Olddaddy Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 I had this feeling all the Farang business got together to set a price minimum for drinks as they seem to be all the same price. Quote
vinapu Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Olddaddy said: I had this feeling all the Farang business got together to set a price minimum for drinks as they seem to be all the same price. It makes sense, now they can compete on offer and service Quote
Olddaddy Posted October 16, 2022 Author Posted October 16, 2022 Maybe but not same in places like SOI bukhao who it's like dog eat Dog undercutting each other Quote
Aux1010 Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Olddaddy said: I had this feeling all the Farang business got together to set a price minimum for drinks as they seem to be all the same price. What is the average drink price in the Complex now? Can anyone confirm / update if Doug (previous owner of Toolbox Bar in Phnom Penh....my favourite bar ANYWHERE lol), ended up opening a bar in the Complex? A few of the boys I keep in contact with who used to work at Toolbox say he has, but are unsure of the bar name. But have also heard on one of the boards (can't remember if it was this one or another) that was incorrect. Quote
Boy69 Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Olddaddy said: I had this feeling all the Farang business got together to set a price minimum for drinks as they seem to be all the same price. Maybe so but still it's cheaper than Boyz Town and more lively , by the way most of the bars there are not profitable and the farang owners are doing it as hobby. Quote
Olddaddy Posted October 16, 2022 Author Posted October 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, Boy69 said: Maybe so but still it's cheaper than Boyz Town and more lively , by the way most of the bars there are not profitable and the farang owners are doing it as hobby. I don't know about profit but one owner told me a bar there sold recently for 3 million baht 😳😳😳😳 Quote
floridarob Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Aux1010 said: Can anyone confirm / update if Doug (previous owner of Toolbox Bar in Phnom Penh....my favourite bar ANYWHERE lol), ended up opening a bar in the Complex? Not yet....he was sitting in @home bar the other night. I asked what the plans were, don't remember the reply, It was late and I was drinking 🙄 Quote
gayinpattaya Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Aux1010 said: What is the average drink price in the Complex now? Can anyone confirm / update if Doug (previous owner of Toolbox Bar in Phnom Penh....my favourite bar ANYWHERE lol), ended up opening a bar in the Complex? A few of the boys I keep in contact with who used to work at Toolbox say he has, but are unsure of the bar name. But have also heard on one of the boards (can't remember if it was this one or another) that was incorrect. Doug is yet to make a move on a new bar. Many of us are praying he does something soon. The complex needs something new. The old formula is failing. As for drink price fixing. Yes, one farang bar owner tried to fix drink prices at 100 baht / beer. Some bars went along with it, others didn't. Complex prices are getting stupid, when you can walk 20 meters to one of the newer "pop up" bars and pay 30 - 40% less for drinks. Greed will be many bars downfall. aussie_ and Aux1010 1 1 Quote
gayinpattaya Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Olddaddy said: I don't know about profit but one owner told me a bar there sold recently for 3 million baht 😳😳😳😳 I know 2 bars for sale for 5 million. One building recently sold for 12 million, and a bar (just the business and lease) recently sold for 2 million. Quote
vinapu Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 A long as off fees and expected tips stay the same I'd let those rich bar owners have their fun. Olddaddy, Boy69 and BL8gPt 3 Quote
gayinpattaya Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, vinapu said: A long as off fees and expected tips stay the same I'd let those rich bar owners have their fun. Dragon has increased off fees (I heard 400) and expected tips. Divirium minimum tip is 1500. Times are changing. Quote
Olddaddy Posted October 16, 2022 Author Posted October 16, 2022 3 hours ago, floridarob said: Not yet....he was sitting in @home bar the other night. I asked what the plans were, don't remember the reply, It was late and I was drinking 🙄 What happened to the toolbox bar in PP? Quote
gayinpattaya Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, Olddaddy said: What happened to the toolbox bar in PP? Ask the guy who doesn't remember? Chinese. That's what happened. The whole street is being knocked down for more Chinese construction. The landlord of Toolbox wouldn't renew the lease. Toolbox survived COVID.. but It couldn't survive gentrification. vinapu 1 Quote
gayinpattaya Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 Probably worth mentioning that 4-6 boys from Toolbox are in Jomtien Complex now. A couple at @home bar. 69 Bar. They are on another level of sexy. BL8gPt 1 Quote
vinapu Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, gayinpattaya said: Dragon has increased off fees (I heard 400) and expected tips. Divirium minimum tip is 1500. Times are changing. Is Complex trying to chase Bangkok on prices ? Quote
gayinpattaya Posted October 16, 2022 Posted October 16, 2022 35 minutes ago, vinapu said: Is Complex trying to chase Bangkok on prices ? I don't think they are trying to do anything more than increase their profit margins. Bribes are up, rents are going up. While it might sound insensitive, nobody running a bar in Jomtien Complex comes from a business background. I know of a truck driver, a janitor, ect ect. This may be changing with the new JEWEL bar. Or maybe he will just leave it to his boy to turn into another Asian party bar. Every new bar copies the bar next door. There is not new ideas. No ingenuity. Same shit uncomfortable furniture. Same overprices warm beer. Same fake liquor (spirits). More disinterested boys because the bar owners don't pay them a salary and expect them to work for free. Hopefully things will change. My hopes are on a Toolbox 2.0! PeterRS, floridarob, aussie_ and 1 other 4 Quote
Popular Post PeterRS Posted October 17, 2022 Popular Post Posted October 17, 2022 5 hours ago, gayinpattaya said: Every new bar copies the bar next door. There is not new ideas. No ingenuity. Same shit uncomfortable furniture. Same overprices warm beer. I haven't been to Jomtien Complex for years but isn't this the problem with most gay bars in Thailand? Most merely copy what is lready being done. Occasionally there are some who try to break the mould. X-treme in Soi Twilight 20 years or so ago - died in a couple of years having lost money. Classic Boys also in Twilight introduced the water show. But the water got so dirty and the water show itself plain boring that it reverted to type. Happy Boys just outside the Sunee complex was fun for those who liked thinks - but died. Krazy Dragon in Sunee. Good idea, badly planned, died. Almost the only one that was different was Eros which had a good run for its money. As has been written several times over almost 2 decades in this and other forums there is surely another reason for bars not mkaing profits. The fun element has largely disappeared. Anyone looking for a model which worked brilliantly need look no further than Barbiery on Sukhumvit. Of course it was a gogo bar and not a beer bar, but it got the formula absolutely right - location, boys, pricing, shows. For its first 15 years it could hardly put a foot wrong. Totally packed every week-end and often pretty much so during weekdays. Then it took a nosedive after it moved into the new building opposite Nature Boys. Totally changed the concept and it died after little more than a year. If an owner has no interest I don't see how anything is going to change. There were no such things as mobile phones 25 years ago and the boys always seemed much friendlier. If I owned a bar the first thing I would do is ban the boys from using phones when working. But then i suppose the bar would have no boys!! GWMinUS, Londoner, BL8gPt and 4 others 7 Quote
Olddaddy Posted October 17, 2022 Author Posted October 17, 2022 10 hours ago, vinapu said: Is Complex trying to chase Bangkok on prices ? I guess the "high season" is coming up Quote
Olddaddy Posted October 17, 2022 Author Posted October 17, 2022 I didn't go to many bars when I was there in July . I think most popular are the Scottish guys bar ,I didn't go there though as it seemed crowded and as i don't like people I avoid busy bars . Quote
Patanawet Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/16/2022 at 2:02 PM, Olddaddy said: I had this feeling all the Farang business got together to set a price minimum for drinks as they seem to be all the same price. Isn't that called a cartel? Olddaddy 1 Quote
iendo Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/16/2022 at 9:02 AM, Olddaddy said: I had this feeling all the Farang business got together to set a price minimum for drinks as they seem to be all the same price. I was hoping to read the actual prices in the thread but they are not mentioned. I'm ready to be shocked 🙂 Quote
zoomomancs Posted October 18, 2022 Posted October 18, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 7:38 PM, iendo said: I was hoping to read the actual prices in the thread but they are not mentioned. I'm ready to be shocked 🙂 I was there 2 weeks ago and my memory is in the 110/120 bt area for a beer. More for a boy drink obv. My focus was elsewhere so my memory may be wrong. Patanawet and iendo 1 1 Quote
gerefan Posted October 18, 2022 Posted October 18, 2022 Certainly was the price when I was there in August/September. However the beer “stalls” were much cheaper. I used to be able to buy a large bottle of beer at the first bar, next to Adonis, ( The Point?) for only 80 baht! Patanawet 1 Quote
Olddaddy Posted October 19, 2022 Author Posted October 19, 2022 I wish Sunee Plaza would come back again. What's the future for that place you think 🤔 Quote
vinapu Posted October 19, 2022 Posted October 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, Olddaddy said: I wish Sunee Plaza would come back again. What's the future for that place you think 🤔 With shortage of tourists only expats cal keep it alive but it looks thay prefer Jomtien. I guess slow death is all awaiting Sunee. Quote
