Min's tidbits about my Thailand and Vietnam experiences

[Min]

17 hours ago, vinapu said:

that won't work in my case because this is what I'm into anyways, older than 25 preferably it's why reception never bothers my guests with ID check

I mean “into guys older than myself”

17 hours ago, spoon said:

Unlikely lol 

Too bad. I plan to surprise her on her birthday, which by coincidence is the day you touch down in Bangkok

[a-447]

These trip reports about Phnom Penh bring back so many wonderful memories of past visits.

I have stayed at A&P on many occasions and thoroughly recommend it, although when I was there the staff never walked around in their underwear.

I used to go to nearby Hatha Khmer Massage every evening to meet up with Mr Bubblebutt - the cutest guy ever with the most magnificent butt imaginable. We flip-flopped for an hour - the price was US$45 which included entry fee, massage fee and $25 tip for the guy.

Then I'd head off into town for dinner and then walk straight to Space Bar where I spent the rest of the evening. And yes, most of the guys there are straight but some are up for some discreet fun in the bar. One of the waiters sat there with me every night and we had long groping sessions under the table. He was quite well-hung and hard as a rock but unfortunately, I never got to see his equipment. 

Min, your reports have now got me thinking about a return visit.

[vinapu]

4 hours ago, a-447 said:

 

Min, your reports have now got me thinking about a return visit.

Yes , Min should get award from PPTPB ( Phnom Penh Tourist Promotion Board )

[Min]

4 hours ago, a-447 said:

Then I'd head off into town for dinner and then walk straight to Space Bar where I spent the rest of the evening. And yes, most of the guys there are straight but some are up for some discreet fun in the bar. One of the waiters sat there with me every night and we had long groping sessions under the table. 

It looks like Space Bar been around for quite some time huh? When I was there, the bar owner was literally a few inches away, so I guess everyone behaved and didn't even talk about the prices  Had you ever engaged any boy's service from that bar (after hours of course)?

[a-447]

The bar owner is a lovely Spanish guy and his Cambodian partner works as the manager /part-time lady boy in the bar.

I never got around to taking a guy from Space Bar; they are mostly straight although that normally doesn't worry me at all. Maybe it was because I had already had some very energetic sex earlier in the night at Hatha Khmer Massage , or maybe it was because it was too late and I was too drunk. 

I'd really love to go back to Space Bar but I wonder if it world be as much fun as it was before.

BTW, a guy working there was also a pimp and offered to introduce me to someone for sex. I didn't take him up on his offer.

 

[vinapu]

3 hours ago, a-447 said:

 

I never got around to taking a guy from Space Bar........... maybe it was because it was too late and I was too drunk. 

 

what's your point ?  when is too late for taking boy ? and even if you are too drunk , after a while you will sober up, no?

[a-447]

7 hours ago, vinapu said:

what's your point ?  when is too late for taking boy ? and even if you are too drunk , after a while you will sober up, no?

I'm not a regular drinker - I usually stick to diet coke- but I got caught up in the atmosphere of the bar every night and drank way too much. And around closing time I had trouble keeping my eyes open so I don't think I would have been able to do much in bed.

Besides, I take my sexual adventures seriously and need to be in top form!  Lol

[Min]

(part 7)

We stayed and danced a bit in Heart of Darkness until 12.30 am (they even played some Vietnamese pop music mixed with Khmer and Chinese songs). Then we tuk-tuked back to A&P.

I gave Guide his money plus 10% tip and he was on his way. Dancer looked surprised. He thought Guide was gonna stay with us. What  did he expect of three of us doing together anyway? Guide provides guidance on how the f*cking should go for the two remaining lads? It looked like some messages were lost in translation again.

Since Dancer looked a bit uncomfortable, I asked if he wanted to leave. No, he can stay.  

So my Phnom Peng's short trip ended on a good note. I'm so glad I reached out to Dancer. We had a good time (I gave him the same amount I gave the waiter boy 50$ for ST), his body is that of a dancer: very firm, virtually no excess fat, with the kind of lean muscles you normally don't get through gym training (he told me he doesn't go to gym, just dance training and performance). His ties to Vietnam are fairly strong too. He had stayed in a relationship with a Vietnamese guy who went to Cambodia to work for almost 4 years then the latter broke up with him and came back to Vietnam to get married. Sad but pretty common (sometimes even expected) endings for gay couples in Vietnam.

Dancer said he noticed me when we were in POC that night. He asked Guide where I am from and Guide, obviously lying through his teeth, told Dancer he doesn't know (can't figure out why he lied anyway). So "I feel so good when I found out you are from Vietnam too," Dancer later told me.

There was something else. Guide told me Dancer worked in Toolbox way longer than he did so the former must be so used to taking customers, but Dancer told me no way, he was there to dance only because he was in an exclusive relationship with his Viet boyfriend at the time. I asked Guide if he actually saw Dancer going with customers back in Toolbox, he said no, "But I know everything. I used to work in the bar so I know about the situation." Well, the usual "he said, he said" case so I don't know who to believe, not that it matters anyway.

Dancer gave me a piece of intel: he is going to move to Thailand to work as a dancer in a new gay bar his former boss, Toolbox's owner, plans to open in Boyztown, Pattaya and it may happen as soon as this coming July. So guys, brace yourself  

The only note of regret is that I didn't have a chance to check out outdoor cruising venues (if any) as ChristianPFC reported some interesting encounter he had in Wat Botum park. Guide told me he's not aware of any such places in Phnom Peng, but now I've learned enough to NOT trust Guide's sources.

Speaking of outdoor cruising venues, there are quite a few place in both HCM City and Hanoi frequented by local gays and MBs as well, especially around certain public parks and suspended construction sites. 20 years ago, it was the only way for us to find MBs (now it's still there but on a more limited scale because of the apps).

There are currently 2 parks in Hanoi: Thong Nhat park and Hoa Binh park, the former located near the city center and much more accessible to foreigners. But I don't think first-time visitors (local or foreigner) should venture out there on your own without a local friend to "chaperone".

FYI: the on-going rate in these parks could be as low as 2 USD for an on-site bj, 5 USD for ST and 10 USD for LT (for comparisons, I already gave the apps rate in part 5). Boys are mostly straight, in their teens and early twenties, fresh from rural provinces, trying to make it in a big city.

Actually, since a picture's worth a thousand words, here are some taken in Thong Nhat park just a couple of weeks ago. All four boys in the pictures are MBs.

There are so many funny anecdotal stories about MBs and their customers in these parks.

An MB boy told me this: a middle-aged customer picked him up from Thong Nhat park and they went to a short-time hotel nearby by customer's motorbike. Boy was the driver, and Customer snuggled right behind him, hugging him tight, touching his genitals while they were on the way. Customer came before they even reached the hotel. So Boy just collected his fee and was on his way while Customer used the hotel to wash himself.

In another case, a pimp brought a new MB from the park to meet a customer located quite far away, also by motorbike (pimp would collect both his commission and transport fee in such a case). They got stopped by the traffic police for routine check. Boy, just arriving in the city a few days ago, got so scared at the sight of police, so he answered their simple question "Where do you guys go?" with this "I'm a first-time whore. This mister is taking me to go sucking some guy's dick"

I think I could write a whole book on those anecdotes

For Bangkok's Silom, I have two favorite "cruising" spots: The 7 Eleven in Wall Street Tower right before bar opening time and The Foodland restaurant in Patpong soi 2 right after bar closing time. For the former, you could get to meet boy bars having meals before work or smoking a cigarette and probably save them and yourself a trip to the bar (two boys in the picture below were from Fresh Boys, one was in their big cock show). For the latter, you could see some familiar faces with their catch of the night.

Anyway, back to Bangkok from Phnom Peng, the first thing I did was to go to Hotmale downstairs in early evening. Ordered a drink. Few minutes later, two staffers approached and asked me to settle a bet for them (their usual ice-breaking tactic I guess).

They tried to guess where I'm from. The taller one thought I'm Singaporean and the shorter one - Vietnamese. So Shortee won and I asked him how he knows I'm Vietnamese. He said something about skin complexion and facial features similar to one of the Viet boys in Fresh Boys. 

I bought them drinks and we talked. Shortee is from Laos, while the other - Cambodia. There are four regular boys working downstairs, but two were off today. So I took the chance to ask about the tiny Lao Vinapu mentioned so many times in his  recent reports. "Must be me" Shortee said, "I'm the only Lao working here and I've been here for a long time". I did a double take. He's not that tiny and not that clingy either.

He then asked "Who's your friend who's talking about me?" Well, I never meet Vinapu, so I grasped at "Mr KFC look" straws. It immediately struck some bells. "Oh that one" He whipped out his phone, scanning through it, then showed me a picture of him and a gentleman being very clingy to each other.

First time I saw Vinapu's picture, ever. Being a longtime fan of the Big Bang Theory series, my first thought was: Nobel prize winner in Physics, not Mr. KFC (though I can see where that KFC label comes from). Either way, he is obviously someone when you meet, it would be hard for you to forget.

Then I asked if they remember @jason1975 too, the guy from Singapore. Of course, "he was here two weeks ago, he's very nice". Then I took the chance to remind Shortee that they were not very nice to him when all turned down his offer for karaoke. Shortee looked apologetic "We were busy..."

I also asked if they remember paulsf, "guy from America, quite close to Viet boys in Fresh Boys, he always sat here".

Shortee checked his phone again and produced a picture of another gentleman, who looks handsome but kinda stern. I met Paul so I'm sure it wasn't him. "But this guy comes here a lot too," Shortee said.

Well, if I have to match that picture with someone well-known in this forum who also frequents Hotmale downstairs, I would say @reader. His writing style (concise and to the point, careful choice of words, often politically correct) give me the impression of a college professor who tend to plan ahead, is serious and committed to what (or whom) he's doing (Vinapu sounds like someone who could be in academia too, but could also equally and easily get sidetracked for, his words not mine, "a bit of whoring")

(Sorry, I'm not sure if it's appropriate to openly talk about my impressions of you guys like this in my thread. If you are offended, let me know.)

Now, we get to know each other a bit better, I finally got Vinapu's comment about Shortee being clingy. Since that first meeting, anytime I walked by Hotmale and if Shortees saw me, he would rush out, clutch my hand and asked where I'm going. He quickly took to holding me and gently planting a peck on my neck many times while we were talking. @vinapu had he ever left you a hickey?

After Hotmale, I decided to go back to M-star Massage in Silom Soi 6 because earlier when walking by I spotted a very cute and boyish masseur on duty. Since Jason1975 reported that the shop used a rotation system and did not allow customers to choose masseur, I'll see if I could strong-will them into letting me pick whoever I want. If I can't, they won't have my business for sure.

(to be continued)   

[flashbarryallen]

I think the boys of HotMale downstairs and stories of this forum exchanged there will need a whole separate thread soon. I have @jason1975to thank for introducing me to the guys of this place. I'm doing everything I can to keep chaste eyes when it comes to Alex. He and I always have nice chats, though.

There's a new Lao guy who has either joined the team already or will be starting soon. I can tell he will be popular, especially with his good beginning level of English, and for mostly non-farang, love of kpop. I was surprised how knowledgeable he was on earlier waves of kpop and enjoyed my conversation with him on the topic.

 

[Min]

1 hour ago, flashbarryallen said:

I'm doing everything I can to keep chaste eyes when it comes to Alex. He and I always have nice chats, though.

There was a birthday party going on in Hotmale downstairs a couple of days ago. I heard the birthday boy is Alex.

[flashbarryallen]

21 minutes ago, Min said:

There was a birthday party going on in Hotmale downstairs a couple of days ago. I heard the birthday boy is Alex.

Yes! I heard about that and Alex got VERY drunk apparently...maybe 12 shots. Too bad @jason1975wasn't there to take care of him or start the body shots. 

[vinapu]

8 hours ago, Min said:

 

First time I saw Vinapu's picture, ever. Being a longtime fan of the Big Bang Theory series, my first thought was: Nobel prize winner in Physics, not Mr. KFC (though I can see where that KFC label comes from).

I can live with that, I definitely can

8 hours ago, Min said:

Vinapu sounds like someone who could be in academia too

as professor or janitor ?

8 hours ago, Min said:

(Sorry, I'm not sure if it's appropriate to openly talk about my impressions of you guys like this in my thread. If you are offended, let me know.)

 

I , for one , had fun reading it and no I'm not offended at all. About reader , if that was him , I let him have a word if he chooses to. There are few who  frequent that  bar regularly and not necessarily they must he heard from on this forum so don't assume he was one from us here .

I 'm not fun fan of boys showing our pictures  to other patrons  but realize not much can be done about that and we can be guilty of the same sin from time to time.

with all fun I have reading your report I must say that posting picture of two guys eating in front of 7/11 with faces visible and identifying them as bar boys from Fresh Boys crossed the line. I don't think it should be done in the  open forum IMNSHO

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

I 'm not fun fan of boys showing our pictures  to other patrons  but realize not much can be done about that and we can be guilty of the same sin from time to time.

We need to accept that can happen, although I've never seen them doing it.    Many are extremely discrete, often not even directly mentioning that they have other customers.

Those who do have a problem with this know which bar to avoid.

 

 

[Min]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

posting picture of two guys eating in front of 7/11 with faces visible and identifying them as bar boys from Fresh Boys crossed the line. I don't think it should be done in the  open forum IMNSHO

Duly noted. I tried to edit the post and replace the picture with a more discreet version, but it looks like I can no longer make any changes. I'll be more careful in the future.

  

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

I 'm not fun fan of boys showing our pictures  to other patrons  but realize not much can be done about that and we can be guilty of the same sin from time to time.

Tiny Lao did ask to take my picture too, and I of course said no

 

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

as professor or janitor ?

How about a professor who's fooling around with an ex-convict janitor?

 

 

 

 

[reader]

“Shortee checked his phone again and produced a picture of another gentleman, who looks handsome but kinda stern. I met Paul so I'm sure it wasn't him. "But this guy comes here a lot too," Shortee said.”

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Handsome?

Definitely not me.

[vinapu]

44 minutes ago, z909 said:

We need to accept that can happen, although I've never seen them doing it.    Many are extremely discrete, often not even directly mentioning that they have other customers.

 

I agree , boys are very discrete even or rather particularly  in respect of customers they know are known to us. I can recall only one exception and even that it was not revealing anything  sensitive.

I never had a case of boy showing me somebody's picture other than their friends or family members but know a case from few years ago (BBB Inn was still operating) when guy I recommended to our member  showed  him for some reason non-compromising  pics of  his client and that upset him to a point he called meeting over and reported it to me

[vinapu]

16 minutes ago, Min said:

Duly noted. I tried to edit the post and replace the picture with a more discreet version, but it looks like I can no longer make any changes. I'll be more careful in the future.

  ...........

Tiny Lao did ask to take my picture too, and I of course said no

............

How about a professor who's fooling around with an ex-convict janitor?

 

if you ask TotallyOz he will be  able  to remove that phrase " (two boys in the picture below were from Fresh Boys, one was in their big cock show)" from the narrative.

Yes we need to be careful as it's possible bar owners and employees may be looking at this forum or somebody may be showing interesting pieces to them . 

Nothing compromising is going on at HotMale beer bar  so not much harm could be done if he did but better be careful.

 

As long as professorial part is there , I'm happy

[vinapu]

13 minutes ago, reader said:

“Shortee checked his phone again and produced a picture of another gentleman, who looks handsome but kinda stern. I met Paul so I'm sure it wasn't him. "But this guy comes here a lot too," Shortee said.”

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Handsome?

Definitely not me.

some people are soooooo modest

[gayinpattaya]

13 hours ago, Min said:

 

Dancer gave me a piece of intel: he is going to move to Thailand to work as a dancer in a new gay bar his former boss, Toolbox's owner, plans to open in Boyztown, Pattaya and it may happen as soon as this coming July. So guys, brace yourself  

 

I can assure you Doug, the owner of Toolbox has no intention of opening a bar in BoyzTown. The dancer you met is a lovely guy who I believe will be arriving in Pattaya very soon, as with many of the Toolbox boys & dancers. One arrived yesterday. 

Toolbox was the best bar in Cambodia, probably Asia. Anyone excited for it's return should be looking in the direction of Jomtien Complex. Quite honestly, I can't wait and I really hope it happens very soon.   

[jason1975]

12 hours ago, flashbarryallen said:

Yes! I heard about that and Alex got VERY drunk apparently...maybe 12 shots. Too bad @jason1975wasn't there to take care of him or start the body shots. 

How I wish I was there! Such a charming polite and cheerful young man. I hope to bring him to karaoke one day!

[Min]

7 hours ago, gayinpattaya said:

I can assure you Doug, the owner of Toolbox has no intention of opening a bar in BoyzTown. Anyone excited for it's return should be looking in the direction of Jomtien Complex.

I stand corrected. And also Jomtien Complex makes more sense. I guess the dancer was probably confused. He might think Pattaya means Boyztown. At any rate, I'm going to be there to support the new bar when it opens.

10 hours ago, reader said:

“Shortee checked his phone again and produced a picture of another gentleman, who looks handsome but kinda stern.

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Handsome?

Definitely not me.

You are probably right. It could be your twin brother too.

10 hours ago, vinapu said:

I never had a case of boy showing me somebody's picture other than their friends or family members 

11 hours ago, z909 said:

We need to accept that can happen, although I've never seen them doing it.  

I didn't ask Tiny Lao for anyone's pictures anyway. He just volunteered to show them. But I think he meant well. In my culture and probably that of Laos too, we tend to be more lax about privacy so we might unknowingly offend people from other cultures. Likewise, his propensity for hugging may also be interpreted as personal space violation by others too.

[flashbarryallen]

21 hours ago, Min said:

After Hotmale, I decided to go back to M-star Massage in Silom Soi 6 because earlier when walking by I spotted a very cute and boyish masseur on duty. Since Jason1975 reported that the shop used a rotation system and did not allow customers to choose masseur, I'll see if I could strong-will them into letting me pick whoever I want. If I can't, they won't have my business for sure.

I'm so curious to hear your update on this. I passed by there and was close to giving it a shot, but then I reread what @jason1975wrote and decided to give it a pass, but I'm hoping he just happened to be there at a peak time. When I walked by, there were quite a few guys sitting outside.

[reader]

15 minutes ago, Min said:

In my culture and probably that of Laos too, we tend to be more lax about privacy so we might unknowingly offend people from other cultures. Likewise, his propensity for hugging may also be interpreted as personal space violation by others too.

I don’t believe any harm done. He’s a warm and friendly young man and you’re cultural comments are well taken. As visitors, we need ro be aware of differences.

It does, however, serve as a reminder that when we’re out in public we’re always being observed. 

Or in Vinapu’s case, even when he was in private room, we need to check that any devices are not active:

[Guest]

Whilst I've never seen Khmer, Laos or Thai boys share pictures of customers, or heard them mention other customers, of course they are not always as discrete as we would be.

One Lao lad had a video chat with his mother, when we were in bed in Pattaya.

Another one started videoing activities in bed, in Pakse.   I wasn't too happy about that.

A third Lao boy was just about to call his friend when we were together in my room.   His friend just happened to be the previous visitor to my room.   I suspect this is more than coincidence.

 

[kjun12]

On 6/30/2022 at 3:19 PM, a-447 said:

These trip reports about Phnom Penh bring back so many wonderful memories of past visits.

Perhaps you could think about posting in the proper forum.  This is a Thailand forum.

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by kjun12
I think my comment is inappropriiate.