What’s up with Failing Dictators?

[alvnv]

Why do anytime dictators are failing, they start pushing anti-gay agenda? Is it to distract their people, or to assert how macho they are?

Putin, yes that one - a run of the mill goblin and this century’s Russian dictator - in the midst of failing at the most recent war of his choice in the Ukraine, and allegedly shitting himself following a fall, found time to sign a new law aimed at preventing the spread of non-traditional lifestyle propaganda: https://www.aol.com/putin-continues-russian-culture-war-165906142.html

A bit ironic, isn’t it? The “partial” military draft he signed earlier this year has sent thousands of 18 to 45 year old Russian men abroad to avoid getting killed in Putin’s war. Reportedly, many have to resort to non-traditional means of supplementing their incomes.

[PeterRS]

Just look what happened in Indonesia yesterday. It is now illegal to have sex with any one other than your legal wife (which, being a Muslim country, means sex between legally married a man and a woman). The law applies not only to all Indonesians, all non-Indonesians not living in the country but also to all tourists! Even though the religion practised in Bali is based on Hinduism, the law applies there as well. So if any gay couples or pairs have plans to visit Indonesia, stay platonic because these crazies will certainly have  their own version of Iran's morality police. Penalties can include up to one year in prison.

Ironically Idonesia is not a dictatorship and its leadership seems not to be failing. It is, however, onbiously unable to fend of those determined to introduce more forms of sharia law similar to Aceh Province where it is the norm.

Since this is of interest to tourists, I am also posting part of this in the Gay Asia forum.

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, alvnv said:

Why do anytime dictators are failing, they start pushing anti-gay agenda? Is it to distract their people, 

 

yes , to distract their own people. It may work for short time, specially among rural population in certain countries

[vinapu]

26 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

 So if any gay couples or pairs have plans to visit Indonesia, stay platonic because these crazies will certainly have  their own version of Iran's morality police. Penalties can include up to one year in prison.

 

best course of action is  to spent pink dollar in more welcoming countries

[floridarob]

Will be 3 yrs to implement and will be challenged in the courts, there have already been protests in Jakarta.
Also,  because police will only investigate if a family member makes a complaint - such as a parent, spouse or child of the suspected offenders.

[Olddaddy]

13 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Just look what happened in Indonesia yesterday. It is now illegal to have sex with any one other than your legal wife (which, being a Muslim country, means sex between legally married a man and a woman). The law applies not only to all Indonesians, all non-Indonesians not living in the country but also to all tourists! Even though the religion practised in Bali is based on Hinduism, the law applies there as well. So if any gay couples or pairs have plans to visit Indonesia, stay platonic because these crazies will certainly have  their own version of Iran's morality police. Penalties can include up to one year in prison.

Ironically Idonesia is not a dictatorship and its leadership seems not to be failing. It is, however, onbiously unable to fend of those determined to introduce more forms of sharia law similar to Aceh Province where it is the norm.

Since this is of interest to tourists, I am also posting part of this in the Gay Asia forum.

It doesn't start until January 2025

[NIrishGuy]

17 hours ago, PeterRS said:

So if any gay couples or pairs have plans to visit Indonesia, stay platonic

If ANY gays, whether that be visitors or locals to Bali ( or both) pay the SLIGHTEST heed to this silly law I'll be more than AMAZED  / sadly disappointed as to what that means us gays have become.

We've been fucking, literally all around the world, for YEARS already and that when it's been illegal and punishable by death no less!  So I really doubt if yet "another" silly law saying we cant fuck around is going to make the slightest bit of difference to any of us !  

[xpaulo]

18 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Ironically Idonesia is not a dictatorship

It's basically what's happening in the U.S.. Americans can weigh in here if they disagree. What we see in Canada is our media's portrayal of a dysfunctional mess in America with Fascists/Christians gaining influence. The recent midterms may indicate that the mass of un-engaged voters may be getting engaged again after the Roe vs Wade ruling. But the Democrats have to do a much better job of giving Americans hope they can and will be worthy of their support. Maybe Pelosi finally moving on will help, but I'm skeptical. Canada is in a similar situation with all three main party leaders unpopular. They've become caricatures, basically just cardboard cutouts of their real selves spouting whatever nonsense they think will get votes. So far at least in Canada religion has not become a big part of the process, which as a gay person is encouraging, although some are trying to revive a Christian based hate-on for trans/gay/lesbian imported from the U.S..

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, NIrishGuy said:

.......  So I really doubt if yet "another" silly law saying we cant fuck around is going to make the slightest bit of difference to any of us !  

for us not, but for our local partners ? after all we go home and they stay and risk stays with them.

But I agree , Indonesian law is sill and likely  not enforceable but still can be used as a whip in some cases.

[Mavica]

2 hours ago, xpaulo said:

It's basically what's happening in the U.S.. Americans can weigh in here if they disagree. What we see in Canada is our media's portrayal of a dysfunctional mess in America with Fascists/Christians gaining influence. The recent midterms may indicate that the mass of un-engaged voters may be getting engaged again after the Roe vs Wade ruling. But the Democrats have to do a much better job of giving Americans hope they can and will be worthy of their support. Maybe Pelosi finally moving on will help, but I'm skeptical. Canada is in a similar situation with all three main party leaders unpopular. They've become caricatures, basically just cardboard cutouts of their real selves spouting whatever nonsense they think will get votes. So far at least in Canada religion has not become a big part of the process, which as a gay person is encouraging, although some are trying to revive a Christian based hate-on for trans/gay/lesbian imported from the U.S..

Much has been written about far right extremist groups in Canada, searchable on Google, etc.  The comment about Pelosi comes off as silly, uninformed IMO.  About voter engagement:  statistics I read illustrate a higher percentage of registered voters in the USA turn out to vote than registered voters in Canada.  Seems to be Canadians are disengaged to a greater degree.  Then again, I think Canadians tend to think they are superior to so many residents of other countries ... and it's often laughable.

[xpaulo]

35 minutes ago, Mavica said:

Canadians tend to think they are superior to so many residents of other countries

We do, and we laugh at ourselves for it.

[floridarob]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

But I agree , Indonesian law is sill and likely  not enforceable but still can be used as a whip in some cases.

The general consensus online is that it will just be another tool for the police to extort money from people....

[bkkmfj2648]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:34 AM, PeterRS said:

It is now illegal to have sex with any one other than your legal wife (which, being a Muslim country, means sex between legally married a man and a woman). The law applies not only to all Indonesians, all non-Indonesians not living in the country but also to all tourists!

 

On 12/7/2022 at 10:43 AM, floridarob said:

police will only investigate if a family member makes a complaint - such as a parent, spouse or child of the suspected offenders.

What could happen in this hypothetical situation.

You bring back to your room a HOT Indonesian heterosexual married male.  Next day, anyone from his family (parent, spouse, or child) makes a complaint with the police that he had sex (with you) with someone other than his legal wife.

Are you (the foreign tourist) arrested and subject to this new law ?

[floridarob]

10 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Are you (the foreign tourist) arrested and subject to this new law ?

According to the law, yes....but the situation you mention is unlikely, in my experience.