Back in Pattaya after 2 years and 4 months

[reader]

Look on the bright side.

Got your phone fixed and caught up on your reading 🙂

[Londoner]

A good start; I'm happy for you!

It's good to see that I'm not the only one who panics when confronted by a phones. Fortunately, I have my personal Technology Advisor who, among other attributes, is able to transform tablet, phone and computer with a couple of touches. And a twinkle in his eye which some would interpret as pity.

If I were still in the game, I'd go to Winners; sounds my type of place. And reminiscent of the bars  that drove to me to early retirement in 1998. As for the disappointing performance; mai pen rai....it's an occupational hazard. The next ones will  be better. Though I do recall that a communication failure can lead to other failures in the bedroom.

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Travellerdave said:

...  his English was negligible and a rather unsatisfactory experience resulted. The preliminaries were fine but when it came to pénétration things came to a grinding halt with him stating - “I sorry -‘cannot’ . Oh well I thought you can’t win them all so he got minimum tip and I changed mode and read a book for an hour or so before sleep.

I suspect negligible English is often deliberate, as saying they will not do certain things will not lead to an off, whereas pretending they don't understand often gets an off.

The most obvious example I had was in Siem Reap, where a lad was struggling to communicate on Grindr, but I overlooked this and invited him to my hotel.  He turned up, speaking fluent English and declared he was studying English at University.    Of course, he was a dud.

These days, if a lad doesn't speak enough English to discuss the basics of his trade, I'm inclined to look for another one.   The majority do have sufficient English.  

 

Good to hear that Winner Boys has correctly attired staff.   Some bars maintain standards.

[Travellerdave]

Yes Winner was certainly thriving last night when I was there at 10pm with around 10 boys still there - 2 or 3 outside sat at tables with customers and the rest taking it in turns to dance or with the 3 customers including myself. Drinks are inexpensive and the music volume is reasonable. Boys were all in briefs apart from one in a g-string. It’s an Oasis in the mIddle of a ghost town. The owner certainly has got the formula right, but then it always used to be right in days gone by. Sunee’s decline could be judged by the motor bike taxi driver I engaged on second road not knowing where it was situated - I had to direct him. When I told him to stop at the entrance  he looked down the dark deserted Soi appeared worried and said “sure ?”

 

[reader]

7 hours ago, z909 said:

I suspect negligible English is often deliberate, as saying they will not do certain things will not lead to an off, whereas pretending they don't understand often gets an off.

Those sneaky sons of guns. They’re just like us, pretending not to speak Thai.

[macaroni21]

8 hours ago, Travellerdave said:

Yes Winner was certainly thriving last night when I was there at 10pm with around 10 boys still there - 2 or 3 outside sat at tables with customers and the rest taking it in turns to dance or with the 3 customers including myself. Drinks are inexpensive and the music volume is reasonable. Boys were all in briefs apart from one in a g-string. It’s an Oasis in the mIddle of a ghost town. The owner certainly has got the formula right, but then it always used to be right in days gone by. Sunee’s decline could be judged by the motor bike taxi driver I engaged on second road not knowing where it was situated - I had to direct him. When I told him to stop at the entrance  he looked down the dark deserted Soi appeared worried and said “sure ?”

 

If Winner bar has a viable business model, they really should get out of Sunee; the dreariness of the neighbourhood will put a ceiling to their customer traffic and revenue. There must be plenty of vacant shoplots, if not in the Boyztown soi, then in the adjacent sois, e.g. where A-bomb is. That said, the Boyztown area will not have the al fresco space that the Sunee area has, but some shoplots have balconies.

The pity is that the Jomtien Complex does not allow gogo bars.

[Vessey]

2 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

If Winner bar has a viable business model, they really should get out of Sunee; the dreariness of the neighbourhood will put a ceiling to their customer traffic and revenue. There must be plenty of vacant shoplots, if not in the Boyztown soi, then in the adjacent sois, e.g. where A-bomb is. That said, the Boyztown area will not have the al fresco space that the Sunee area has, but some shoplots have balconies.

The pity is that the Jomtien Complex does not allow gogo bars.

Actually I disagree with that for the simple reason that Sunee is exactly a dark and out-of-the-way sort of place.

In Winner Boys it is still possible to have discrete, but 'very intimate' conversations with the boys; dark corners for dark deeds, so to speak, and even occasionally with 'happy' conclusions to those conversations. Not as 'in-your-face' as the more openly 'hands-on' that you get in Nice Boys, but still a level of customer/boy 'intimacy' that you never see in Jomtien Complex, or in Boyztown now for that matter.

They can get away with it in dark, forgotten little Sunee Plaza, but I just can't see that model being allowed anywhere else in the gay areas of Pattaya - I would love to be wrong on that but .... 

Sunee Plaza and Winner Boys (& Nice Boys) is still worth regular pilgrimage. Winner Boys might not be as packed-out with customers as it could be, but free of Covid restrictions, it can still be a nice modest little 'earner' for its boss and its boys with its current level of traffic.

[Min]

7 hours ago, Vessey said:

Actually I disagree with that for the simple reason that Sunee is exactly a dark and out-of-the-way sort of place.

In Winner Boys it is still possible to have discrete, but 'very intimate' conversations with the boys; dark corners for dark deeds, so to speak, and even occasionally with 'happy' conclusions to those conversations. Not as 'in-your-face' as the more openly 'hands-on' that you get in Nice Boys, but still a level of customer/boy 'intimacy' that you never see in Jomtien Complex, or in Boyztown now for that matter.

Not to mention the rent should be much cheaper than the other places.

On 6/23/2022 at 9:30 AM, Travellerdave said:

My evening campaign was largely focussed on Winner Boy Bar, where at 10 pm the boys were still dancing in briefs inside. Selecting a  cute one I tried to describe what my expectations were but his English was negligible and a rather unsatisfactory experience resulted. The preliminaries were fine but when it came to pénétration things came to a grinding halt with him stating - “I sorry -‘cannot’ . Oh well I thought you can’t win them all so he got minimum tip and I changed mode and read a book for an hour or so before sleep.

Did you off the tall boy wearing dark blue shorts and sleeveless T-shirt? (He was the only one not in underwear, kinda cute but with attitude)

[Travellerdave]

No it was not him I offed, in fact I cannot remember seeing that tall boy you refer to at all. My off wore standard white briefs, but he had two rather large dangling earrings. Prior to calling him down from,the stage I had also cuddled a boy in white briefs with a large front label stating “BMW” . I amused myself by speculating if he was sponsored by the motor company/.

Were you in Winner Wednesday night or perhaps you spotted the tall boy on another occasion ?.

8 hours ago, Min said:

Did you off the tall boy wearing dark blue shorts and sleeveless T-shirt? (He was the only one not in underwear, kinda cute but with attitude)

[Min]

6 hours ago, Travellerdave said:

Were you in Winner Wednesday night?

Yep, I was there Wednesday night, sitting inside with a boy  I left around 10.30 pm. 

[Travellerdave]

This evening there was more of a party atmosphere in the Boyztown Soi with some rather tasty complementary  food on offer outside the Ambiance. They have also re-installed the tables outside, but without service. I eat my free food there watching the gathering crowd in which everyone seemed to know everyone else. The ladyboys in Copa were in full voice with frequent piercing screech’s during the show, which seemed to be well attended. There did not seem to be many entering the Boyz Boyz show, with no Chinese ladies going in. Toy boys at the other end of the soi seemed completely lacking in customers.

i did intended to visit Jomtien this evening but I have contracted a cold and have been avoiding alcohol and trying to get plenty of sleep. In fact I dosed off on the beach this afternoon after drinking  a coconut (50 baht for a large one), where I went to read a Michael Connelly book. This morning I actually made contact with a boy from Grindr for a rather bland short time. I had virtually given up trying to understand that medium. I think there must be something wrong with my installation. I messaged a boy who replied, but when I asked him where he was , he stated “Koh Samui”.  I had entered Pattaya  in my parameters.

ive had a wander down Walking Street where things are really humming. All the gogos seemed to have reopened with a lot of visitors in evidence from India and the Middle East. That might be the future for Pattaya with the West sliding into recession. 

[vinapu]

3 hours ago, Travellerdave said:

TThat might be the future for Pattaya with the West sliding into recession. 

my former boss once said, when I asked him why he is moving business in midst of recession ' never waste good recession, buy when everybody it selling "

[vinapu]

4 hours ago, vinapu said:

my former boss once said, when I asked him why he is moving business in midst of recession ' never waste good recession, buy when everybody it selling "

I forgot to add , I used his advice when I was buying my condo

[reader]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

my former boss once said, when I asked him why he is moving business in midst of recession ' never waste good recession, buy when everybody it selling "

Or as Warren Buffett advises, “Buy when others are fearful. Sell when others are greedy.”

[Travellerdave]

I visited Jomtien yesterday and spent a few hours at  Dongtan beach in the area I knew in the past as the Gay Beach. It was a “memory lane” visit and I had thoughts in the morning about asking my overnight boyfriend to accompany me there, but he seemed lukewarm about the idea so I was there on my own. At about 2 pm the concessions were about on average 20% full with several having virtually no customers. I occupied a rather confortable sun lounger for which the price was 100 baht which included a towel. Several customers had their Asian boyfriends with them but mainly it was single guys like me. Sat in an adjoining concession was a hetro couple, but then the “invasion” of “our beach” had started years ago. I’m one for reminiscing these days and my mind went back to the early 2000’s when I used to to wear very brief speedos and splash about in the water with my “boyfriend du jour”. Such activity unfortunately is now just in my memory bank and those speedos do not fit with my current body shape. However the afternoon was pleasant enough sat there with a book looking out to sea and being served with a cold drink. 
On leaving at about 4.30 I decided to get some exercise by walking back to Pattaya continuing along the beach path until leaving that to walk up an ascending road until I reached Thrapaya Road for the remainder of the walk finishing rather tired and bedraggled. When asked by the boyfriend what I had done that day he was totally unimpressed by my walking exploits. Exercise does not seem to be something in the boys participate in, but their bodies are deliciously slim and lean (certainly the ones which attract me), particularly if they have recently arrived from the Isaan rice fields.

[ichigo]

45 minutes ago, Travellerdave said:

walking back to Pattaya

I’ve done the walk from Jomtien back to Pattaya (and the reverse direction) and it is tiring! Especially in the heat and humidity. I was wrecked. But how nice it must be to be slim and lean without exercising! So jealous..

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, ichigo said:

 But how nice it must be to be slim and lean without exercising! So jealous..

 

1 hour ago, Travellerdave said:

particularly if they have recently arrived from the Isaan rice fields.

Ichigo, try  to work in rice fields for  a while and  you  may become slim and lean

[Boy69]

Thai boys don't like to walk at all even very short walks they will take some kind of transportation. They also don't like explosion to sun and sitting in the beach isn't attractive thing .

[Guest]

I regularly walk between Jomtien & South Pattaya, although usually after 4:00 pm, when there is more shade.    I did once bump into a Lao friend walking the same route, but he's an exception.

A more typical daytime walk might be up to North Pattaya and back, as this route can be arranged to benefit from more shade of buildings.    Naturally, I would stop off for a coffee en route.

 

One of the reasons the boys are slim and lean is because those are the ones we select.   In my case they are often from Cambodia and Laos & they haven't been in a rice field for years, if ever.   Some of these haven't even been home since the Covid pandemic started.

I think eating and drinking sensibly has a lot to do with it. 

When I meet one who isn't particularly slim and is describing himself as pompui, I of course try to reassure him that he isn't.  Whilst also suggesting that rather than pay for a gym membership which he isn't using, he might start by giving up all those sugary drinks.  

 

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, Boy69 said:

Thai boys don't like to walk at all even very short walks they will take some kind of transportation. They also don't like explosion to sun and sitting in the beach isn't attractive thing .

you are right , I had them asking for taxi on such short distances like Moonlight to Tarntawan or  Tawan to Chong Nonsi BTS.

On another hand I once took 30 seconds trip on motorsai taxi from Senso to Silom but it was for fun, he just stopped there to unload somebody and I asked

" how much to Silom ?" , 20, ok

[vinapu]

8 hours ago, z909 said:

he might start by giving up all those sugary drinks.  

 

is life worth living without those?

[Boy69]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

you are right , I had them asking for taxi on such short distances like Moonlight to Tarntawan or  Tawan to Chong Nonsi BTS.

On another hand I once took 30 seconds trip on motorsai taxi from Senso to Silom but it was for fun, he just stopped there to unload somebody and I asked

" how much to Silom ?" , 20, ok

You probably broke all time Thai record for the shortest motorsai ever made 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

is life worth living without those?

Life is far better without sugar added to everything.   

As far as I can see, the only useful purpose for sugar is for fermenting into alcohol.    In this case, it's still unhealthy, but there is some pleasure as compensation.  

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, z909 said:

Life is far better without sugar added to everything.   

 

better may be but definitely not sweet

[floridarob]

"Doctor, tell me, if I quit drinking will, will I live longer?"

"It will definitely feel longer. "