Trip report: Thailand September 2022

[spoon]

So freshboys now have hunks? 

On the waiter, u can always try a diff day.

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

 I still feel like I missed out for not bringing that waiter back to my hotel room. Would have been nice. Should I have agreed on the 3000 baht off fee anyway? 🤔

if you had hots for guy , my answer is  yes , as long as you understand you were milked for money in process.

If I think about my  experiences in similar situations I'd say in most cases was actually worth it , even if in two cases it turned very costly because I kind of got hooked and repeated feast few more times. But you live only once.

[floridarob]

2 hours ago, vinapu said:

But you live only once.

You only die once, we live every day until then .....😉

[vinapu]

59 minutes ago, floridarob said:

You only die once, we live every day until then .....😉

I envy you guys , LOL

[fedssocr]

I agree that if your time is short and you really find him attractive then I think an extra US$27 is a small price to pay.

[bkkmfj2648]

9 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

Should I have agreed on the 3000 baht off fee anyway? 🤔

But then you would of not have had the HOT time with Number 20 from Dream Boys.

Or do you think that the BoyzBoyzBoyz waiter would have been more hot than Number 20?

[Boy69]

23 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

I have to catch up reacting to some of your comments... 

This was exactly what is was saying to @bkkmfj2648 when we were in Boyz Boyz Boyz together. That it looked that bar changed from gay bar to boy bar or host bar. Quite a few woman inside. And the (in my eyes) best looking boys on stage were actually only interested in the female clients (for tips or offs). In my report about my first night there, I wrote about the guy with curly hair. On my 2nd visit he was again going from table to table for drinks and tips with mostly female guests. So probabaly some of these boys earn this way enough on an evening on tips / drink kick back alone that they don't even need an off. 

Agree. From all the Bangkok bars I visited I think freshboys has the best full experience. Show, atmosphere and good variety of boys. Specially for a firdt timer Freshboys would be the best choice I think. 

For me that's was because what I made out of other reports the bars in Sunee will not have my type of boys. I'm more into hunks than twinks. 

I was actually talking to the waiter himself directly trying to negotiate his off fee. But papasan just jumped in himself. What I probabaly did wrong is talked to papasan earlier about the boys on stage and later used papasan to get the attention of the waiter. So papasan felt he was involved already. I still feel like I missed out for not bringing that waiter back to my hotel room. Would have been nice. Should I have agreed on the 3000 baht off fee anyway? 🤔

I assume because the boy is a waiter member of the staff servicing the clients and not one of the boys on stage available for off, what the mamasan tried to say you is that extra 1000 BHT (most likely the boy will give it to the bar/mamasn after you pay him ) is needed for  taking the boy out of his shift from the bar, In contrary to what Vinapu said I don't think the mamasan  tried to ripped you of.

[emiel1981]

Part 16: Trip to the south... Going to Phuket

After a view nice days in Pattaya is was time to leave for Phuket. I've worked and lived in Khao Lak and Phuket for about 5 months a few years ago and I was curious how Phuket came out of the covid period. Also still an old colleague and his Thai boyfriend are living in Phuket so was looking forward to see them again too. 

U-Tapao Airport is very small with at this moment only one or two flight a day. Probabaly because of this, ALL restaurants and bars were closed at the airport. Before and afyer security. So if you fly from there, maybe good to have some drink with you and drink it before you go trough security check. You can go trough security just 15 minutes before boarding time as the airport is so small and nos busy at all. 

On 9/15/2022 at 2:17 AM, pong2 said:

With current still pretty low nrs I think (thats some experience from yrs ago working next to the travel biz) that ´consolidations´=airline speak for cancellations, due to low nr of bookings are more a risk at UTP. 

I wouldn't be afraid of airlines cancelling flight from U-Tapao because of lack of passengers. Both flights that departed from the airport when I was there looked well occupied. My own flight to Phuket, with a propellor plane, was almost completely full.

Flying with Bangkok Airways means a meal/snack and drinks are included. What I actually needed as everything at the airport itself was closed. 

Phuket Airport (and the rest of the touristic areas on the island) are known for their taxi maffia. The government is trying to do something about it. There are now maximum taxi fares in place from the airport. Every taxi tooth and booth is now actually charging the same: 800 baht from airport to Patong. You can also follow signs "taxi meter" to the very end of the parking area. If you're lucky there is a taxi meter waiting there. As that mind turn out a bit cheaper. While I was in my way to the taxi meter parking, a drives offered me the ride for 650 baht which I agreed on. I also checked Bolt. They charge around 500 baht but Bolt taxis are officially not allowed to pick up customers at Phuket Airport and I wanted to avoid any nasty situations. 

I booked the Best Western Patong Hotel. Because it walking distance from Paradise Complex but on a more quiet road. And it has a rooftop pool for some afternoon chilling. And for 790 baht per night it was priced good. 

Pool at Best Western Patong

I'm evening it was time to head to Paradise Complex to see what's left from the gay area. In one street good old Zag Club is still there, even bigger than before. Next to it is G Club. Both have drag shows that you can watch while sitting on their terraces. As they do the show on the street. Zag later continues their show inside. It was very busy at Zag. Between their shows the crowd in dancing and flirting. With some shirtless staff joining in. Crowd is a good mix of falang, Asian, young and older. Everybody enjoying themself and each other... Very good and nice atmosphere. 

Having a good night out in Zag Club

There are two other smaller bars in the street but they actually didn't have any customers when I passed by. The good old boat bar went bankrupt and is gone. There used to be also two go go bars in Paradise, with boys wearing numbered tags that could be offed. But they also didn't surivive covid lockdowns. 

The owner of Zag Club bought most of the buildings on the street. To avoid any competition coming in. Some of the buildings he is owning are already empty for many years. They are up for sale, but apparently he doesn't want to sell to anybody planning to start a bar or club. 

Other bars, like G Club, are struggling a bit. For example: Zag is suppose to do their street show until 10pm after which G Club can start theirs, to try to get also some customers in. But Zag just continues their street show till way after 10pm, giving G Club less fair chance to take some business. The bars are next to each other, so they can't do street show at same time because music will reverberate disturbingly. 

G Club terrace

Because of the dominant presence of Zag, that club was full of people while G club only had handful customers on the terrace. If you're coming to Phuket I would suggest to also support the business in G Club a bit and don't forgot to also sit down at their terrace for a drink. If only for the cute and young owner / manager. Their streetshow will start as soon as Zag take theirs inside. 

In the road parallel of the bar street, there are a few gay massage places. Will check them out later. 

[TotallyOz]

Truly fantabulous reporting! Thank you.

[12is12]

Thank u Emiel; I think I'll make my life simpler by just following your footsteps.

Zag takes the show inside bcs it gets more sexual?

Does BW allow visitors?

[vinapu]

6 hours ago, Boy69 said:

 In contrary to what Vinapu said I don't think the mamasan  tried to ripped you of.

I'd be glad to agree with you , specially if mamasan in question was one with the cap (Lek) who helped me few times

[macaroni21]

8 hours ago, Boy69 said:

I assume because the boy is a waiter member of the staff servicing the clients and not one of the boys on stage available for off, what the mamasan tried to say you is that extra 1000 BHT (most likely the boy will give it to the bar/mamasn after you pay him ) is needed for  taking the boy out of his shift from the bar, In contrary to what Vinapu said I don't think the mamasan  tried to ripped you of.

Customarily, the practice is like this: Offing a waiter and removing him from the available staff in a bar (not that bar waiters have that much to do anyway) is usually discouraged through a higher bar fine (off fee), not through imposing a higher tip for the boy, which anyway should be money going exclusively to him.

[macaroni21]

5 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

Phuket Airport (and the rest of the touristic areas on the island) are known for their taxi maffia. The government is trying to do something about it. There are now maximum taxi fares in place from the airport. Every taxi tooth and booth is now actually charging the same: 800 baht from airport to Patong.

I checked the distance from Phuket airport to Best Western in Patong. It's 40km. They are charging 800 baht. I also checked the distance from Suvarnabhumi airport to Patpong. It's 36 km, and a typical taxi ride (minus tolls) would be around 400 baht. Distance for distance, Phuket taxis are charging twice what Bangkok taxis charge, and that's only when the authorities step in to impose a "maximum". Good thing you're staying within walking distance of the gay area.

[khaolakguy]

A factor may be that a taxi travelling from Suvarnabhumi to the centre of Bangkok, is more likely to be able to pick up a subsequent fare than one travelling to somewhere like Patong. I think too many licenses were issued in Phuket(possibly the sale of licenses benefited someone) so that the drivers need to recoup when they finally get a fare!

 

[emiel1981]

Part 17: Once you go black... 

I remembered an old post on this forum about African guys on Grindr in Bangkok:

On 2/15/2022 at 6:09 PM, Alaskabear said:

I’ve been peaking around on Grindr the last few days and I notice several very attractive black guys advertising. Does anyone have the story on this phenomenon? As much as I am excited to meet up with some hot Thai guys, these new arrivals would be a very welcome addition. 

And indeed when I was in Silom Bangkok I also did see some African guys on the app. I didn't pay much attention as I did see they advertise as top.

The guy that was staying in my hotel... 

But now I'm in Patong Phuket I did see one of these African guys appearing very close to me on Grindr. I was intrigued and started a chat. The guy was over from Bangkok for a few days and was staying in same hotel in Patong as me. And he told me he was versatile. He asked a bit more than the Asian moneyboys, but for the sake of research for this forum I thought I might have to give it a try. 

He first asked 5000 baht, that I could get down to 3000 quiet easily. Few minutes later a knock on my door and a very goodlooking dark guy entered my room. He was very polite and spoke perfect English. Was nice to have a bit of conversation. We took a shower together where things started to heat up quickly. I soaped his muscled body. Some kissing and mutual sucking. He did indeed live up to the stereotype: a great xxl black cock that I could not throat completely. Nice expierence for once.... Wow.

Not sure how much nudity is alloud on this forum, but I wanna give you and idea by posting one of the less explicit pictures he had sent me:

We dried each other bodies before we went to the bed and had some hot fun... It was truly an afternoon delight. 

Went to spent some time at the rooftop pool of my hotel before two friends picked me up for drinks and dinner at a restaurant on Patong Hill with beautiful view and sunset. 

 

[12is12]

WOW 

That's my fantasy: an ebony smooth xxl in Thailand.

None of them in Pattaya?

 

[12is12]

Where does he come from?

[emiel1981]

On 9/16/2022 at 5:58 PM, spoon said:

So freshboys now have hunks? 

At least some boys in Freshboys are slightly muscled. Not only skinny boys. On the two nights I was there, they had quite a diverse group of boys on stage. Big chances there is something of your taste there... (unless you really wanna go for Tawan muscle guys, that's not on offer in Freshboys). 

On 9/16/2022 at 11:28 PM, bkkmfj2648 said:

But then you would of not have had the HOT time with Number 20 from Dream Boys.

Or do you think that the BoyzBoyzBoyz waiter would have been more hot than Number 20?

Number 20 was absolutely very good and nice. But somehow waiter keeps coming back in my mind and fantasies. Lol... Did you already go back for nr 19?

4 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

Customarily, the practice is like this: Offing a waiter and removing him from the available staff in a bar (not that bar waiters have that much to do anyway) is usually discouraged through a higher bar fine (off fee), not through imposing a higher tip for the boy, which anyway should be money going exclusively to him.

So guys, actually when they charged 3000 baht (for fun without fucking) they weren't overcharging me? You guys think I should go back to Pattaya and give it another try for 3000? 🤔

8 hours ago, 12is12 said:

Zag takes the show inside bcs it gets more sexual?

Does BW allow visitors?

The show ik Zag doesn't become sexual at all. It's just ladyboys with sexy dancers. And some shirtless boys walking around.

I just tried (will be in the next report) and can confirm it's possible to take a guest to Best Western Patong during nighttime without any problems, fee or questions asked.... 

3 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

I checked the distance from Phuket airport to Best Western in Patong. It's 40km. They are charging 800 baht. I also checked the distance from Suvarnabhumi airport to Patpong. It's 36 km, and a typical taxi ride (minus tolls) would be around 400 baht. Distance for distance, Phuket taxis are charging twice what Bangkok taxis charge, and that's only when the authorities step in to impose a "maximum". Good thing you're staying within walking distance of the gay area.

Because I knew about the Phuket taxi maffia I made sure I was in walking distance from the gay area. 

We all know things can be more expensive in certain areas in Thailand. As the boys in Bangkok in general are more expensive than in Pattaya, the taxis in Phuket are more expensive than in Bangkok... At least its good the my out a maximum fare in place for taxis from the airport. So you know what to expect... 

[khaolakguy]

I'm told that they still have gogo boys at Spartacus(in Paradise), might be worth keeping your eye open for them.

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, emiel1981 said:

a restaurant on Patong Hill with beautiful view and sunset

I prefer the view of the pic he sent you that he posted 😝

[vinapu]

8 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

 

So guys, actually when they charged 3000 baht (for fun without fucking) they weren't overcharging me? You guys think I should go back to Pattaya and give it another try for 3000? 🤔

 

I personally think they try to overcharge you but if you still have hots for guy , go for it

[Guest guest_BenG1000]

That African guy looks super-hot, but he ain't coming near my butt with that anaconda ... yikes. My eyes are already watering. 😂

[Boy69]

On my last trip just before the Covid strike I Had 2 African boys met through Grindr one in Silom 22 yo well built body top and second 18 yo in Pattaya slim smooth bottom. 

Both were from Madagascar very polite and good in bed.

[bkkmfj2648]

15 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

He asked a bit more than the Asian moneyboys, but for the sake of research for this forum I thought I might have to give it a try. 

Emiel, I knew from the first moment that I met you that you were an honorable man who would step up to do the necessary duty for his fellow forum members to take on this HOT speciman of a man for all of us.  BRAVO!!!

Your pictures and story made me so horny for a new try of African meat.  Yummy.

Regarding Number 19, I have not yet ventured back over to Pattaya. However, I did try to find him in Grindr and Hornet - but with no luck.

 

[macaroni21]

20 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

So guys, actually when they charged 3000 baht (for fun without fucking) they weren't overcharging me? You guys think I should go back to Pattaya and give it another try for 3000?

I am pretty sure they were, (or more specifically, the mamasan was). Just because I said that the tip SHOULD be money going exclusively to the boy does not mean that he would not be extorted of part it by the mamasan the next day. I think the waiter would have been happy with 2,000, in line with the other gogo boys of the bar unless he has a very high opinion of himself as some kind of Adonis, in which case, he won't be value for money with an attitude like that. 

Bear in mind that however appealing he may look to you, his performance in-room remains a complete unknown. It's an independent variable. You have no way to assume that he is worth 3,000.

If I were in your place and am smitten by the waiter, I would try to find a way on my next visit to the bar to slip him my LINE contact and ask him to message me. Rather than off him from the bar where the vulture (oops, I mean the mamasan) would be watching, I'd try to arrange an afternoon tryst via LINE. I would go no further than 2,000. After all, he already knows that 3,000 is unacceptable to you from the incident the other night. He would have no expectation of 3,000 by now.