Paris 2022

[young11]

Ok it seems like I will have a few trips to Paris and I might go there regularly. I am looking for someone who is a good kisser and muscular, under 30yo. Ideally hourly rate would be 100e. Any recs? Also I tend to like guys who are not well known and discreet but with a good attitude. You can message me privately if that makes you comfortable 

[msclelovr]

I salute your optimism @young11 but I feel you will have to increase your budget. An attractive, fit young man, such as you desire, may well charge 2-3x your suggested rate. 

[young11]

thanks, I don't know the rates in Paris but I can get those guys for 100e in most of europe, except for maybe London, nordic countries & Switzerland. So I am not in a rush to hire someone in Paris for 2 or 3 times more if the rates are so high. This forum is usually very knowledgeable and resourceful so I just asked in case someone has a lead 

[scott456]

Really? most of the Europe except London, nordic countries & Switzerland? For muscular, good looking under 30y.o.?  Please do tell, I would love to know. And yes, this board is very resourceful.

[msclelovr]

7 hours ago, young11 said:

I can get those guys for 100e in most of europe, except for maybe London, nordic countries & Switzerland.

Good for you @young11 but I’m surprised. Unless you’re talking about street cruising or guys off an app and offering ‘amateurs’ that for a quickie?

I do believe that you can be successful and pay so little if you yourself are handsome, muscled and young?

I definitely am not now. Years ago I was considered handsome and attractive, and then I had lots of fun with handsome, muscled young Slovaks…but the smart ones all moved to London to gain the high rates of pay. 

Rates may still be low in certain parts of Eastern Europe. That scenario is very different to what prevails in major European cities. And I feel that somehow the best looking men from poor countries end up working in high-paying areas. 

[Riobard]

I wouldn’t ask for a lead here on a 500 Euro guy because I wouldn’t expect a promising response. By extension, requesting a solid lead for a bargain basement discount would be akin to Jodie Foster anxiously aiming her regulation pistol aimlessly in Silence of the Lambs. 

[young11]

9 hours ago, msclelovr said:

Good for you @young11 but I’m surprised. Unless you’re talking about street cruising or guys off an app and offering ‘amateurs’ that for a quickie?

I do believe that you can be successful and pay so little if you yourself are handsome, muscled and young?

Well it depends on who and where. I never hire porn stars for sure. Actually I don't watch porn so I don't know who is a porn star and who is not. One time a provider said he was famous after we had sex and when I Googled him, he indeed played in some porns. Another incident was someone who couldn't get hard to top me so I topped him. He was a porn star too but I don't think I would ever hire him again. I don't think porn stars deliver better than an average provider with a good attitude.

I usually go for guys that are not too professional but has a good attitude toward this sort of job, ideally he enjoys sex more than being famous or being rich But they are certainly not street beggers or a quickie. Maybe my word muscular led to a wrong impression, I am not looking for body builders but I like guys who go to gym and have a proportional body (no chicken legs or hulks, though). And I never had a difficulty hiring with 100e in most European countries so I started wondering what you guys are doing or how much you are paying. I really thought the going rate in Europe is 100e except for those countries I mentioned...I never reveal information about me, I just contact them via WhatsApp and ask their rates and I was quoted 100 in most of the time but sometimes 120 or 150 but usually they just go back to 100e rather quickly if you refuse them. Unless I really want this particular provider, I never hire someone who lowered his rates because I think they will provide less. So I just say thank you and leave him alone. 

Also, I don't hire from rentmen or us based websites. If you contact them from their they usually quote 200 or more. Maybe this is why you guys are surprised but in Europe I use hunqz most of the time. Search according to my specifications and check their rate or contact them on WhatsApp and ask for their rates. Again I usually get 100e even when they don't know a thing about me...

Rate wise, anything east of Austria is usually less than 100e, the west of Austria is slightly variable. I always find Spain to be particularly cheap, even the top escorts quote 100e, or even less for 30min. Portugal is another less known place for a low rate in my opinion but I stopped going there for job reasons. I even got 50 multiple times and one of them was really good. I hired him quite a few times when I used to go to Portugal. Of course the best place is thermas in Barcelona and even then when I hire them outside they usually quote me 100e. Some asked for 150 but they were well known guys like Junior. I like him and respect how he runs his business (affirmative and always consistent unlike many small minded providers who constantly change their rate and play games) so he was always an exception. But I am also not very demanding in terms of sex. No fetish no bb. I just require the guy to be able to get hard and kiss with tongue. So that could be the reason why they always quoted 100 for me and was always willing to meet with me outside of the sauna. 

 

[forrestreid]

I found that in September in Athens the going rate for guys on Hunqz was €100 an hour. The guys I asked were not particularly muscular, but were good-looking native Greek guys with at least ten positive reviews.

[scott456]

5 hours ago, young11 said:

。。。 But I am also not very demanding in terms of sex. No fetish no bb. I just require the guy to be able to get hard and kiss with tongue. So that could be the reason why they always quoted 100 for me and was always willing to meet with me outside of the sauna. 

 

I think this is the key for your 100 euros price. I bet none of them would cum for this price.  That's my experience at the therma in Barcelona， they just lay there with semi-erected cocks, let you fondle them for 20-30 minutes, and they do accept any price offer for that, yes, even 50 euros with those not so attractive guys.

[msclelovr]

13 hours ago, young11 said:

I don't think porn stars deliver better than an average provider with a good attitude.

Agreed.

13 hours ago, young11 said:

I am not looking for body builders but I like guys who go to gym and have a proportional body (no chicken legs or hulks, though).

Exactly the same for me.

 

13 hours ago, young11 said:

always find Spain to be particularly cheap, even the top escorts quote 100e, or even less for 30min.

That explains your budget. I only ever had longer sessions: initially a date of 2-3 hours with a hot, muscled young man, before having him stay for an overnight.

[young11]

On 11/9/2022 at 12:02 AM, scott456 said:

I think this is the key for your 100 euros price. I bet none of them would cum for this price.  That's my experience at the therma in Barcelona， they just lay there with semi-erected cocks, let you fondle them for 20-30 minutes, and they do accept any price offer for that, yes, even 50 euros with those not so attractive guys.

well, my experience with guys in thermas was quite different. Of course it depends on the guy but most guys there are actually willing to do more than what you described. I thought it was latin thing, always willing to satisfy and is horny all the time lol Anyway, Thermas is different, for 50e in Thermas you cannot ask for cum, it is the agreed rule in sauna, so I don't expect them to cum. And for any sauna or even hiring top escorts outside for 300e, I know some escorts do not get hard so it is not a thermas problem. But in thermas, you can check that before going into cabin so lower risk of that in saunas in my opinion. Outside of thermas they do cum for 100e, and I was not talking about paying 100e for thermas. I use thermas to test the water and find a guy who is a good match with me for 50e, so I hire them outside if we click. Not just thermas guys but in general almost all of my hires were expected to cum and do so for 100e if that is the agreed rate before the meeting. While I agree that the quality of guys has diminished at Thermas after the pandemic, there are some good looking guys there on certain days. Maybe you are not familiar with thermas but for example, guys like Junior ask for 150e outside of sauna, yet they come to sauna as well. It is weird and I never understood but I guess you can meet multiple clients within a few hours in Thermas but you waste so much time outside to get a client in Barcelona. 

Anyway, I am not here to defend myself and if you don't like what I asked or wrote, you can just pass it. There is no point of trying to look down on me, just because I hire some people for less than you do. You don't seem to know much about Thermas and it sounds like you are trying to twist it to make your point. I only try to contribute to this forum as I did get a lot of valuable information from other members here in the past. I wrote this reply to clarify your idea about thermas just in case you didn't know about it in a good faith, otherwise you can ignore what i wrote if the information was not helpful for you. 

[young11]

On 11/8/2022 at 11:32 PM, forrestreid said:

I found that in September in Athens the going rate for guys on Hunqz was €100 an hour. The guys I asked were not particularly muscular, but were good-looking native Greek guys with at least ten positive reviews.

Never been to Athens but I hear it is another competitive market with loads of guys in need of some cash. I have met some Greek guys in Barcelona though, had really nice experience, also for 100e 🤣 I actually paid 150e for mfm with the one guy, that is how we met (and I hired him alone twice afterwards but alone was not as fun as mfm) and it was one of my best experiences in hiring so far. My understanding was that he was into mfm and liked showing off, so he hired a girl for 100e and got only 50e from me. We visited the girl's venue together. It was a weird setting but was so much fun and we did it couple of times with different girls he would find and sort things out. He had a really nice body like greek gods and I still vividly remember his body and movements haha Unfortunately, after the covid, his body was not as good as body so I stopped contacting him when I visit Barcelona.

[young11]

17 hours ago, msclelovr said:

Agreed.

Exactly the same for me.

 

That explains your budget. I only ever had longer sessions: initially a date of 2-3 hours with a hot, muscled young man, before having him stay for an overnight.

i thought we are talking about the hourly rate as providers quote only hourly rates...But I tend to hire for an hour usually because I don't enjoy the talk afterward with many providers. With only a few providers did I enjoy the convo afterwards. But if you are hiring someone for 2-3hs with 200-300e, that is similar to 100e for an hour. Actually, they charge higher for a single hour and give discounts for multiple hours of hiring. 

[msclelovr]

On 11/10/2022 at 1:52 AM, young11 said:

if you are hiring someone for 2-3hs with 200-300e, that is similar to 100e for an hour

I’m very particular. The nice guys I hired all had ‘model good looks’ (handsome faces and athletic, muscled bodies) and were skilled lovers (cocksuckers and good bottoms). 

This was in 1999-2005. The rate then (in major cities in Western Europe) was commonly €130-150 but a few asked €180-200 per hour. 

Yes, the nice guys I hired offered discounts for multiple hours. For overnight dates, the common rate then was €450. 

 

[Guest]

On 11/9/2022 at 8:38 PM, young11 said:

While I agree that the quality of guys has diminished at Thermas after the pandemic, there are some good looking guys there on certain days

totally disagree with this - I was at Thermas at least 12 times between July & October, both on busy nights and slow nights. I think the guys are much hotter & plentiful than pre-Covid.  Depends on your taste of course - but now seems to be weighted to way more Brazilians, Cubans & Venezuelan with almost no Eastern Europeans or others.  I do not remember the kind of crowds & quality of guys I see at Thermas now vs pre-Covid….no comparison. 

[young11]

8 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

totally disagree with this - I was at Thermas at least 12 times between July & October, both on busy nights and slow nights. I think the guys are much hotter & plentiful than pre-Covid.  Depends on your taste of course - but now seems to be weighted to way more Brazilians, Cubans & Venezuelan with almost no Eastern Europeans or others.  I do not remember the kind of crowds & quality of guys I see at Thermas now vs pre-Covid….no comparison. 

that is good to hear. What type of guys do you like? I haven't been to Thermas 12 times after covid but mostly last year and earlier this year and once in September. There was a big lag in the middle because of monkey pox. I just avoided saunas because I had a lot of family visits so I didn't wanna risk myself. So my impression could be just due to the early times when it opened. 

[Riobard]

I think it’s seasonal migration and that much familiar Brazilian trade’s social media depicts their travel to Europe in summer (their winter). I thought that Thermas sucked for what I like, May 2019 and May 2022. So the temporal window may be key. This year a few rolled in final day. In mid-20teens more thrilling but I cannot recall the months. But then I find it hard to judge based on others’ impressions and I see peers there hiring 6 tricks of an evening, on consecutive nights, providers that wouldn’t interest me even if free. In May I hired from Hunqz, separately, a Rio circuit stripper and a former Theatron Pelicula gogo peeler, necessary to supplement the disappointing Thermas inventory. One of the two cross-affiliated to Thermas and I hired him to mercilessly screw a Colombian power-bottom there … who should have paid me for the treat! assuming his arousal was more than performative. Naturally I compensated them both for the show. Again, as my stay was winding down.

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, young11 said:

What type of guys do you like

i tend to like the Brazilians - it’s a cultural preference, not based on ethnicity. So, skin color makes no difference.  For me, the Brazilians tend to be friendlier and perform better: they do what they say they will do.  And I don’t care about muscular bodies, although there were many on display last summer.  

My theory about Thermas post-Covid is that the economic conditions are worse in many of the guys home countries and more are going abroad to work.  With lack of proper documents to work in EU, more show up to work a venue like Thermas or on the apps.
And the Spanish economy isn’t great either, so that makes finding off-the-book work that much more difficult.

There also now seems to be a pattern of working guys coming into EU for 90 days, then going to UK & vice-versa.  

In my first visits this summer to Thermas, I was totally freaked-out about Covid & Mpox…even though I’m completely vaxxd for all of it with up to date boosters. In the later visits, the anxiety had worn-off and it was more like how I remember pre-Covid.

Thermas has very defined days & hours (by the majority of the boys) when it will be very busy and the slower nights. Many just will not go there on Monday, Tuesday or Thursday because they think it’s beneath their status in the sauna.  There is definitely a pecking order among the boys and it’s kind of fun to watch how it works.  

 

[young11]

I agree with you about Brazilians, more broadly Latinos. They tend to work hard to satisfy you, that's why I like hiring them. But also they tend to be good kissers and usually good in bed too. Recently I hired a British guy because he was very hot but performance was really underwhelming, not a good kisser, very friendly but I felt like he is just doing the job more robotic way, not passionately but I guess everyone is different. I am so used to Brazilians that I completely forgot there are guys like him 😂

I also agree that thermas has timings so I also avoid certain days but I am also a bit particular about muscled body so maybe that is why. But I didn't notice the pecking order you mentioned haha I certainly noticed that the regular guys tend to walk around like they own the place but didn't think much about their interactions. I do know that they talk a lot about clients...

Anyways going back to Paris, so no recs? At least I wanna try some sensual massages as I really enjoy nude massages. Any leads there as well?

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, young11 said:

Anyways going back to Paris, so no recs?

If I was visiting Paris, I’d stick to Rentmen - that’s the only site with some sort of reputable reviews. There are many well reviewed guys there.

As others have noted, I’d expect Paris prices to be much more than Spain & equal to NYC/London w best providers asking 250-300euros. You can definitely find cheaper I’m sure….I’d rather pay more and be assured I’m getting a known person.  Everyone has their own standards and risk tolerance for unknown people. 

[dscrtsldnbi]

In my experience, London, Paris, Brussels are at about £200 (€200-250)/job level now. Sessions are not expected to be less than 1 - 1 1/2 h long and more than 2 - 2 1/2 h long, standard services. Some providers do give discounts to regular clients but even then the prices are never less than €180/job. Personally, if anyone in London, Paris or Brussles offers me his services for less than €180 and I am not his regular, I'd be very wary: it could be a sign of desperation, which could be drug-addiction-related. Presumably, quicker services are priced differently (i.e. brief encounters of less than 1h) but I have never partaken so I cannot possibly comment.

[young11]

23 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

If I was visiting Paris, I’d stick to Rentmen - that’s the only site with some sort of reputable reviews. There are many well reviewed guys there.

As others have noted, I’d expect Paris prices to be much more than Spain & equal to NYC/London w best providers asking 250-300euros. You can definitely find cheaper I’m sure….I’d rather pay more and be assured I’m getting a known person.  Everyone has their own standards and risk tolerance for unknown people. 

thanks for the info. But are the reviews on rentmen reliable? I think the escorts can block people so that they don't leave reviews and i am not sure if escorts can delete the reviews after it was given. Also isn't there a requirement to have rentmen chat confirmation to leave review etc? I have heard the reviews there are not very useful. I also know the reviews on hunqz are just compeletely useless because escorts delete all the negative ones...

[Guest]

11 hours ago, young11 said:

are the reviews on rentmen reliable? I think the escorts can block people so that they don't leave reviews and i am not sure if escorts can delete the reviews after it was given. Also isn't there a requirement to have rentmen chat confirmation to leave review etc? I have heard the reviews there are not very useful

as I said, RM has the best review system among the apps, although not without their own quirks & issues. I’ve hired many guys from there, always with at least 5 positive reviews and never been disappointed- i usually choose guys with many more reviews than 5 tho. And I never hire if there are more than 2 negative reviews or if those negative reviews are very recent.  I’ve had reviews rejected because RM could not document a conversation took place within their platform, which is not but perfect seems fair because then anyone could post negative things about any worker. As far as I know, a worker cannot block a negative review if the admin can ascertain a conversation occurred and meeting ensued.  More than anything else - the reviews tend to show patterns, either good or bad. In Europe, reviews are allowed to show additional comments/narrative by reviewer while in the US it is limited to just answering 4 specific questions. Many of the guys have 50/100/150 positive reviews so that provides a level of comfort that the experience will be as advertised, the person is professional and I won’t get robbed as this is a known person.  Hiring unknown or unverifiable people in this game is extremely risky IMO and too much potential downside, so I’d just rather pay more in a city like Paris.  In Barcelona, Zurich, Rio or São Paulo - then the saunas are my first choice to find talent and take them elsewhere.  I adjust my methods to the city I’m in based on the options available and proceed accordingly. Another method is to hire someone from another online source without the reviews if you can verify them by OnlyFans, Twitter or IG with substantial followings. OnlyFans is my best way to verify as I can see exactly what they do sexually and get a sense of the person.  Many ways to play the game smart & safe, just don’t hire someone to come into your personal space with no verification.  And yes, prices that are far below market rates are a big red flag, usually means desperation by someone who is not stable, homeless and/or drug use.
It does not appear RM escorts can delete negative reviews because there are many negative reviews in various profiles.  As I said - it tends to be a pattern.  It’s also fair to ask an escort about the negative reviews and see what they say - everyone can have a bad day here or there and similarly they can have an unreasonable client that leaves a bad review. Best way is to hire someone with many reviews and analyze them in total and how recent.  It’s really easy and doesn’t take a lot of time - totally worth it to get what you want the first time and to stay safe.
I’ve been playing this game a very long time and my hunting ground has been primarily within US and RM my preferred source….literally hundreds of hires without a disappointment I can remember.  My source used to be Rentboy before it got shutdown & was basically same type model as I recall. 

[dscrtsldnbi]

I can only second Slvkguy's excellent summary. I've been using RM (and Renboy while it was still alive) for many years and exactly as @Slvkguy describes, had dozens (hundreds?) of hires and - mercifully - have never had a (major) disappointment. Romeo could also be a very useful resource though their reviews are much less robust and are open to abuse by both sides (i.e. fake positive reviews, even from blue-ticked profiles, orchestrated by a particular provider or a targeted discreditation campaign against a particular provider organised by some unscrupulous competitor of his or an unstable client with a grievance). With enough experience of reading reviews, one does read between the lines though and normally can distinguish genuine ones. And indeed, there always tend to be a pattern, as far as reviews are concerned. I'll never engage a provider whose profile is recent, who has few reviews or whose reviews seem to be scarce in detail, poorly articulated and copy-pasted.

[davet]

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