completely reject you & your money, no matter the amount, if they don’t like you for whatever reason (e.g. fear of losing face, or loss of face, is by far the biggest driver). The interactions with the vast majority of their clients are opportunistic (and in real time) and a fleetingly brief transactional part of their lives.

In my experience, this is generally an accurate profile of who you typically meet. They are young men without much direction, ability to plan, very poor father role models, and not much hope for the future. Of course, there are exceptions to this but they’re few & far between.

[Boy69]

1 hour ago, MaxBKK said:

Most of the guys providing services experience very complicated, stressful, and difficult lives—defined by grinding poverty and never ending financial obligations to the bottomless pit of very dysfunctional and often broken families.

They generally lack the critical thinking skills that most Westerners experience as second nature. Very few of them actually like working as service providers despite the smiles, genuine affection, and good nature they so readily share.

They will also not hesitate to completely reject you & your money, no matter the amount, if they don’t like you for whatever reason (e.g. fear of losing face, or loss of face, is by far the biggest driver). The interactions with the vast majority of their clients are opportunistic (and in real time) and a fleetingly brief transactional part of their lives.

In my experience, this is generally an accurate profile of who you typically meet. They are young men without much direction, ability to plan, very poor father role models, and not much hope for the future. Of course, there are exceptions to this but they’re few & far between.

Very good observation, to this you can add guys who had been sexual abused, or have mental problems or just regular guys that need extra income. 

[reader]

4 hours ago, MaxBKK said:

In my experience, this is generally an accurate profile of who you typically meet. They are young men without much direction, ability to plan, very poor father role models, and not much hope for the future. Of course, there are exceptions to this but they’re few & far between.

My experience has been quite the opposite.  While the majority I don't expect to see again, I find many others (in Bangkok, at least) to be agreeable young men simply trying to make a life for themselves. Most come from other ASEAN countries. They often talk of their families and "dysfunctional" is hardly a word that comes to mind.

 

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, MaxBKK said:

 They are young men without much direction, ability to plan, very poor father role models, and not much hope for the future. Of course, there are exceptions to this but they’re few & far between.

all I know we only know about them as much as they told us. The same works other way.

I personally am not that critical and as reader pointed , I see young men who are trying to make living using assets they have i.e themselves and their good looks.

some are quite uplifting like one of my semi-regulars , single father who use to proudly point 'I don't have girlfriend but i have a son"

Other one , also mentioned often in my reports was orphaned my mother in his childhood  ( my friend who also offed him overheard him mumbling to himself ' mom help me", quite moving ) and later father was killed by Thai police. Yet still managed to built a house in his native village, whatever it is he calls a house. 

Personally when I think about them I avoid generalizations. Not all are poor or coming from poor backround. I know about 4 who have a car. One has small business, other one owns a condo. few , judging but how they speak English have quite extensive education. By no means they are prevailing examples but they do exist.

One who has steady job but paying only 10200 per month freely admits he goes with clients for easy money. Sleepless night bringing him 3000 it's almost 1/3 of his monthly take after all 

The same applies to us,  their clients. Our motivations to engage in the world of paid sex half world from home are very different and sometimes not even clear to ourselves I suspect. Some like Asians, some like sex far from home, some like to avoid any commitments (old saying 'most expensive sex is free one). It will be sex addicts and those who treat sex as vacation adventure.

And it will be those like me who fruitlessly search  for dream guy who can be offed for hand holding session only. Such dream guys are existing but it seems heat of the moment always derails hand holding only part.

[vinapu]

Day 8

 When parting in the morning I upped his tip by savings on his meal last night and even pointed it to him. Hope word spreads that it pays not to be too  glutenous.

 At 9 am met farang  friend in café near Mahanakhon, we had talk till 11  and resolved to go to train market after tomorrow , agreed to meet at Wongwian Yai station in time for 10.40  train.

Then I had mission as I got  suspicion from combing Grindr that one on my best guy ever, certain M from Senso is working as hairdresser in one of shops in Rama IX Central. So jumped on MRT and soon was combing that sizable mall in search of hairdresser shops.

Unfortunately did not spot him, perhaps too early , or his day off or whatever. Will try next time in Bangkok as I don’t give up on him easily.

Being in area went to Ratchada train market but it was too early and shops were closed but walking there I found 10 baht coin so at least my efforts paid of.

Next step was to have massage at new shop of 9-Teen in soi 6 with  guy who  was resident masseur in Tawan  last year , now task taken by Mas , their resident twink.

New shop is quite impressive, well designed and everything smells new. Word is that massage is proper , just like Prime around the corner without any sinister moves. Let’s say I decline comment on that , I liked my massage  session only conclusion was bit unnerving since my guy wanted higher tip than I offered. I succumbed to request but it will be while before he will see me if at all.

 As much as I like Tawan and their boys , I built reputation there as handy money dispenser. I know it’s my fault but it starts hurting me so perhaps it’s time to switch that pain to  guys and show them that greed is not good for their financial health. But that’s for future as that massage reminded me that this trip I did not go to Tawan yet so resolved to pay them a visit tonight.

But first a dinner, this time in G”Bangkok in soi 4 . they have one fusion German -Thai dish in casserole I like so much. Don’t remember name of it but on the page where they list fusion servings that’s the one in the very bottom.

 Next step was my daily drink with P at Hot Male and after a while there I walked to Tawan. It was nice to be greeted by all those smiles and handshakes, less nice to fend off   all those palms stretched for tips.  Today my tips  were reserved for performers in the show but yes , I bought drinks for 3 guys sitting with me including K  and B whom I offed few times in the past.

 I was bit surprised , K’s cousin waitress in Happy Beer did not spy on me as he was not aware I’m in Bangkok. I always admire Thai discretion.

Show as always was quite brave and very modern including not one but two special shows and usual  JO competition so I dispensed 9 red notes for their efforts.

K remembered that in Dec on his birthday I promised him to buy him whisky so I decided to off him tonight, invited him for a dinner in 7.5 stars and just before deadline bought him a bottle of wine as he asked for such substitution.

And then to hotel for  activities  like knitting , stamp  collection rearrangement and world peace discussions.

 

 

[bkkmfj2648]

9 hours ago, vinapu said:

The same applies to us,  their clients. Our motivations to engage in the world of paid sex half world from home are very different and sometimes not even clear to ourselves I suspect. Some like Asians, some like sex far from home, some like to avoid any commitments (old saying 'most expensive sex is free one). It will be sex addicts and those who treat sex as vacation adventure.

Vinapu, I would add to your list, those of us who choose to retire here to continue all of what is written above - because it is cheaper than in our home countries, the weather is better, the food is great, the beaches are wonderful.  Furthermore, the big gay retirement community that is here gives us a sense of happiness and security knowing that we can avoid the assisted care centers back in our home countries, that might require us to go back into the closet for the last years of our lives.  Instead, we can die with dignity, having our Thai guys take care of us until the bitter end - in my mind, this Thai type of assisted living care is SO much better than the back home version and is affordable.

Last year, my mother died in assisted living care (she was there for 3 long years), and it was costing us between $7,000 to $9,000 USD each month - truly outrageously expensive.  The assisted care center was nice - but very mechanical and mundane in its approach - not the way that I want to finish the last years of my life - so, Thailand it is for me.

Edited February 20, 2023 by bkkmfj2648
fix typo

[Boy69]

On 2/19/2023 at 2:07 AM, vinapu said:

I suspect if may be a case of my dealings with Handsome Cambodian, I forgave him his antics and ever since he is better and better, we met 3 times so there's some statistic sample to back my claim up.

Yes I agree that some guys we met deserves second chance but not this one he acted like a jirk from the beginning and all he tried to do is to squeeze as much money as he can without giving a thing in return so why he would be better on second chance?

He is a crook and will stay a crook.there are many better guys waiting there you really don't have to waste your time on him.

[MarcSingap]

11 hours ago, vinapu said:

Day 8

 When parting in the morning I upped his tip by savings on his meal last night and even pointed it to him. Hope word spreads that it pays not to be too  glutenous.

 At 9 am met farang  friend in café near Mahanakhon, we had talk till 11  and resolved to go to train market after tomorrow , agreed to meet at Wongwian Yai station in time for 10.40  train.

Then I had mission as I got  suspicion from combing Grindr that one on my best guy ever, certain M from Senso is working as hairdresser in one of shops in Rama IX Central. So jumped on MRT and soon was combing that sizable mall in search of hairdresser shops.

Unfortunately did not spot him, perhaps too early , or his day off or whatever. Will try next time in Bangkok as I don’t give up on him easily.

Being in area went to Ratchada train market but it was too early and shops were closed but walking there I found 10 baht coin so at least my efforts paid of.

Next step was to have massage at new shop of 9-Teen in soi 6 with  guy who  was resident masseur in Tawan  last year , now task taken by Mas , their resident twink.

New shop is quite impressive, well designed and everything smells new. Word is that massage is proper , just like Prime around the corner without any sinister moves. Let’s say I decline comment on that , I liked my massage  session only conclusion was bit unnerving since my guy wanted higher tip than I offered. I succumbed to request but it will be while before he will see me if at all.

 As much as I like Tawan and their boys , I built reputation there as handy money dispenser. I know it’s my fault but it starts hurting me so perhaps it’s time to switch that pain to  guys and show them that greed is not good for their financial health. But that’s for future as that massage reminded me that this trip I did not go to Tawan yet so resolved to pay them a visit tonight.

But first a dinner, this time in G”Bangkok in soi 4 . they have one fusion German -Thai dish in casserole I like so much. Don’t remember name of it but on the page where they list fusion servings that’s the one in the very bottom.

 Next step was my daily drink with P at Hot Male and after a while there I walked to Tawan. It was nice to be greeted by all those smiles and handshakes, less nice to fend off   all those palms stretched for tips.  Today my tips  were reserved for performers in the show but yes , I bought drinks for 3 guys sitting with me including K  and B whom I offed few times in the past.

 I was bit surprised , K’s cousin waitress in Happy Beer did not spy on me as he was not aware I’m in Bangkok. I always admire Thai discretion.

Show as always was quite brave and very modern including not one but two special shows and usual  JO competition so I dispensed 9 red notes for their efforts.

K remembered that in Dec on his birthday I promised him to buy him whisky so I decided to off him tonight, invited him for a dinner in 7.5 stars and just before deadline bought him a bottle of wine as he asked for such substitution.

And then to hotel for  activities  like knitting , stamp  collection rearrangement and world peace discussions.

 

 

"fusion German -Thai dish"  - OMG what is that ???!!

German dishes are about combining potatoes and all kind of sausages... who can you fusion this with a Thai soup or curry ? Looks like a horror movie to me ! 

[alvnv]

8 hours ago, MarcSingap said:

"fusion German -Thai dish"  - OMG what is that ???!!

Luk Khrueng

[vinapu]

Day 9

K left at 8 after breakfast downstairs with promise to take him to MahaNakhon. We were there already but obviously he liked it and this trip I did not go there yet so why not? One day we ‘ll go.

 Then I went to  met my farang friend again in the same place  we met yesterday. We confirmed trip to train market tomorrow.

Returning to hotel I packed my meagre belongings and moved to Furama Sathorn Xclusive hotel. That move was planned as safety valve  after CCP asked me to move flights. I wanted to have escape route in case things won’t work. After discovering that hotel in Dec 2021 it’s my most favorite in BKK and even better value than Raya. Older place but room are big and  breakfast included in price.

In fact when cost of breakfast for two at Foodland is added to Baan Silom rate cost of staying at Furama Xclusive works out almost the same. It was short walk from one hotel to another and luckily my room was already available so I could move in just before noon and again they rewarded my loyalty by upgrading me one notch above room I booked. Goes without saying never problems with visitors there and nobody is rising brews seeing different companion every morning.

 In Decmeber 2021 hero of  my trip was T from Sabaidee spa but somehow I did not see him after that trip, neither in May nor in October last year an somehow I felt nostalgic today so I Lined him and asked to come to work at 5 pm for reunion and after that fell asleep for good 2 hours. All those long times and sleepless nights are showing .

Trek to Sabaidee for very rewarding massage session , too bad that his English is almost non existent and not much talk could be done using google translate as obviously we did not meet for smartphone session.

 Even if it was excellent and in great degree proper massage session I decided for one more. But first , feeling hungry I went to G’Bangkok in soi 4 for a dinner and was surprised how busy restaurant was – I took last table. Then to hotel to refresh and shave and my next step was Tawan but not for show. Another day K told me that after M left for 9-Teen, now Mas, resident twink is one who is giving massages and since I like him , thank you very much,  I couldn’t deny myself a pleasure.

I was bit surprised that their price was raised to 800 , it was only 500  last two trips. Session was great and we even had some massage indeed so despite price it was pure pleasure – that is what happens when you really like the guy. At end I was taken aback a bit when he asked for no less than 2000 tip but I paid gladly since as I said above, I like him. But at that price it may be once a trip pleasure.

 I think I’m pricing myself out of Tawan, don’t blame boys but myself. Never thought being stingy has merits but slowly I’m warming to an idea , at least there. I did not stay in bar, only told B I will off him later and paid off fee to secure it and went to soi 4 to Banana Club.

 I had a beer outside as I like one of their barkers , bought him a beer and slipped 100 baht into his jeans  discretely using  well rehearsed Vinapu Tuck. One day I must get acquainted with him closer.

 Even Her Majesty Mamasan Lucy   came to say hallo and asked if I have a tip for her to an cheerful answer ‘ no’.

 Then another beer inside, I asked one of their guys to seat with me , bought him a drink and tipped 500 for a feel. Smooth like baby and endowed like porn pro so money well spent. After a good half an hour I sent him back to the stage knowing I won’t off him tonight and it was great move as he was called by some other customer right after -poor guy in audience  was probably waiting impatiently if I off the boy or not. Boys in Banana are not generally my type but apart from guy sitting with me I spotted other 4  I could off, all twinks with hooliganish faces I so like. Who knows, one day I will test them one by one.

 It was past 11pm  when after having so good time in Banana I returned to Tawan to pick up B. Of course as soon as I went inside few palms were outstretched and few undies lowered , all asking for tips but since today I changed religion to stingy , all were left empty handed and empty underweared. I start liking my new,  Scrooge like,  behavior there. I lie bar and boys there but as I said , I spoiled them and in process my experience there. Now time to reverse course.

Advantage of B is not only his built- steely muscles with 0% fat but also distinction of being one without habit of outstretched palm.

 Dinner at Foodland , again I swear the same friendly waiter suggested he orders steak and today it was prime cut indeed so good value for my money and then quick moto rode to hotel for another mostly sleepless night.

 

[vinapu]

to get you an idea why I sing such accolades to Furama Sathorn few pictures of my room, there including famous suitcase which was supposed to be gifted to CCP in Phnom Penh.

[vinapu]

17 hours ago, Boy69 said:

Yes I agree that some guys we met deserves second chance but not this one he acted like a jirk from the beginning and all he tried to do is to squeeze as much money as he can without giving a thing in return so why he would be better on second chance?

He is a crook and will stay a crook. there are many better guys waiting there you really don't have to waste your time on him.

You 100% right but all I'm saying because I liked him  and knowing now what I know now  if he contacted me in future I still may be tempted.  Sure thing I will not make first step but that doesn't mean any step.

[vinapu]

14 hours ago, MarcSingap said:

"fusion German -Thai dish"  - OMG what is that ???!!

German dishes are about combining potatoes and all kind of sausages... who can you fusion this with a Thai soup or curry ? Looks like a horror movie to me ! 

horror movie to one is just comedy for other.

That's schnitzel with rice and vegatebles in thick creamy curry sauce. Yummy !!!

Next time we meet crossing Silom it on me for you nad your man but it must be the same man who was with you then

[PeterRS]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

to get you an idea why I sing such accolades to Furama Sathorn few pictures of my room, there including famous suitcase which was supposed to be gifted to CCP in Phnom Penh.

I note that like many hotels the floor is not carpeted. In Asia I have little problem with this as most guests take off their outdoor shoes when entering, but I have noted that hotels in other parts of the world (not merely beach hotels) have started abandoning carpets. This obviously makes cleaning simoler and cheaper, but I have learned through experience to avoid them where possible. Noise from above has a nasty habit of filtering down and noise is one issue I want to avoid when i am trying to sleep.

Case 1 was a hotel in Hong Kong. The man in the room above did not take off his shoes when entering his room and i heard every clump, clump late in the evening and first thing in the morning.

Case 2 was a Holiday Inn at Helsinki airport where I spent 2 nights before and after flights up beyond the Arctic Circle. Once again, whoever was in the room above wore heavy shoes as he strode around the room and every step was heard in mine. Then at 5:30ish in the morning he was clearly packing his bag when it dropped on to the floor and woke me up. I then heard him shower and a few minutes later he dropped his keys on to the floor.

Carpets carry a risk of tiny bugs but I'll take them any day to noise from above.

[vinapu]

43 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

Carpets carry a risk of tiny bugs ...

and tend to absorb smell and dirt so recent evolution toward carpet free floors is God -sent for me .

I have high tolerance for noise but low for smells , that may be reason

[Londoner]

Vinapu's hotel photos seemed familiar, despite my never having stayed at Furama. It was the floor; I've seen that same wood (faux-wood?) flooring from Krabi to Chiang Rai. Some Thai business-I hope it's Thai- is making a good profit.

PeterRS is certainly right about noise- and I'm very sensitive to any disturbance- but when Tarntawan dispensed with those old, smelly carpets a few years ago to be replaced by you-know-what, I was delighted.

 

[vinapu]

4 hours ago, Londoner said:

 It was the floor; I've seen that same wood (faux-wood?) flooring from Krabi to Chiang Rai.

 

not only there , one can see the same in my kitchen. I love it

[MarcSingap]

12 hours ago, vinapu said:

horror movie to one is just comedy for other.

That's schnitzel with rice and vegatebles in thick creamy curry sauce. Yummy !!!

Next time we meet crossing Silom it on me for you nad your man but it must be the same man who was with you then

Yes with pleasure ! We both will be happy to meet you again !

I am (again) flying from France today. In Bangkok tomorrow. Then Pattaya. Then Siem Reap.