Jomtien complex

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, pong2 said:

Wow-do you still have one? 

I do and actually at times find it very useful like quite a few things from undeveloped past. I always know where candle in home is, just in case

[PeterRS]

15 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

Where the religious element comes in is from the fact that Christianity is the cultural foundation for European societies. One distinguishing feature about Christianity (and Islam, as you have alluded to) is its great discomfort with sex. In addition, Islam has a great discomfort with display of skin - but that's a separate conversation. Although during the last 100 years or so, European societies have become sexually liberated, it's a recent phenomenon when considered in relation to the centuries of history that has formed attitudes that remain under the surface (among certain sections of society today) despite any new liberalism.

Fascinating post! I agree with @macaroni21 that it is less to do with Asian religions as it is to the influence -the negative influence - of western religions. The fact is that most countries in Asia had a remarkable tolerance towards sex and sexuality compared to the west. I have referred before to the book by Dominique Fernandez A Hidden Love: Art and Homosexuality. In the section dealing with Asia he makes it clear - as do other writers - that homosexuality was far from uncommon amongst the Chinese Emperors. He maintains that China had "a glorious erotic culture, largely but by no means exclusively heterosexual." 

Some readers will have heard of the Long Yang clubs where gay men can meet and mingle. I remember attending one meeting in Bangkok in the mid-1990s which was held in an apartment on Soi Sribumphen not far from the Malaysia Hotel. Long Yang was a courtier in the 4th century BC allegedly with special skills that endeared him to the Emperor. Another Emperor Wu Ti around 100 BC surrounded himself with boys as well as women as his concubines and is even known to have engaged in occasional menages a trois with two of his favourite boys. Best known perhaps is the tale of the Han Dynasty Emperor Ai Ti a century later who had numerous male lovers. Sharing his counch with his favourite Dong Xian, the young man fell asleep across the Emperor's sleeve.  Rather than awaken him, the Emperor merely took his sword and cut off the sleeve. Even today, "cut sleeve" (黄九郎) is a commonly used euphemism for homosexual love. As late as the 18th century, the book Passions of the Cut Sleeve recounts 50 of the most famous cases of male love throughout Chinese history.

From China, a bonze took this love and caring for younger boys to his native Japan around 800CE where it soon became the custom. During the three great dynasties in Korean history, homosexuality was never far from the ruling Courts. King Hyegong kept a group of elite warriors known for their homoeroticism and femininity called the "Flower Boys". When King Gongmin's wife died, he created a new Ministry whose sole duty was to roam the Kingdom and seek out beautiful young men to serve at Court. His sexual partners were called "little brother attendants."

Even in South East Asia where Islam had taken hold after many centuries of Hinduism, sex was still  regarded as a healthier outlet than it seems to be today, unless it is now almost exlcusively for procreation. Yet I found it interesting in Iran 4 years ago that my guide, a tall, good looking 40ish man, had a regular hooker in every town we visited.

If there was one Asian influence that helped reduce the degree of homosexuality it was Confucianism with its strong emphasis on family. The main driving force historically, though, was surely the European colonial powers. Not the traders. It was the missionaries who followed closely in their wake who then caused havoc with societal norms up till then. In China the Taiping Rebellion effectvely became a civil war between about 1850 to 64. Fed with the all the bs in the religious pamphlets being spread by the missionaires, Hong Xiuquan believed he was the brother of Jesus Christ and amassed a large number of followers. The civil war which erupted killed 20 million, a huge massacre and one of the bloodiest in history, before it was finally put down.

In Japan, it was the American missionaries who followed Commander Perry who forced the shoguns out and Japan to open up. But only to open up to western religious ideals at the expense of many centuries-old Japanese customs. It is thanks to the American influence after WWII that Japanese pornography to this day uses pixillation.

Finally in Thailand. In the 1880s, one American visiter was so shocked by the nudity of the population that he remarked, "Not until Thailand is clothed need she expect a place among the respectable, civilized nations." Even though Thailand is one of the few nations never to have been colonised, the forces of democracy in the 1930s saw to it that attitudes gradually changed to fall much more in line with western thinking. The west has a great deal to answer for!

[maump]

 

On 10/18/2022 at 11:52 PM, bkkmfj2648 said:

Last night in the Jomtien Supertown Complex - I encountered many Russian guys.

What is notable is that they are much younger than us retirees  :>))

Are they available for hire?  or competition?   I hired one in 2016....  good body, ok, cock.  good kisser.

[bkkmfj2648]

1 minute ago, maump said:

Are they available for hire?  or competition?   I hired one in 2016....  good body, ok, cock.  good kisser.

Honestly, I do not know.

From how they act at the Dongtan gay beach and in the Jomtien Supertown Complex - I would argue that they are competition.

 

[maump]

37 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Honestly, I do not know.

From how they act at the Dongtan gay beach and in the Jomtien Supertown Complex - I would argue that they are competition.

 

I guess it is only the rich ones then....  unlike the hot Ukrainian described by a fellow traveler in a Thailand trip report (I forget who/where in the system) who needed the money.  oh to be young dumb, and full of cum...

[BiggusDikkus]

On 10/23/2022 at 1:19 PM, PeterRS said:

Fascinating post!

Indeed! I really loved reading your post! When you start your Substack column, please let me know. I'll definitely subscribe. These tellings of gay history are hard to come by. 

[iendo]

On 10/25/2022 at 4:17 AM, bkkmfj2648 said:

Honestly, I do not know.

From how they act at the Dongtan gay beach and in the Jomtien Supertown Complex - I would argue that they are competition.

 

Unlike the Ukrainians, the Russians have no chance in countries where they can get government support. In Turkey, Serbia and of course Thailand they are on their own. I read on Wikipedia that around 900,000 of them fled so far this year. It is hard to imagine that they all have bank accounts that would support them for longer periods.

I would not be surprised that there is an influx of boys for pay in most of the countries where Russians have fled to.

 

[bkkmfj2648]

2 hours ago, iendo said:

Unlike the Ukrainians, the Russians have no chance in countries where they can get government support. In Turkey, Serbia and of course Thailand they are on their own. I read on Wikipedia that around 900,000 of them fled so far this year. It is hard to imagine that they all have bank accounts that would support them for longer periods.

I would not be surprised that there is an influx of boys for pay in most of the countries where Russians have fled to.

Well there are many of them here in Jomtien and I see no "for pay" activity originating from them here.

[Boy69]

2 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Well there are many of them here in Jomtien and I see no "for pay" activity originating from them here.

Once the money run out you will see plenty 'for pay' activity.