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7 hours ago, floridarob said:

Too bad no murder massage guy photos to see 😉

I don't think they would allow me to take pictures of the guys standing behind glass wall so didn't even ask.

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

I like guy in white shirt and knee revealing jeans sitting with the girl in 4part picture above

He's quite short and medium-built, appears to be the bar's regular. He talked loudly to performers during their performance and in English.

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55 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

The waiters are so my type. I will off them if I ever go there!

Most waiters belong to the twink tribes and they were smiling all the time.

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1 hour ago, Min said:

I contacted Dai Khmer (on the same street as Ganesh) on Grindr and they send me pictures of the available 5 masseurs.

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I like the one in red shirt. A taste check: @vinapu and @jason1975 which ones do you like? Jason, I think you could really use a week-end trip from Singapore to sample gay life and boys in Phnom Peng.

I like all 5! Maybe one weekend I shall go to Phnom Penh!

Posted
1 minute ago, vinapu said:

don't you guys have long weekends there?

Yes we have some long weekends when there's public holiday on Friday or Monday. But I much prefer to go to Bangkok to chat with the HotMale beer bar waiters!

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1 hour ago, Min said:

 

I contacted Dai Khmer (on the same street as Ganesh) on Grindr and they send me pictures of the available 5 masseurs.

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I like the one in red shirt. A taste check: @vinapu and @jason1975 which ones do you like? J

Red shirt (very kissable lips) and Tcano for the face, half- naked one for the body, one in glasses perhaps would do but hats and dark glasses are putting me off

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2 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

Yes we have some long weekends when there's public holiday on Friday or Monday. But I much prefer to go to Bangkok to chat with the HotMale beer bar waiters!

go with your heart desires but sometimes is good to discover new horizons. With suitable flight times ( morning out , evening return ), both Siem Reap and Phnom Penh are great long weekend destinations. And probably you don't need a visa

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On 6/21/2022 at 1:15 PM, Min said:

As mentioned in my first post here, I'm a long-time follower of this forum (going back around 15 years, on and off) but rarely posted anything because from the great fountain of information you guys shared, I don't think I have anything new to add. Once I started sharing (just three weeks ago), I found that I do and should have done it many years ago :) Although Jason1975 says I should write trip reports, I'm not really up to a full report so I just share tidbits of my Thailand trips and occasionally take a chance to give you some info about Vietnam's scene too since I'm mainly based in Vietnam.

I gonna start this tidbit thread with stories about a cheating mamasan in Toy Boys.

This week, I came directly to Pattaya from the Bangkok airport (using Nam taxi, 1000B, they gave me detailed instructions of how to find the driver: Arrival Hall, walk outside and find Entrance No 3, then look for a car plated XXYY). Staying in AIYAREE PLACE just across street from Jomtien Complex (spacious room with a double and also a single bed, which I can use for massage, a separated space with room apparatus, arm chairs and table, perfect for working remotely, swimming pool and small gym, included breakfast buffet and also 400B hotel credit for lunch/dinner in the in-house restaurant with a pretty good selection of Western and Thai food, all of these for just 1100B/night, also no problem with guests to the room)

Chatted with a boy on Blued for a massage deal. If I'm gonna meet a guy on app, I prefer if he can do massage and if I can just book for massage only first (in case the guy shows up and looks totally different from his picture). This guy seems professional with his itemized price list (shown in the picture). Some members may know him too (the one who keeps promoting his own laundry service all the time :) and I find it quite cute.

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He showed up, and just one look at him (small-built, slim fit, smooth skin, boyish look), I know I'm gonna follow up with some after-massage services. He's indeed professional, bringing everything (water-proof tarp, towel, a selection of massage oils, relaxing music, he just forgot candles hehe). He also speaks decent English (used to have some foreign boyfriends from China and Japan), so we chatted a lot during the session.

It turns out he used to work in Toy Boys in Boyztown about 4 years ago. My first visit of the bar many years ago left quite a bad taste in my mouth. 

I was greeted by this mamasan, who is Chinese-Vietnamese and can speak Mandarin, Vietnamese, Thai and English. It felt so good to talk to someone in my mother tongue in a foreign bar, so I sought advice from him about everything.

It was my last night in Pattaya and I liked 2 boys so decided (a first for me) to off both of them. Mamasan presented me with a handwritten bill including my drink, boy drinks, bar fines, boy's tips (1500 each) and also a charge for bar's short-time room (400 per boy). He told me he collected the boy's tips in advance just for safety and that even though I don't use the short time room at the bar, they still charge for it as a rule. I guess I was really naive at the time and probably trusted the bastard too much because he's Vietnamese too. To think that I even gave him a decent tip for all of his "troubles"!

Only when I was back to my hotel and talked more with the boys who spoke rather limited English, I found out that the short-time charges were totally bullshit. If I didn't leave town the next day, I would come back to the bar and raise the issue with the management. The next time I set foot in the bar (6 months later), I simply ignored that mamasan who recognized me instantly, refusing to speak to him even for seating or bill paying (kinda passive-agressively you must think). I became friend with another mamasan from Cambodia and had no problems since then.

So back to my massage, I asked Kiwi (the boy's nickname) why he quit, and he said he didn't like the working enviroment there and especially the mamasan, who cheated him out of his money so many times. Of course, it was the same guy. Turns out he cheated the customers and he cheated the boys too. 

Kiwi told me that many times that mamasan dealt with a customer (especially someone new to town) 2000 for ST and collected the money in advance but told the boy that the customer paid 1500 so the boy got back 1400 (minus his cut of 100). Kiwi said he never thought about asking the customers how much money they actually gave the mamasan. He only found out about this almost one year later, when a customer showed him a picture of the same handwritten bill I got, and funny enough, including the same bogus short-time room charge I had.

Kiwi also said even though he gave the mamasan his standard 100 cut every time, that one still tried to steer customers away from him (because some other boys would give mamasan 200 or even 300 cut), like telling the customer who wants a bottom that Kiwi only tops (FYI he can do both but prefer bottom position), or even saying that you need to be careful because he's kinda bad boy etc. 

Kiwi, too, only found out about this through customer feedback, and his story brought back another bad memory. 

That night, when I pointed to one of the two boys I later offed, who was standing quietly like a church mouse in a corner, Mamasan did say that boy only goes with lady customers. But because he was totally my type, I waived him in and later found out he's gay and can bottom (another red flag I should've paid attention to but I was too excited to have my first threesome ever at that point). Back at the hotel, I asked him why Mamasan said he only goes with ladies, he said he didn't know and he never went with women customers before.

Back again to my massage. Job done, I'm happy with the massage, after services and also the enlightening conversation we had, and gave him 2000 even though he only asked for 1500 tops.

Also because of this, I decided to go to Boyztown that evening and visit Toy Boys again (I walked past them a couple of weeks ago and saw they just re-opened with that cheating mamasan standing at the door), just so I have a chance to blow him off again hehe.

(to be continued)

Excellent report and I really appreciate it that you took the time to write and post it.

Posted
35 minutes ago, fedssocr said:

I was going to say "guide" sounds like a very generous description of this guy...

I think the guide is new. At the very least, u got yourself a young cute gay translator who will enter gay places with you, even the naked sauna hehe. I wish the guide will improve his knowledge on the scene, especially the opening and closing times as it seems that OP always seems to arrive at places near to closing or already closed. 

Posted
1 hour ago, spoon said:

At the very least, u got yourself a young cute gay translator who will enter gay places with you, even the naked sauna hehe.

advantage of going places with somebody is that if boys or mamasans are too aggressive we can always say " I'm with boyfriend today". I do it a lot, nobody believes but message is absorbed. 

"I like girls ' works the same way

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Asking the mamasan to go away usually works.   

 

 

Posted
15 hours ago, fedssocr said:

I was going to say "guide" sounds like a very generous description of this guy...

I would say "travel companion" or escort. To me, he's just a kid, so I'm gonna cut him some slack :)

14 hours ago, spoon said:

I think the guide is new. At the very least, u got yourself a young cute gay translator who will enter gay places with you, even the naked sauna hehe. 

Exactly. I'm his sixth customer.

13 hours ago, vinapu said:

"I like girls ' works the same way

Or "I'm into older guys" ;)

Posted
7 hours ago, spoon said:

Careful with this answer, the mamasan might offer himself lol

@spoon would you sleep with the pretty Freshboy mamasans if I offer you money to do do?

Posted
8 hours ago, Min said:

Or "I'm into older guys" ;)

that won't work in my case because this is what I'm into anyways, older than 25 preferably it's why reception never bothers my guests with ID check

8 hours ago, spoon said:

Careful with this answer, the mamasan might offer himself lol

in few cases it could work, not all of them are ladyboys after all

reminds me visit to New Twilight last trip when owner , quite young and handsome  guy told us " off 2 boys,  get one free and that will be me"

as for " I like girls " answer , no one else than famous Lucy in Lucky Boys told me' I'm a girl, take me" and THAT WAS SCARY!!!!

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