Back in Thailand from Laos - November 2022 trip report

[vinapu]

this is last of 5 reports from month long trip to Thailand, Cambodia, Thailand , Laos and Thailand  I took in October and November.

Previous legs are reported here :

 https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38515-shortest-trip-ever-but-still-blood-pressure-rising-report/ 

Followed by 10 days in Cambodia reported here:

 https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38619-guys-and-ruins-ruins-and-boys-trip-to-cambodia-in-oct-2022 

and 8 days in Thailand reported here :

https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38709-back-in-thailand-from-cambodia-october-2022-trip-report/

then  6 days in Laos reported here :

https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38752-laos-trip-in-november-2022-report/

Day 1

 Before I left for Laos I arranged with driver who took me to Pattaya to pick me up today from Don Muang and drive me there again. It was done both verbal and I left him detailed note, other driver present who spoke good English explained him that too so I expected process to be fast and smooth.

When in arrival hall,  he was nowhere to be seen so I asked dispatch to call him. He went to Swampy instead !

 Realizing his mistake he told dispatch he is not coming to Don Muang to pick me up, rather he will hunt for some fare there. Fine, many fish in the sea, I was ready just to take one from taxi rank but dispatch told me   she will have driver for me. We agreed on 1500 price and after about 45 minutes of waiting he showed up. I probably would be better off with my original plan taking somebody from taxi stand but now I had no choice . Can was shiny, driver smiling, it was not taxi , just her friend with car,  but who cares ? Transport was secured.

 In about 2 hrs 20 minutes I was back in Boyztown. On my way I Lined bkkmfj I will be there and he showed up shortly in the soi. Today we decided to have beer at Pikky, after emptying our bottles there we went to Dreamboys. We were only customers there, about 8 boys available but none our type so after finishing out drinks we went to BBB.

Boys were standing on the stage , among them few with tops removed . One of them was HC whom I had in Bangkok before going to Laos and who decided to cut his stay with me short. I did not hold any grudges and using ‘vinapu tuck’ tipped him and another bare chested guy as well as one fully dressed who was smiling at me broadly. I was kind of thinking to off one of them three but  at one moment I spotted 2 familiar faces – Cambodian boys whom  I offed in May along with brother of one of them. They remembered me as well  so we were fixed for night today minus brother who was in their room not feeling well.

 On departure HC smiling asked me if he can see me tomorrow. I told him I will Line him but knew already it will be a case. I got over issue we had long ago and still  have soft spot for him. We even shook hands. Bkkmfj went home and I with boys to metal tables restaurant  for a dinner as they were hungry. Then to my room at Copa for night of fun. We developed procedure in May and sticked to it so no threesome but two sets twosomes through the night.

 

[bkkmfj2648]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

We developed procedure in May and sticked to it so no threesome but two sets twosomes through the night.

I used a similar procedure many years ago when I took 3 guys back to my room from Nice Boys in Sunee.  They would not do it with each other so we did one at a time until I was super exhausted.  It was truly a lot of fun as the guys were crazy comparing notes between our intervals.

[vinapu]

2 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

I used a similar procedure many years ago when I took 3 guys back to my room from Nice Boys in Sunee.  They would not do it with each other so we did one at a time until I was super exhausted.  It was truly a lot of fun as the guys were crazy comparing notes between our intervals.

when I took the same 2 boys plus brother of one of them in May  procedure was the same but no notes taking , two not involved pretended to sleep or at least not to pay any attention to goings in the bed. So I guess you had bit more fun with your trio

[vinapu]

Day 2

 Similarly to our last time together nobody was in rush in the morning and it was only 11 am when we decided to part ways, they collected their tips and decided to skip breakfast as it was almost lunch time. It was message from HC ‘ can I see you today?” so I asked him to come at 3 pm and in meantime I went to Paradise Spa for another excellent massage and afters with Wit who was actually quite surprised I’m back. Then went to eat something and returned to my room as it started to rain . As always, HC showed on the dot at appointed 3 p.m.

 There was no doubt he drew lesson from out last meeting and by his own admission he realized not only his  mistake but also  financial loss resulting from it.   Whatever disagreement we had we cleared it cheerfully and we had very good time together, changed , charming man he become.

I upped his ST  tip a bit , invited him for tonight again and agreed to take him to Bangkok again for remaining 2 days of my trip. It was  quite a bit of charity in that since I knew I will sent him home earlier because I had other plans for my last day but I kept my plans to myself just in case something won’t work on  my side.

 Considering what happened   between us 2 weeks ago one may criticize that I rewarded undesirable behavior and would be right. But I had reason to be generous and forgiving based on what I knew , what I heard from him and his behavior today. I’m believer in giving another chance and as I said here few dozen  times already my second worst and best off ever was with the same guy two years apart.

Or may be I’m just old fool thinking I’m in love and being blinded by that ?

After he left I went to DasBerliner   for a schnitzel. If biguyby reads this I’m pleased to report they survived  covid without scratch and when there I was recalling our diners there . Hope to see you again in Pattaya my friend.

Then I parked myself over beer  in front of BBB. I was hoping bkkmfj shows tonight again but he lined me he is not feeling well and he wont.

 I was hoping to catch that another  bare chested guy I spotted last night at BBB  on his way to work and grab him right away before somebody else does. Plot worked. At one point he was just passing by so I stopped him , invited for drink and over drink learned his nick is  Ben. He agreed to accompany me so I paid my tab plus off fee and off we went. He turned not only well built but also well behaved and we had good time indeed till quarter to midnight.  

Knowing HC is punctual I preferred to have that 15 minutes cushion. And he turned in  as expected on the dot .

[vinapu]

 

Day 3

 We continued having our good time we had in the afternoon well into night with no phone in sight to my great relief. Only in the morning he asked me if I don’t mind , I did not. Tipped him as agreed and it was rewarding to see his happy smile. I used this occasion to steal another kiss accompanied by his shy smile as it’s a bit novelty to him. When I saw him before this trip he was not into kissing at all.  Only my charm ( read my tips) converted him at least temporarily.

 He did not like food at restaurant we had breakfast last time so we took songtaew to KISS on second Road. After that we parted ways and agreed to meet at noon. On my way I ordered taxi in one of booths along the street  had last stroll through the sois , packed up and yes , on the dot at noon both taxi and HC showed up.

In 2 hours we were at 56 Suriwong hotel. I already described it in  thread devoted to it , new place , quite big room with furniture more utilitarian than fancy at perfect location exactly across Patpong 1.

 Not necessarily my first choice in the area , I like Raya better but all boils down to a price.

 For lunch I suggested Madrid and HC surprised me after asking  how far it is by suggesting we can walk. Certainly he  is non standard boy, punctual, likes to walk and to pay for his small purchases like drinks at 7/11.  But when returning he suggested tuk-tuk anyways, if was too far after all it seems.

 Afternoon we spent together in the room as I had other plans for evening so told him  up front I will be absent then.

 At dark I went to Hotmale to talk to paulsf – we both are leaving after tomorrow and reader, had drink with P, one of their new guys I already offed  before going to Laos then I went to Moonlight for the show. A , the muscle god came to say hallo and I used this opportunity to secure offing him tomorrow night. It was past midnight when I returned to the room to find HC sleeping deep still in his trousers. My gentle side disappeared somewhere and I undressed him right away, waking him up in the process but he did not complain being aware  I don’t pay guys  to sleep when I don't.

 

[jason1975]

10 hours ago, vinapu said:

At dark I went to Hotmale to talk to paulsf – we both are leaving after tomorrow and reader, had drink with P, one of their new guys I already offed  before going to Laos then I went to Moonlight for the show. A , the muscle god came to say hallo and I used this opportunity to secure offing him tomorrow night. It was past midnight when I returned to the room to find HC sleeping deep still in his trousers. My gentle side disappeared somewhere and I undressed him right away, waking him up in the process but he did not complain being aware  I don’t pay guys  to sleep when I don't.

 

Why didn't you take HC with you to meet the forum members and to Moonlight to watch the show?

[vinapu]

It's different conversation with forum friends when boys are present, we must be more careful what and how we say it  and of course we need to make sure they are engaged in conversation so for that reason I preferred not to drag him along. I warned him I will be busy with farang friends  in the evenings before we even set off for BKK 

As for Moonlight  show, as most of bar boys,  he was not interested in going but I was fair, added to his tip 400 I saved by not buying him drink there.

 

[vinapu]

Day 4

 That’s my last day, time for charity so after morning gymnastics and breakfast at Unesco I told my companion that today I won’t have much time for him  so he needs to fend for himself or he can return to Pattaya tipped for both yesterday and today. He liked second option so after bit more   fun together  he packed and left smiling. When crossing Suriwong he actually turned back to see if I’m in window and waved at me before I lost his sight.

It was a little bit of adventure with him but at end of day we parted ways happy and I’m glad that both my friend 18past19 and me were able to help him in what it seemed like his hour of need.  Hope he will do well and I can see him in future. I had more rewarding offs but no boy ever stroke me with his good  looks like he did when I saw him first time few years ago. Now I feel we are even.

 At noon ChristianPFC dropped by, we went to Foodland for a lunch and then upon learning he is going to Mor Chit bus station to buy ticket for his incoming trip I decided to go with him since , hard to believe , I never been there.

For more fun we took bus 77 from Silom and it took about 40 minutes to get there. Bus station impressed me with size, simply saying it’s just cavernous. We returned the same way . In meantime I arranged with former model X to see me this afternoon and indeed upon saying good bye to Christian and arriving in hotel, he was already waiting for me in the lobby.  Good 3 hours of fun , he never disappoints and I like way he is reading me i.e. what I like and when. If you add hunky,  muscular body I can say there’s only one other guy who is perfectly blending being muscle god with perfect service  and he will be my guest tonight.

 Since I was planning dinner with anddy at G’Bangkok I invited X to tag along securing earlier both gentleman’s approval which was easy since we had dinners together before. Great evening and great food. Later on X left us, anddy and I went to Hot Male beer bar to have last / for me / chat with paulsf and reader as well as their boys. Tomorrow morning   I’m out. At 10   waved good bye to everybody and went to Moonlight for the show. A was absent but  mamasan was aware about  our agreement last night and greeted me with news ‘ I will call him over “. In meantime I invited Sam , guy I offed LT from New Twilight in May and who joined me and other member for trip to Grand Palace next day  to have  a drink with me. He was disappointed  when I told him I’m busy tonight and leave for good tomorrow. Who would not be , seeing ATM shaped as KFC man departing ? I tipped new guy on the stage who shortly came to say thank you , we had a chat as well, turned out he is Pinoy, first Filippino guy I met in Thai bar as stage boy. Very talkative so hope he will be there next time I'm. 

When A showed up suggested some dinner at Unesco which he named Foodland so off we went , I just had crème Brulé still being full after G’Bangkok.

 We had fun till 3 am including our customary show of force which I always loose, no chance with such muscled guy  but always surprise him that is not that easy to fight old guy.  He was gone , I quickly packed little I had and started trek home. Friendly receptionist offered he will stop taxi for me and indeed one just showed up visibly being parked in hotel’s parking. It was not long trip as driver  suggested 500 fare , when I pointed at meter he said “no’ countered with mine “  stop”  , right in front of Raya. 90 second later another taxi showed up , this time no problem. In airport it was smooth and soon I was in the air, leaving Thailand for 25^th time ending month long trip taking 3 countries and including 3 visits in Thailand. It was good idea to spent relatively busy and certainly sleepless  good part of night with A as I felt bit tired and actually had some  sleep on the plane, rare feast for me. It was also first time ever I flew JAL and must say their excellent reputation is fully deserved.

 

Summary of the trip  will come tomorrow

 

[bkkmfj2648]

8 minutes ago, vinapu said:

He was disappointed  when I told him I’m busy tonight and leave for good tomorrow. Who would not be , seeing ATM shaped as KFC man departing ?

Vinapu - you keep me in stitches - I can ALWAYS count on you to give me/us a good laugh.....

[vinapu]

5 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Vinapu - you keep me in stitches - I can ALWAYS count on you to give me/us a good laugh.....

Thank you , you have a good heart

 

Merry Christmas everybody !!!

[Jimbillp]

It is funny coincidence that your last night included A and the pinoy boy as I enjoyed their company last night.  Of course we remembered Vinapu as I had previously met A at the top of the big tower with you.  Perhaps knowing you are honorary patron of Thai happy bar restaurant A marched us there and ordered most of the seafood menu before I’d barely sat down! Then the host Joy declared her undying love for V by ordering a Singha on my tab and saying ‘on you’. Haha. All in great spirits.

A is actually very kind guy as he had taken the young non Thai speaking Pinoy under his wing.  I do recommend people visiting Moonlight to look for the Filipino. His English is excellent and he has super energy and personality.

I thought Moonlight show very samey and not enough spice.  For a long time my fav bar but losing allure. Although to counter that I found two great guys in the line up.

[vinapu]

40 minutes ago, Jimbillp said:

It is funny coincidence that your last night included A and the pinoy boy as I enjoyed their company last night.  Of course we remembered Vinapu as I had previously met A at the top of the big tower with you.  Perhaps knowing you are honorary patron of Thai happy bar restaurant A marched us there and ordered most of the seafood menu before I’d barely sat down! Then the host Joy declared her undying love for V by ordering a Singha on my tab and saying ‘on you’. Haha. All in great spirits.

A is actually very kind guy as he had taken the young non Thai speaking Pinoy under his wing.  I do recommend people visiting Moonlight to look for the Filipino. His English is excellent and he has super energy and personality.

I thought Moonlight show very samey and not enough spice.  For a long time my fav bar but losing allure. Although to counter that I found two great guys in the line up.

all I can say is that I'm jealous like hell and I wish I was there. Glad to hear you had good time . I had only occasion to talk to Pinoy guy , I think his nick is Carlos and I'm glad you are confirming what I noticed, handsome , energetic and talkative. 

Moonlight needs to do better job attracting new models as those there , while still attractive become stale for many client, at least for loyal sector. It would be nice to see newer faces and bulges. Fortunately floor or stage boys seem to include more fresher faces of which  Carlos is good example. Still after Tawan my 2nd most favorite bar in Bangkok and indeed in Thailand.  

[vinapu]

  

Summary

 Usually after such long trip I’m happy to go back home but somehow not this time. I could easily use 1-2 more weeks, perhaps because not all time was debauchery, in Cambodia only in the evening , in Laos only once. I liked my tourist program in both countries and hope to repeat it soon.  Surprisingly perhaps  guy I consider most memorable of the whole trip was one whom I did not even off, that hunk I met in Space Hair bar in PP. Perhaps that’s good  - reason to return there sooner the better.

I was thrilled to reunite with B from Tawan after I lost all hope I will see him ever again. A, V and X were perfect trio , each in own way but all three blended perfectly good looks with proper attitude and service avoiding drama , excessive compensation request and what it’s specially unnerving me , questions ‘ can I go now”.

Despite some troubles , after all those years dreaming about offing him I still enjoyed my time with HC and am glad I and my friend could help him in his hour of need, not only financial one. Another very memorable encounter was with P from HotMale  and he may remember me too as I have feeling I could be his fist customer in the business.

 Shining 8 days were when 18past19 and I were together in Bangkok , for half of this time even in the same hotel as we had fun talking , eating , boy hunting and gossiping about boys. Finally after all those years, almost 9,  I managed to meet bkkmfj, nothing beats finally meeting face behind the name. My apologies to aussie_ and gaybutton I did not even report I’m in Pattaya but my time there was short and bit busy.

 It was double and triple fun to chat, eat and drink with anddy, ChristianPFC, whom I met in 2 countries this trip , floridarob (another one I only met first time this trip managing initially mistake other bar patron for him ) , paulsf and  reader. Thank you for your time my forum friends .

My apologies to mamasan Lucy for tipping her only 50 baht , still 50 more than I originally intended.

I’m glad Madrid Tavern is keeping her standard in new location , not as remote as we expected, I was well fed all 4 times I was there with 18, anddy , Christian and HC.

 G’Bangkok remains my to go place whenever I miss Mom’s cooking but at end of day nothing beats Unesco designated World Heritage, 7.5 star Foodland Patpong for gourmet food, ambiance , friendly service and pricing and being meeting point available for us 8 days a week 25 hours a day.

 When comes to hotels I continue to be fan of both Raya and Furama Sathorn Exclusive. Sadly it look that this trip was at tail end of low hotel prices . For fun I checked yesterday  ones for mid January and it looks they went up 2-3 times , no more we have Tarntawan, Copa or Furama Silom for 20$. Market economy at work I guess.

 Senso after re-opening disappointed me a bit, Arena on another hand is still in the best form , I’d even say crew is better than last few times and they never slack on service or time.

 There were two  historical events this trip for me. First time ever I offed Jupiter guy and was very happy with experience to a point  when I met him night or two later on the street I wanted to take him off again but he was already booked.

 Another one was taxi trip to Pataya, both ways on both occasions. I always considered it waste of money, which I still do but on shorter trip , like mine this time , is quite effective and enjoyable waste. At 1200 it’s still almost 10 times bus fare but time saving is also substantial , half time spent on the road door to door. For 2 or 3 people it’s even more price friendly.

 There are also clouds on horizon, not sure is owing to my attitude , age , perceived stinginess or God knows what , certainly not lack of hygiene, but I had few times when boys did not want to go with me , at least initially or after 1^st encounter weren’t keen on repeat even if I was. Sore example  was Senso guy who took pains to avoid looking at me altogether next time I visited. Perhaps I should take more seriously my  own advice to hire only and exclusively guys who are smiling at me. That’s my New Year resolution, honestly.

 I’m not sad or upset , just curious. It’s even handed in a sense because it works both ways. There are guys who try to attract our attention and we, certainly me,  are trying to avoid their eyesight.   One thing is sure – that was my last trip to Thailand in 2022 as my passport expired and I’m waiting for new one.

[bkkmfj2648]

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

There are also clouds on horizon, not sure is owing to my attitude , age , perceived stinginess or God knows what , certainly not lack of hygiene, but I had few times when boys did not want to go with me , at least initially or after 1^st encounter weren’t keen on repeat even if I was. Sore example  was Senso guy who took pains to avoid looking at me altogether next time I visited. Perhaps I should take more seriously my  own advice to hire only and exclusively guys who are smiling at me. That’s my New Year resolution, honestly.

Oh Vinapu - I also recently had this dilemma here in Pattaya.  @spoon is a witness during his recently completed visit here.  We went together a couple of nights to X-Boys and we had GREAT times there.  It was their 13th anniversary and one of the nights it was full house with NO empty seats.  So, I get so goo-goo gaa-gaa for one of the X-Boys dancers.  I call him over to sit with us and we start caressing and kissing (I rarely kiss like that) each other in the bar on 2 distinct nights.  I made @spoon crazy by only talking about my X-Boy guy.  As I prefer afternoon or early evening in-home encounters I invited my X-Boy guy to my place.  Well, guess what - he is cold and not kissy or romantic at my place.  I am so confused - as he was the complete opposite in the X-Boy bar and even showing off when we were together to his other X-Boy colleagues.  One night after the bar closed - he asked me to stay and he danced on the stage pointing to me.  To this day, I cannot figure out what went wrong?  I have to admit - that with my clothes on I am a fairly good looking guy.  However, when I am naked I am less attractive (no gym and resulting belly) - so perhaps him seeing me naked put him off ?

So, even though he was smiling at me - like you write - something just did not work out when the big moment arrived in my place.  Did we have sex?  Yes.  Was it good?  Yes.  But, it was more cold and mechanical and was missing the "romantic" part that he displayed within the walls of his X-Boys bar.  Perhaps that is the way he fishes?  The temporary romance is part of the charm (bait) to capture his prey (fish)  ???

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

so, even though he was smiling at me - like you write - something just did not work out when the big moment arrived in my place........  But, it was more cold and mechanical and was missing the "romantic" part that he displayed within the walls of his X-Boys bar.  Perhaps that is the way he fishes?  The temporary romance is part of the charm (bait) to capture his prey (fish)  ???

most likely you are right , it mirrors my experience from one of last pre-covid trips with one of Nice Boys guys , almost word for word. 

I also thought it was his way of fishing clients. There's also possibility it was just not his day when you met him, we all have those

Best way is to chalk it off to experience , move on but warn others if possible.

Waiting for smile is not fool proof it seems but I'd say works 9 out of 10

[Londoner]

Transactional sex can be mysterious. Our mood and the way we communicate  can differ by the night, but that is also true of guys on the scene. I certainly remember occasions when I offed a smiling, seemingly enthusiastic guy from a bar and,  on the way back to the hotel, realised that It wasn't going to be good. It was like meeting two different guys.

Sometimes our style just doesn't work. For example, an old  expat friend, now sadly departed, on one of my early inexperienced trips raved about a particular guy and advised me to meet him.  I did and couldn't get any response him- he seemed uncomfortable. The assignation was my shortest ever!

What surprised  me was that I had seen my friend  be quite aggressive, even overwhelming with the guys while I'm a lot more gentle. I assumed that a guy would prefer my style. I was obviously completely wrong. It was long ago but it taught me something.....that the guys on the Pattaya scene, like us, are not all the same. And that also like us, their attitudes, wishes and preferences can vary even by the day.