Where are the cheapest Gay4pay countries?

[Olddaddy]

Whilst Thailand is still a cheap place for Gay4Pay sex encounters,it's service cost is rising 

So by the time you buy a drink, boy drink ,off fee I see now in Pattaya at some place 500/600 plus the boy tip etc it can be costly every night,unless of course you can negotiate over the apps .

So where are the cheapest Gay4pay countries?

 

[Rick7235]

Hi . This might not be the right subject . But can anyone enlighten me on the following ..

 

1) can i off the models in Jupiter? 

2) how do i do that if possible ?

3) what is the rate for overnight ?

Will be in Thailand after 5 years and saw some of the VIDEO posted by them and happen to like some of the " models " so are planning to visit them when I'm in Bangkok soon 

 

Thanks for the help in advance ..

 

[Latbear4blk]

41 minutes ago, Olddaddy said:

So where are the cheapest Gay4pay countries?

Do you factor the cost of the trip and local offerings other than paid sex in your calculations? For me, being in the States, I think the cheapest country is Colombia. You may find cheaper sex in Guatemala, but I am not interested in visiting Central America.

[Olddaddy]

50 minutes ago, Rick7235 said:

Hi . This might not be the right subject . But can anyone enlighten me on the following ..

 

1) can i off the models in Jupiter? 

2) how do i do that if possible ?

3) what is the rate for overnight ?

Will be in Thailand after 5 years and saw some of the VIDEO posted by them and happen to like some of the " models " so are planning to visit them when I'm in Bangkok soon 

 

Thanks for the help in advance ..

 

You aren't John are you?

The guy who sat next to the boy I was drinking with and completely ignored me?

[Olddaddy]

39 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said:

Do you factor the cost of the trip and local offerings other than paid sex in your calculations? For me, being in the States, I think the cheapest country is Colombia. You may find cheaper sex in Guatemala, but I am not interested in visiting Central America.

Great point , I guess not really nowadays as much .

But I was just talking to a old time boy in jomtien complex who told me not many farangs because prices are rising too much established by bar owners etc  ,he is a freelancer.l,but beers 120b in beer bars etc he mentioned that was keeping expats at home while go Go bars 250 etc

Can I ask the rough price for sex in Guatemala? And other places 

 

 

 

 

[fedssocr]

can't you avoid a lot of those gogo bar costs by using alternate means of meeting guys to entertain you?

While I haven't been there, I'd imagine that the Philippines would be fairly inexpensive.

[numazu]

This reminds me of a post I did describing a way to compare different countries' cost to hire a boy relative to where I live, which is California. The information presented is old, since pricing is dynamic, for boys, airfare, cost of living etc, and the world has changed dramatically since 2018, but maybe I should update this for 2022 prices:

On 6/29/2018 at 5:22 PM, numazu said:

start of old Monger Index post:

It is a metric I came up with called the Monger Index, or a way to compare the cost of hiring in different countries versus the boys you get back home. It’s a metric me and a buddy of mine came up with while super drunk at the Crowne Plaza Bangkok at 3 AM in the morning years ago. He asked me why I get all these prostitutes overseas. With the airfare and hotel rooms, that cost adds up. Wouldn’t it be just cheaper to hire prostitutes back home?

I told him he was crazy because (a) the prostitutes are expensive back home and (b) sex is more fun when on vacation anyway. But I disputed his thesis that it is cheaper to hire prostitutes back home. So I came up with an index that measures how much cheaper it is to get hot guys overseas than in the USA, accounting got airfare and lodging costs. This is the Monger index.

I apologize for the math. I am Asian after all.

Some assumptions:

(1)    Time Range: The index would not work in measuring one-offs. Of course ONE prostitute would be cheaper in the USA than ONE prostitute in Bangkok. A $250 an hour prostitute you hire for one hour to take home to your USA house is cheaper than a $50 gogo boy you get in a nice gogo bar if you add the $600 roundtrip airfare one needs to get to the sauna, plus the hotel cost.

It will only work if you hire by bulk, and have a longer time range. My assumption for this index example is one week, or 7 days. For example, if you get one guy every day in a week in the USA, that adds up to 7*$250 = $1750. Now we are talking bigger dollars. Have sex in bulk when overseas helps you recoup your cost.

(2)    Airfare: The index should include the airfare. For my purposes here, I use airfare coming from California, because that's where I live. So for example, a typical off-season RT air ticket to Sao Paulo, Brazil is $1000. For Bangkok, it’s $550. This is a fixed cost in the index.

(3)    Hotel: Of course you have to assume you are getting a hotel in the city you are mongering in. I assume my hotels will be typical AirBNB’s, with basic amenities in a decent and nearby neighborhood. Translation: not a dump but not fancy, and Uberable or walkable to the sauna and tourist-friendly services. For Sao Paulo I assume of the cost, the AirBNB me and the BF got in Bela Vista last December. It was a decent $50 a night. For 7 nights that adds up to $350. For Bangkok, a typical decent Silom Soi 3 AirBNB costs $45 a night.

(4)    Overnights: I put in the calculation the cost it takes for hiring a guy overnight. For California, a typical overnight with a hot but not “superstar porn star” hot is $1000. For Sao Paulo, Jonas’ example was 200 reals, but I count his initial 200 reals in the sauna as part of the overnight, so 200+200 = 400 reals, or $104. For Bangkok, its a bit tricky, but I assumed a high-end 3000 baht overnight, or $91.  I pay that because of all the sexual acrobatics I require all my boys. It is only fair.

So here are the gross calcs. For 7 days, if I hired a boy for one hour and another boy for overnight every day:

California Prostitute: Price for one hour times 7 + Price for an overnight times 7 = $250*7 + $1000*7 = $8750

Bangkok GoGo Boy: Airfare + 7 nights in AirBNB + Price for a garoto in the sauna times 7 + Price for a garoto overnight times 7 = $550 + $315 + $52*7 + $91*7 = $1866

Sao Paulo Garoto (Jonas): Airfare + 7 nights in AirBNB + Price for a garoto in the sauna times 7 + Price for a garoto overnight times 7 = $1000 + $350 + $52*7 + $104*7 = $2442

The index is calculated as the ratio of the 7-day cost of USA boys, divided by the total cost in that country.

7-day Monger Index for Sao Paulo = $8750/$2442 = 3.58

7-day Monger Index for Bangkok = $8750/$1866 = 4.70

Issues:

(1)    I do not count the Uber cost to get to the sauna or gogo bar, or the entrance fee for the sauna, or the cabina price, or the off fee, or the drink costs in a bar.

(2)    I do not account for food costs. Of course you have to eat whether in the USA or Brazil or Thailand. This may be a future improvement to be added.

(3)    The airfare is just from California, maybe it’s more or less where you are. Maybe my assumption of $550 for Bangkok is too much or too little. This is just what I see anecdotally.

So, with that, here are my Monger Indices for some 6 cities I’ve been to, ranked by the best to worst:

1.       Pattaya, Thailand: 5.54

2.       Bangkok, Thailand: 4.70

3.       Mexico City, Mexico: 4.53

4.       Bogota, Colombia: 3.77

5.       Sao Paulo, Brazil: 3.58

6.       Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: 3.44

These are solely based on my experience. Your Monger Index may be different.

Some observations:

(1)    Thailand remains the most bang for your buck, because of the presence of cheap decent places to stay in and low cost to fly there from California.

(2)    Mexico is helped by the fact that it’s so close to California, therefore the airfare is cheap.

(3)    Brazil on the other hand, is dinged by how expensive the airfares are from California.

(4)    If I factor in food, Thailand may even get a higher index, and Brazil may get a lower index.

(5)    Grindr prices were only used in Bogota and Mexico, because I do not have experiences getting anyone there outside of Grindr. So your mileage may vary.

(6)    Quality of boys is impossible to measure. And it is subjective, so it can’t be put in the index. The index is solely a quantitative metric. For example, twinks may be better in Thailand. Adonises may be better in Brazil. Again, quality is subjective, and can’t be measured meaningfully.

Of course, in the end, your mileage may vary, and these indices are only meaningful to me. If you don’t like having sex with Asians, your Monger Index for Thailand is -1000000, for example.

On 6/29/2018 at 5:22 PM, numazu said:

end of old Monger Index post

link:

[Rick7235]

1 hour ago, Olddaddy said:

You aren't John are you?

The guy who sat next to the boy I was drinking with and completely ignored me?

I'm not John  . In fact I'm not Farang ..I'm a Malaysian ..

[Latbear4blk]

2 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

Can I ask the rough price for sex in Guatemala? And other places 

I hope you are not asking me.

In case you are, I apologize for giving you the wrong impression. I used Guatemala and Central America just as one example of places that are not in the top of my list to visit. I have no knowledge about Guatemalan sex market.

[Olddaddy]

29 minutes ago, Rick7235 said:

I'm not John  . In fact I'm not Farang ..I'm a Malaysian ..

Sorry ,you just have the same attitude as John,though you were him !

My bad 

[fedssocr]

We need Christian and his highly detailed cost itemizations.

For the "Monger Index" do you really hire a short time and long time guy every day? I'd imagine that skews the math fairly substantially.

[floridarob]

Brazil would be 25% less than in those times now.....

I'm going to Bogota next month, I haven't been there in ages. CUN-BOG 195usd r/t, industry rates at Hiltons and a stop on the way back in Panama, Waldorf Astoria 😵

Like Namazu said, airfare depends on where you are originating and carries a bulk of the expense generally.....but travel is fun (or at least it used to be).

I don't keep charts, I barely remember where I've been (I'm not Asian, btw)......but my "go to" places are:

#1 all around- Brazil= Amazing sex, fun guys, a little danger Avg cost for a guy=$36usd, plus entry fee and drinks if you go to a sauna...online is the same price.

#2 Mexico= I live here, brown skin, lot's of fun, generally everyone turns somewhat gay when drinking- depending on what types of guys and what city will vary from free-$75usd...My average, when paying is $25usd. Mexico is a good sized country and lots of different cities to choose from ...Cancun being my least favorite because of the gringo tourism and tourist scams that go along with that.

#3Thailand= There is enough info here to know what it's all about

Indonesia= Bali, lot's of semi-openly gays- Because of religion, most guys are circumcized - much like Morocco or Egypt or Turkey...different being with an Asian or latin looking guy that is cut....I've been to Jakarta and Bali, is like NYC vs Miami or Mexico City vs Cancun or Bkk vs Pattaya....Jakarta is a big city not much to see but LOTS of people Bali is used to tourism, lots of Aussies go there and the hook ups are on apps or massage shops....average price was $25-30usd

Cuba= Use to be lots of hot guys that were into pleasing....not so much anymore, but are diamonds in the rough sometimes- All street cruising and pick up points $20usd is the standard, I've seen some go as low as $5 and some asking $50....things are not good there right now, nothing on the shelves- I was going to go there instead of Colombia/Panama but changed my mind based on the ground reports.

I've been all through Central America and no organized or set places/prices to really go by....just like spinning a wheel on the Grindr roulette.

Dominican Republic= Haven't been there in ages, but in the Latin America forum there is info- Fares are too crazy from Mexico to there, but if I was on the east coast with cheap fares, I'd go back easily.....

Colombia= I've been to several places, but not for awhile....good info in Latin America forum and going rates seem to be $25-40 usd

Panama= some BEAUTIFUL guys....gay clubs seem to be underground still , but I've had AMAZING sex there, just finding it is not as easy as the other places listed here...prices seem to be about $50-$75

Those are the places I go to , for this type of stuff. I've been to many other places in the world...but those are the ones I return to....no wonder I don't write trip reports, thoughts run through my head like squirrels.

[belkinDC]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

Brazil would be 25% less than in those times now.....

I'm going to Bogota next month, I haven't been there in ages. CUN-BOG 195usd r/t, industry rates at Hiltons and a stop on the way back in Panama, Waldorf Astoria 😵

Like Namazu said, airfare depends on where you are originating and carries a bulk of the expense generally.....but travel is fun (or at least it used to be).

Is that 25% figure based just on more favorable USD/BRL rate? 

Have fun in Bogota and please report back 😃

Re: airfare, as someone who almost always pays with miles/transferred credit card points, Brazil is cheaper. It also has the advantage of being a shorter journey (at least for me being East Coast US based) and no massive jet lag. I love reading about all the fun in Asia but those advantages of Brazil - plus my like for more muscular guys -- has always prevented me from taking that leap vs South America when I have the precious trip time available.

EDIT - cheaper than Asia that is to say! Colombia is of course cheaper/closer still than Brazil and I’ve also had a lot of fun there in my two trips to MDE. But for me nothing can beat the experience of the saunas in Brazil…

I’d agree with @Latbear4blk that Colombia is probably the best bet for overall cheapest destination.

[hotbyu]

I have never been to any South East Asian country other than Thailand, but I have done some light research and it seems like Laos, Cambodia and especially Myanmar are much cheaper than Thailand.

[vaughn]

My main considerations when I'm planning my monger trips are:

• Airfare costs and flight durations
• Infrastructure at the destination and safety
• Availability of the type of boys I like

Being from Australia it almost always leads me to Asia, flights are under 10 hours and (in normal times) inexpensive. Infrastructure in most major cities is ok, it is very safe and my love of twinks is easily fulfilled.

I used to travel to China a lot, it ticked all of my boxes, and although not widely understood the gay venues and apps were a goldmine of free and cheap offerings. Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan while more expensive also kept me very busy and satisfied. In the past 5 years, geopolitics and other issues lowered my safety rating in China and Hong Kong so I went looking elsewhere, which fortunately led me to discover Thailand.

Based on all of the countries I have visited Thailand is number 1 in the ease of contact and availability of boys, the costs are rising but are still very reasonable. Philippines and Cambodia are cheaper but infrastructure and safety are lower on the scale in my view. I'm interested to try Vietnam, but my hesitation there is that I'm unfamiliar with the local laws, safety, and offerings.

Eastern Europe interests me more than Latin America, but I think at some point I will start to explore them.

@numazuI love the Monger Index, brilliant 😅

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, vaughn said:

numazuI love the Monger Index, brilliant 😅

Same - fantastic.  

[Olddaddy]

Guess I should add the Philippines

Lots & lots of Gay4pay guys mostly all Top  (Manila) expect around the 1000-2000 peso mark  .and less ,all gay apps ,many straight ,looking for extra money 

Other cities ,Gensen ,Davao ,Cebu ,many guys available many wanted from 500 peso to 1500 peso but mostly in the lower range 

If your a top in the Philippines you will probably get for free ,a lot of Filipino guys just asking taxi money but if your a bottom like me and want straight guys then they call themselves "for hire"

The thing is unless your a social type guy it's mostly all gay apps,

 

[Min]

10 hours ago, floridarob said:

I've been all through Central America and no organized or set places/prices to really go by....just like spinning a wheel on the Grindr roulette.

Wow, your Central & South America resume is extensive. You live in Mexico so I guess you speak Spanish and probably Portuguese too? I tried a famous sauna in Rio once (not 117, the other one) and felt it was pretty hard for English-speaking people to seal some deals there.

[PeterRS]

10 hours ago, floridarob said:

Indonesia= Bali, lot's of semi-openly gays- Because of religion, most guys are circumcized 

Please remember that Bali is not Muslim. It has its own long-adapted version of Hinduism and almost all Balinese boys are uncircumcised. Those whom you meet who are circumcised are likely to be boys from neighbouring Java, often money boys.

[Boy69]

15 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

Do you factor the cost of the trip and local offerings other than paid sex in your calculations? For me, being in the States, I think the cheapest country is Colombia. You may find cheaper sex in Guatemala, but I am not interested in visiting Central America.

I am considering a first time visit to Colombia can you advise the cost there ? I am into 18-22 y.o. slim gay twinks is it easy  to find them there ? What about safety ?  joiners policy at hotels ?

[belkinDC]

19 minutes ago, Boy69 said:

I am considering a first time visit to Colombia can you advise the cost there ? I am into 18-22 y.o. slim gay twinks is it easy  to find them there ? What about safety ?  joiners policy at hotels ?

You shouldn’t have a problem finding such guys for 150,000 COP or thereabouts. More detailed pricing discussions and info on safety, joiners etc. can be found in the many Colombia-focused threads.

[tassojunior]

Columbia. 

If you can get really cheap coke, NYC or LA. 

(maybe visit Columbia first lol)

[Latbear4blk]

6 hours ago, Boy69 said:

I am considering a first time visit to Colombia can you advise the cost there ? I am into 18-22 y.o. slim gay twinks is it easy  to find them there ? What about safety ?  joiners policy at hotels ?

I invite you to do your homework and research the Latin American forums. All your questions are extensively answered there.

[zsolec]

I had a chance to visit many Asian countries before pandemic. The purpose of the visit is always touristic but of course as the sun goes down the urge comes to find some sex too :)

I usually stay only couple days in the same place, so getting paid sex is a fast and good alternative vs. looking for free opportunities on the apps. Here is my experience mostly from pre-covid times. My favorite places are not where sex is 4pay but where free stuff still comes easy and plenty.

Just to understand my experience : I am in my early 50ths, bald head, white, average looking guy whit gym fit body doing excersize about 4 times a week.

-Thailand: we all know on this forum that everything is available for pay, but I am not soo lucky with free encounters. The apps bring few Hi, how are you boys but they never really develop into a sexual fun activity and as I said I usually move on quickly to the next place.

Indonesia: I have to separate Bali and the rest of the country as my experience was really different due to culture and religion.

Bali: became my favorite place during my travel. It was about 10 years ago when first time entered the island. I had the best time getting a handsome driver on the app. He became my daily tour guide, party friend and fuck buddy. Never asked me to pay him, of course fuel, food and drinks were on me. We were doing some crazy fun together including hunting for a 3rd one on Kuta beach in the night or he offered his virgin ass to make it up for me. He dropped me on the aiport on the last day and I never saw him again, lost contact when I left my phone in a taxi next year.  I come back to the island many times, locals and plenty gays from other part of Indonesia (freedom and escaping from their family pressure to get married) are all friendly, getting fun nights  like a guy invited me to a villa for naked swimming and sex in the pool, or model looking guy wanted me to stay with him because my bald head was making him horny all the time. No wonder the island is on the top of my list.

Jakarta (rest of Indonesia): Nothing much touristic in Jakarta but as a huge city, plenty on offer. I never had so many boys contacted me looking for daddy experience. Apps are full of massage boys and escorts but free offers coming easy as well. I just returned from Thailand - Jakarta last month. I could not get a 3some in Thailand (not even for pay, I know you are probably rolling your eyes, ha ha ha) but my two days in Jakarta was enough to get a twink and a bear guy with scary thick dick to come and play with me on the first day, and a handsome police man who was eager to stay all day in my hotel room next day.

Hong Kong: no good luck there, small plays in saunas but just like the city with expensive hotels the escorts were coming with the price tag too.

Philippines: Manila is a huge city, had some good and bad experience there. Run into the biggest scam after a party night when I was offered 4 hands massage on the streets of Malate's gay bar areas. They took me to a short time hotel and during the massage they offered extras, gladly accepted not knowing one of the boy was in contact with corrupt policemen and taking evidence to blackmail me. To keep the story short I had to collect all my money from my hotel room to pay them. Now the good ones, I have few gay friends in Manila, they introduced me to straight boys hunting on the streets. Certain areas of the city the boys are hanging around in the night and as we walked by the negotiation started. Then I had a chance to choose any boys I wanted. My friends knew short stay cheap hotels and remember it was around 5 usd for the boys and I was told not to pay more to keep the local business running. Probably it was the cheapest sex I ever paid for and I was gladly walking around the streets every night. I visited other parts of the country: Puerto Galeria and Palawan were fun places too. The Saturday night in PG beach was a night to remember, sucked a boy at the end of the beach, shagged with a boy in one of the restaurant toilet, had a lady boy took me to his room and on the way back to my hotel picked up a handsome guy who did not have transportation to go home. Of course, I insisted to sleep next to me, not on the floor and I could not fall in sleep till I made him come. All this action was in one night and it was in the low season.

Cambodia: I visited only once and I was more excited about seing Angkor Wat and around the capital but those Khmer guys are so sexsy.  Massage was cheap in Siem Riap and met few boys, handsome dark skin, sexy body and facial hair my weak points. No wonder, I tent to pick Cambodian boys in Bangkok Boy Bars.

Vietnam: I had a guy was crazy for nipples and keep biting them for days till they become so sensitive that just putting on a Tshirt was a pain, with pleasure of course. But somehow Vietnamese boys are not driving me crazy. Their face is more, how to say: softer. I am missing that manly look I can find in other asian countries.

I have few other places could mention but my story getting too long.

The bottom line is (to go back to the original post) that different places will give you different experience. While gay4pay is available everywhere I am more happy to visit Indonesia and Cambodia because of the free encounters. Philippines are cheap too but got to be more carefull. 

...I learned one thing from my last visit in Bangkok, we are not the same. What works for me, maybe will not work for you. Visit as many places as possible, experience the local cultures and soak in the boys, you will find your place to be happy the most.

I was hoping to repeat Vinapu's legendary offs   but as I mentioned I even failed to organize one 3some (not giving up, reading all the experience from other forum members will help me to succeed next time lol). Sorry If my story was dragging for too long. First time I actually shared such things and hope it was helpful for forum.

 

 

 

 

[Latbear4blk]

50 minutes ago, zsolec said:

I learned one thing from my last visit in Bangkok, we are not the same. What works for me, maybe will not work for you. Visit as many places as possible, experience the local cultures and soak in the boys, you will find your place to be happy the most.

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