vinapu Posted February 11, 2023 Posted February 11, 2023 2 hours ago, forky123 said: I don’t bargain usually. Either the price they ask is what I’m willing to pay or I move on. I always feel that someone I’ve agreed is worth what they ask is likely to give me a better time than someone I’ve haggled with to the nth degree. That's my philosophy and practice as well. If price they quote it's to high I counteroffer with what I consider fair and it's yes or no i.e 'how much do you want ? ' "2500", ' no , 2000', " 2200 ?", 'sorry no, 2000'. If he will be good , chances are he still will get his 2500 or 2200 at end of session. young11, Tartegogo and reader 3 Quote
MarcSingap Posted February 11, 2023 Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, floridarob said: I don't think laughing is being respectful.....??? There is no country like Thailand where people laugh about everything. Listen to the boys. They laugh about everybody. They laugh about themselves. Do never get angry, laugh. I am speaking about a candid laugh...😆 Marc in Calif and Patanawet 1 1 Quote
MarcSingap Posted February 11, 2023 Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, vinapu said: why would you laugh ? I'd find it disrespectful . Just counteroffer without any grimaces sorry for repeating floridarob thesis but I posted before I read that post Really no. In Thailand a candid laugh is never disrespectful. Sure you know. They always laugh about everything. And as bargaining is a game, a little laugh is always welcomed. The boy usually get that you understand the game. Of course, if I offer 400 only, my cheap-Charlie laugh will not be really welcomed... Patanawet and Marc in Calif 1 1 Quote
Members young11 Posted February 11, 2023 Author Members Posted February 11, 2023 Americans don't understand anything that's not American because they are not educated? Wow such a generalization! And someone who doesn't bargain must be American because he doesn't understand other cultures? Another big generalization, which I find quite offensive. Everyone is different just like every culture, and I didn't say that those who bargain is worse than me, I simply said it is not my type of doing things...others can do whatever they want and however they want... Respecting each other goes a long way for this forum yo help each other. Hostility only destroys the common goods we create here... Marc in Calif, MarcSingap and kokopelli3 2 1 Quote
Members Tartegogo Posted February 11, 2023 Members Posted February 11, 2023 6 hours ago, MarcSingap said: Like if this boy was the Grand Priest of the Royal Temple of Phra Kaew !! Some boys are worth bowing to like this! MarcSingap 1 Quote
Members Tartegogo Posted February 11, 2023 Members Posted February 11, 2023 10 hours ago, forky123 said: It’s strange. I tip based on how good the massage and extras are rather than how attractive the masseur is. I’d much rather have excellent extras than a pretty face. I am with @vinapu on this one, a pretty face is the first condition for hire. vinapu 1 Quote
forky123 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Tartegogo said: I am with @vinapu on this one, a pretty face is the first condition for hire. That’s fine. All the more not quite so beautiful ones eager to do a good job for me at a cheaper price. Tartegogo and TMax 1 1 Quote
macaroni21 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 16 hours ago, Tartegogo said: I am with @vinapu on this one, a pretty face is the first condition for hire. Wait, since when was @vinapu into pretty faces? Didn't he say some of his hookups looked like axe murderers? floridarob, TMax and Tartegogo 2 1 Quote
Popular Post vinapu Posted February 12, 2023 Popular Post Posted February 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, macaroni21 said: Wait, since when was @vinapu into pretty faces? Didn't he say some of his hookups looked like axe murderers? well , we need to establish first what pretty means. You are correct I like axe murderer's faces but what makes you thinking they are not pretty , at least for those tired eyes ? What I wanted to point it's I look at guy's face first and if I like what I see other attributes are secondary GWMinUS, TMax, Tartegogo and 3 others 6 Quote
Popular Post forky123 Posted March 17, 2023 Popular Post Posted March 17, 2023 Soda Massage - Jomtien Complex - Diagonally opposite Dick's Cafe - End of road with Agate/Zing R&S Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 300. No minimum mentioned for boys. Boys quality: Lots of choice (10 to 15 boys) but more twinks and few muscle. Ambience: 9 rooms, pretty clean with doors but thin walls which do not go to ceiling. Communal shower and open toilet. Massage Quality: I've been 3 times since I arrived 2 weeks ago and it's a little pot luck as far as I can tell. Massage 1 - Good massage, more sensual than firm but lots of good touch. Afters were HJ and prostate massage. Enjoyable Massage 2 - OK massage, not enough pressure and in no way sensual. Masseur stayed dressed and moved away from touch. No afters. Not a good enough massage overally Massage 3 - Good massage, again more sensual than firm but lots of good touch. Afters were BJ and prostate massage. Enjoyable Overall - It's got the most choice I found at the moment but there seem to be a few masseurs who will only give a very basic massage. Still worth it overall, just watch your choice. TMax, Tartegogo, tm_nyc and 4 others 5 2 Quote
Popular Post forky123 Posted March 17, 2023 Popular Post Posted March 17, 2023 Helios Massage - Tukcom - Coming from beach, take road along Tukcom. Helios is about 200m on the left. Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 500. 1000 minimum for boy 1.5 hour Oil Massage - 700. 1200 minimum for boy 1 hour Foam Massage - 600. 1000 minimum for boy Boys quality: 5 or 6 boys. Low 20's to low 30's Ambience: Lots of stairs !! Room and separate shower. Seemed cleaner than I remember as this has always been a favorite for me. Massage Quality: I've been twice in the two weeks I've been here. Will be going again in the next couple of days for a foam massage. Massage 1 - Good massage, Sensual but also a firmish touch. Afters was BJ's. Would probably have been more had I asked. When talking afterwards he said he was versatile. Massage 2 - Very good massage with a sensual but firm touch of all areas. Took a while for him to get an erection but once he did it was really hard. He did try to top me without a condom but that was not going to happen. That seems to be far more common now than it used to be, probably due to prep and the number of farangs who don't care what STIs are spread. Overall - Still a favorite place for me. Probably not going to be a favorite for those who like 18/19 year olds or those that like the overly muscled. TMax, JimmyJoe, tm_nyc and 3 others 5 1 Quote
Popular Post forky123 Posted March 17, 2023 Popular Post Posted March 17, 2023 Foxy Massage - Jomtien Complex - Same side of road as Zing R&S and Agate. Just before Soda Massage Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 300. No minimum for boy Boys quality: 8 to 10 boys. Mix of ages and types. Ambience: No shower offered. Basic room. Massage Quality: What massage !! Got into the room, the boy made a half hearted couple of rubs on my calf, moved up to my thigh and then shoved 3 fingers up my ass without so much as a by your leave. He also had nails that felt like razor blades. Suffice to say, if you want a fuck this is a poor substitute for all the boy bars in Jomtien. if you want a massage go to Soda which is 50 yards away. Overall - I'll be generous and call it crap. vinapu, Rent Boy, floridarob and 8 others 4 2 3 2 Quote
Popular Post forky123 Posted March 17, 2023 Popular Post Posted March 17, 2023 Somjit Massage - Tukcom - Turn right at Tukcom. Somjit is 150 yards up on right hand side. If you get to Helios you've gone to far. Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 300. No minimum for boy Boys quality: 2 boys on duty when I got there late afternoon but was about 5 or 6 when I left. Generally youngish. Ambience: No shower offered. Room is open with 4 beds and curtains in between. Each area is very small. 1 to 2 feet of space on each side. Massage Quality: The massage was ok. The boy knew the moves but was very light touch. He also avoided all sensual areas for the first 45 minutes of the massage. No chemistry at all and when he tried to get me hard at the end I simply told him no thanks. Overall - I'm guessing it will be erratic. I'm not going to go back during this trip but I've heard others have had better luck there. tm_nyc, Tartegogo, Rent Boy and 4 others 7 Quote
Popular Post forky123 Posted March 17, 2023 Popular Post Posted March 17, 2023 Paradise Massage - Soi 13/4 down from A-Bomb and Boyztown entrance. Cost - 1 hour Oil Massage - 400. No minimum mentioned for boy Boys quality: I'd passed earlier in my trip and it had a poor selection but 2nd time I went past there was a variety of 6 or so boys. The boys seem to take it in turns if you don't show an immediate preference. The boy was very keen, had a cute face and body, a big smile and was quite young. Not my normal type but I didn't have the heart to say no as he was literally bouncing around. Ambience: Surprisingly nice. The room had a large shower cubicle in and plenty of space. I'm pretty sure all rooms are not the same. Stairs are a bit iffy (quite narrow) if you have difficulties and no bannister on lower portion. Massage Quality: The massage was pretty good. Very sensual and as soon as the boy started he rested his cock and balls on the soles of my feet as he massaged my legs. He kept his cock and balls in easy range all through the massage but the funniest thing was that his cock was incredibly sensitive. Once I realised, I basically had him nearly doubled up due to just how sensitive he was. It was hugely amusing for me but he gamely carried on. The ending was mutual BJ as he was very much a bottom. Overall - As much as it was a fun time and good massage, I prefer a top. I will go back though with luck before the end of my trip. Tartegogo, llz, vinapu and 9 others 9 3 Quote
Popular Post reader Posted March 17, 2023 Popular Post Posted March 17, 2023 Although I don't visit Pattaya, I appreciate the time and effort you put into your massage shop reports. It represents a genuine service to the board. Your comments are concise and you are careful to treat the guys with dignity. Enjoyed reading about your adventures.🙂 vinapu, splinter1949, JimmyJoe and 3 others 6 Quote
macaroni21 Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 I'll second that - a useful service. Thanks for taking the trouble. splinter1949, floridarob and tm_nyc 3 Quote
12is12 Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 I join the accolades for your valuable contributions. However, per my policy of (not full but) more disclosure, I'd like to add the question: why not share the names (no additional details) of the worthy and the disappointing? For example: in sauna X, John provides a service above and beyond; in sauna Y, Joe doesnt add any sensual component to the massage. OOH, no invasion of privacy, no indignities. OTOH, invaluable info for future patrons. Quote
reader Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 All one because I know you'd have no problem with masseurs sharing their option of customers' performance.. Quote
12is12 Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 I think it's a great idea! Why not? U r welcome to encourage the masseurs to create a forum, where they could share info about clients that dont tip well. It would of course b less useful, because we come and go while they r the constant in the equation. Tartegogo and vinapu 2 Quote
Popular Post forky123 Posted March 18, 2023 Popular Post Posted March 18, 2023 7 hours ago, 12is12 said: I join the accolades for your valuable contributions. However, per my policy of (not full but) more disclosure, I'd like to add the question: why not share the names (no additional details) of the worthy and the disappointing? For example: in sauna X, John provides a service above and beyond; in sauna Y, Joe doesnt add any sensual component to the massage. OOH, no invasion of privacy, no indignities. OTOH, invaluable info for future patrons. I don't do it because I believe actions of individual boys is private, individual, based on chemistry and training. What a boy may or not do for me may also be different for another customer. I decided many years ago on my early reports that I would either describe what happened or name the boy but never both. That a boy is not good at massage today or doesn't do afters today does not mean that won't have changed significantly in a couple of months once he realises the difference in the tips he gets or gains more practice. Marc in Calif, AndyUK, tm_nyc and 6 others 7 2 Quote
vinapu Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 10 hours ago, forky123 said: Paradise Massage - Soi 13/4 down from A-Bomb and Boyztown entrance. I can recommend Wit from there day and night forky123 1 Quote
12is12 Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 Bravo Vinapu, for giving an example. Do all the nay sayers find anything wrong with that? Forky, I agree with ur observations but not with ur conclusions. U r a good kind generous person, giving a disappointing masseur the benefit of the doubt (maybe he'll change, maybe it's personal chemistry). However, u r doing so at other patrons' expense. I would rather avoid any masseur u defined above as "crap". This is especially so with cheats, who promise and dont deliver or who fake pics. They deserve NO consideration. vinapu 1 Quote
forky123 Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, 12is12 said: Bravo Vinapu, for giving an example. Do all the nay sayers find anything wrong with that? Forky, I agree with ur observations but not with ur conclusions. U r a good kind generous person, giving a disappointing masseur the benefit of the doubt (maybe he'll change, maybe it's personal chemistry). However, u r doing so at other patrons' expense. I would rather avoid any masseur u defined above as "crap". This is especially so with cheats, who promise and dont deliver or who fake pics. They deserve NO consideration. My recommendation was to go to one of the bars if you wanted sex and to go to Soda if you wanted a massage rather than going to Foxy. Either way puts the patron in a place other than Foxy where the masseur works. Quote
12is12 Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 But u didnt name the "craps". I wouldnt go to any crappy hotel or restaurant (or lawyer or handiman) with bad reviews. No reviewer gives them the benefit of the doubt, hiding their names. Patrons simply report their experience, without thinking "maybe they'll improve". Why r masseurs different? Why shouldnt we learn from your experience whom to avoid? Quote
reader Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 15 hours ago, 12is12 said: U r welcome to encourage the masseurs to create a forum Your magnanimity humbles me but I'm opting for a more expeditious route: encourage the boys to simply join this forum. Sure, many don't write English but they can use Google Translate (same way most of us communicate with them) and they actually might use all the vowels. Then they could rate our performance in the same way we rate them. Now that's transparency. 15 hours ago, 12is12 said: It would of course b less useful, because we come and go while they r the constant in the equation. Actually I think you've got it backward. Unlike us, few of the boys are in it for the long haul. We're the lifers in your equation. 2 hours ago, 12is12 said: But u didnt name the "craps". I wouldnt go to any crappy hotel or restaurant (or lawyer or handiman) with bad reviews. No reviewer gives them the benefit of the doubt, hiding their names. Patrons simply report their experience, without thinking "maybe they'll improve". Why r masseurs different? Why shouldnt we learn from your experience whom to avoid? In 21 years of visiting Bangkok, this is the first time I heard a punter refer to boys as "craps." Think I'm beginning to understand why you encounter so many unsatisfactory performers. Why are they different from hotels and restaurants? Maybe because they're human beings. TMax and gytis123 2 Quote