7:30pm Arrival to GIG on Friday; will I make it to the Saunas?

[Latbear4blk]

8 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

I don’t know how you compare DC (first world) and Rio or Buenos Aires  (third world) residents drinking bottled water to make the argument for drinking tap water in Brazil - but whatever works.  I can’t ever remember a hotel in any major American city saying don’t drink the water.  In a Brazil, it’s common.

I wouldn’t touch Brazilian tap water personally - but I also always use condoms too, so there’s that.  I don’t take risks when an easy sure-thing solution is available and not cost-prohibitive.  Last time I checked bottled water & condoms are not expensive 

Good for you!

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

Good for you!

Thanks !   

As you may recall - this thread started w the OP wondering if he could make it to the sauna on same night when arriving at 7;30p from an international flight.

I suggested since the OP is a bottom with a big dick fetish looking for bareback sex, it might be appropriate to douche before arrival at sauna and perhaps using bottled water is a better way to avoid complications with possible contaminated Rio tap water.  It was a suggestion to avoid potential problems - like not wearing expensive jewelry in Rio.  Obvious to most, but not all.

if guys want to go saunas with dirty hole, unprepared, using water that may not be safe - then go for it.  Likewise, bareback sex is a person decision and that’s a “go for it too”.  

Bad decision making is typically not a singular event, but more like a pattern with most people so whatever else bad happens as a result, I wouldn’t be surprised.  Then guys wonder why something bad happened to them Brazil.  It’s not mysterious.

[Half-vaccinated]

6 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

 

Bad decision making is typically not a singular event, but more like a pattern with most people so whatever else bad happens as a result, I wouldn’t be surprised.  Then guys wonder why something bad happened to them Brazil.  It’s not mysterious.

Ha ha ha. 

[davet]

On 5/24/2022 at 2:57 AM, Slvkguy said:

Just google it - you will find a variety of opinions from Brazilians and foreigners in Brazil.  Some swear water ok to drink & others equally adamant never drink the water.  I’ve always been told by the hotels no.  Others may have different experiences.  When in doubt, why risk it ?

I wouldn't chug tap water. But how can you stay away from the juices? It's the second best thing about Brazil. Caju, caja, graviola, maracuja, manga, mora, abacaxi ... One of the juice joints around the corner from 117 also has a hot guy behind the counter.

[Canadianbtmguy]

Just an update, I probably should have a more organized trip report rather than keep going under this thread

After a lackluster Sat-Sun-Mon, Tuesday was back to old form at 117. Like old times, wait for a room at peak time (not so long though, maybe 15 min). The thing that has surprised me most on this trip is that most of the hotties are the same ones as pre-pandemic and few new ones. Tuesday there was one new stunning body, beautiful face, modest cock (about 7). Basically made out with him passionately for 45 min (amazing kisser!). At one point he put on a condom and fucked a little, but not his forte and went back to making out. Another west-african looking guy, amazing body, beautiful face, not quite as eager a kisser but still great. (Would only fuck with condom that night but last night he accepted that I was on PrEP and did it bare, meeting him again tonight) ANd one rather plain skinny white boy with a huge dick, maybe tired by 9pm, but basically wanted me to do all the work, good not great.

Wednesday I was expecting a big night at 202. Only one guy with a really good body (a long-time veteran) and as I recall not that good in bed. Didnt have any. Last night thursday so-so at 117, went with the guy from tuesday. Tonight (Friday) my recollection was that Fri is a 202 night (no?) but this guy says that it's 117 tonight so will go there.

Besides him, the best part of the trip has been great (free) sex with several 25-30ish guys from Grindr who are kind of out of my league. Happens sometimes elsewhere, but not several in one week. The one yesterday wanted to meet me in front of his hotel, which I though the chance of success was surely below 10%, that in the full sunlight and with plenty of time to reject me it would be a no-go. But in fact, awesome hour-long sex. Been meaning to check out the online escorts but I've been so busy.

[babybear2]

2 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

Just an update, I probably should have a more organized trip report rather than keep going under this thread

After a lackluster Sat-Sun-Mon, Tuesday was back to old form at 117. Like old times, wait for a room at peak time (not so long though, maybe 15 min). The thing that has surprised me most on this trip is that most of the hotties are the same ones as pre-pandemic and few new ones. Tuesday there was one new stunning body, beautiful face, modest cock (about 7). Basically made out with him passionately for 45 min (amazing kisser!). At one point he put on a condom and fucked a little, but not his forte and went back to making out. Another west-african looking guy, amazing body, beautiful face, not quite as eager a kisser but still great. (Would only fuck with condom that night but last night he accepted that I was on PrEP and did it bare, meeting him again tonight) ANd one rather plain skinny white boy with a huge dick, maybe tired by 9pm, but basically wanted me to do all the work, good not great.

Wednesday I was expecting a big night at 202. Only one guy with a really good body (a long-time veteran) and as I recall not that good in bed. Didnt have any. Last night thursday so-so at 117, went with the guy from tuesday. Tonight (Friday) my recollection was that Fri is a 202 night (no?) but this guy says that it's 117 tonight so will go there.

Besides him, the best part of the trip has been great (free) sex with several 25-30ish guys from Grindr who are kind of out of my league. Happens sometimes elsewhere, but not several in one week. The one yesterday wanted to meet me in front of his hotel, which I though the chance of success was surely below 10%, that in the full sunlight and with plenty of time to reject me it would be a no-go. But in fact, awesome hour-long sex. Been meaning to check out the online escorts but I've been so busy.

Definitely many long-time veterans. and we need more new faces 

[Riobard]

23 hours ago, davet said:

I wouldn't chug tap water. But how can you stay away from the juices? It's the second best thing about Brazil. Caju, caja, graviola, maracuja, manga, mora, abacaxi ... One of the juice joints around the corner from 117 also has a hot guy behind the counter.

I think that could be at Hobby, Gloria 268. I forgot to look for him this year following a 3-year absence but I think he typically worked 07:00-15:30 and I would pass by later afternoon to 117  the recent trip. Shame he didn’t just pick up a second lucrative “job” so close by. Surely his braces would be off by now. Just as well I did not get afflicted with renewed painful yearning. Though I may look again properly this summer. His father and very pretty sister also worked there. 

[Canadianbtmguy]

Maybe better to stick to the saunas....After kind of a boring saturday at 117 and having skipped last night (sunday) because it was quiet, I thought I would try my hand at the online escorts. Bad experience, probably mostly my fault. After looking through the various websites, I contacted about 10, of which 3-4 responded, none seemed particularly friendly or keen on the slow suave sex that I like. So many on grindr, one I contacted accidentally (accidentally in the sense that I Grind for free guys, and some profiles it is clear that they are GP, but this one it was not suggested). He looked a little older, which I am fine with, and otherwise super my type and was keen to do what I wanted. I know it's safer to hire off the websites because there there is at least the guys contact info and some trace of him, whereas someone can just disappear from Grindr.

So yes I invited him to my AIrbnb price was 250 reais, we were supposed to meet in front of the building. He says no I'll just come up, what is the room number. I told him the room number (huge mistake) but I said meet me downstairs, do not contact the doorman, just tell me a few minutes before you arrive and I will wait for you outside. Well, knock at door and I look through the peephole and it is him (or, rather not the him of the pictures, which must have been 10 years old, but an out of shape version of him, he looks really bad). I really did not know what to do, I don;t have any experience with this. He surely didnt want to meet outside because he looked nothing like the pictures. I didnt know what to do, I didnt answer the door. Through the ap, I asked him if he was outside, he said I had given him the wrong apartment number, I said that was my friend;'s aprtment, I said he had ruined the plan by coming up and now my boyfriend found it. Naively I hoped he would go away. The doorman called on the interphone (I didn't answer, how could I communicate?)

He keeps threatening to call the police (for what?) if I don't come down and pay him. He then switched to if I didnt come down he would hurt me. I said I would pay him through an app. Then he said he's going to have the building superintendant come to the apartment (for what offense?). A guy who I guess is the supe knocks on the door, I don't answer (what would I say?) I finally convince him to accept payment online (I guess he's still in the lobby) and now he demands I send him 400, then 500. He accuses me of doing this to other GPs and says I should be punished, that he will call the police because gringos should know that sexual tourism is illegal. I send him 250 plus 15 for uber and I close the ap. I'm sure that when I reopen it there will be 30 messages on there threatening me and demanding the rest.

I feel so burned because it was he who was so at fault by misrepresenting himself, yet I paid the full price and I am afraid to leave the apartment for fear of getting beaten up. Yeah, I think I will stick to the saunas (and yes, the non-paid Grindr hookups)

[Lonnie]

37 minutes ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

didnt come down he would hurt me

So sorry you ran into this creep...what a truly horrible event. Are you on an extended stay agreement? If not I would change places quickly.

[babybear2]

1 hour ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

Maybe better to stick to the saunas....After kind of a boring saturday at 117 and having skipped last night (sunday) because it was quiet, I thought I would try my hand at the online escorts. Bad experience, probably mostly my fault. After looking through the various websites, I contacted about 10, of which 3-4 responded, none seemed particularly friendly or keen on the slow suave sex that I like. So many on grindr, one I contacted accidentally (accidentally in the sense that I Grind for free guys, and some profiles it is clear that they are GP, but this one it was not suggested). He looked a little older, which I am fine with, and otherwise super my type and was keen to do what I wanted. I know it's safer to hire off the websites because there there is at least the guys contact info and some trace of him, whereas someone can just disappear from Grindr.

So yes I invited him to my AIrbnb price was 250 reais, we were supposed to meet in front of the building. He says no I'll just come up, what is the room number. I told him the room number (huge mistake) but I said meet me downstairs, do not contact the doorman, just tell me a few minutes before you arrive and I will wait for you outside. Well, knock at door and I look through the peephole and it is him (or, rather not the him of the pictures, which must have been 10 years old, but an out of shape version of him, he looks really bad). I really did not know what to do, I don;t have any experience with this. He surely didnt want to meet outside because he looked nothing like the pictures. I didnt know what to do, I didnt answer the door. Through the ap, I asked him if he was outside, he said I had given him the wrong apartment number, I said that was my friend;'s aprtment, I said he had ruined the plan by coming up and now my boyfriend found it. Naively I hoped he would go away. The doorman called on the interphone (I didn't answer, how could I communicate?)

He keeps threatening to call the police (for what?) if I don't come down and pay him. He then switched to if I didnt come down he would hurt me. I said I would pay him through an app. Then he said he's going to have the building superintendant come to the apartment (for what offense?). A guy who I guess is the supe knocks on the door, I don't answer (what would I say?) I finally convince him to accept payment online (I guess he's still in the lobby) and now he demands I send him 400, then 500. He accuses me of doing this to other GPs and says I should be punished, that he will call the police because gringos should know that sexual tourism is illegal. I send him 250 plus 15 for uber and I close the ap. I'm sure that when I reopen it there will be 30 messages on there threatening me and demanding the rest.

I feel so burned because it was he who was so at fault by misrepresenting himself, yet I paid the full price and I am afraid to leave the apartment for fear of getting beaten up. Yeah, I think I will stick to the saunas (and yes, the non-paid Grindr hookups)

omg, two horrible stories in a day, feel bad for you, do not get scared, if possible, just move to a new airBnb, this guy cannot find you anymore 

Grinder ads is the worst kind, full of people with flake photoes. I hired a couple from grotoal local,  they even look better in person. But again, also need to very careful with online ads

[Latbear4blk]

NEVER CLOSE A DEAL WITHOUT A VIDEOCONFERENCE CALL

[SolaceSoul]

4 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

he will call the police because gringos should know that sexual tourism is illegal.

But it’s not. Not in Brazil, at least. 

[Canadianbtmguy]

Just a little update...

SO when I opened Grindr again after an hour expecting to find dozens of messages with threats if I didnt pay him the full "penalty fare" there were only 7 and pretty subdued (i.e., no threats of violence) Surely, I am not the first to be deeply disappointed by his appearance and hopefully he feels grateful to get the utterly undeserved 265. Oddly his messages truly seemed outraged although maybe it is all a farce. 

Luckily, he has the distance on on his grindr, so when I could tell he was back home, I left, went to the gym and dinner and made it back without event. I thought about changing accomodation, I have 3 nights left in Rio including tonight, I'm still open to the idea, I'm thinking he's mollified and if he's not the cameras and the rather flimsy doorman would deter him from breaking down my door in the middle of the night, but maybe that is wishful thinking of the same kind that lulled me into inviting him over in the first place.

Can't help the self-recrimination of the bad judgment I displayed in getting involved with this guy. I knew, knew, knew not to hire guys from Grindr where they can disappear without a trace, when there are ones with websites, videos, reviews, everything. I feel really bad that I have incentivized this fraudster and bully to keep at this, by giving him 265 reais. Really, I don't even fault the fraud aspect so much, if he would just politely accept that a lot of guys are not going to be into him (some would still be) and politely accept no for an answer. Really, its the bullying that is the most offensive. I'm kind of chanelling fears of the sissy grammar school me in fear of the playground bully. At first I had offered him 50 reais by ap "for his inconvenience" (Ha--what about my inconvenience!?) but it was only after the threats of hurting me that I acquiesced in the 265. That's some really bad incentives there.

I'm curious about the counterfactual...what if I had opened the door... What if I had gone through with it? After all, he was no longer the super hottie of the pics, he was an utterly  ordinary-looking middle aged man with a purportedly 9 incher. I have nonpaid hookups with ordinary-looking guys with big cocks from Grindr all the time, satisfyingly. It was quite a shock and disappointment, when I was expecting a hottie, but should I swallowed that and just gone ahead with it, would it have at least avoided this bad scene? My guess is that he may not have 9 inches, it would not have been the kind of sex I wanted, and, who knows, maybe he would have robbed me or assaulted me.

I can't say it has ruined my trip exactly, but I would say it has turned a trip that was so far in the "very good" range (although maybe lacking of the real "peak experiences" in some but not all of my past trips to Rio) into a trip that "had its ups and downs"

[Vanbcanthony]

So sorry to hear about your ordeal. I suppose that's one of the benefits of meeting guys at a sauna. Do you think it might help if you didn't post your face online? If you didn't, how would the GP know which one was you? After all, GP doesn't go with the clients based on their looks but how much they can pay. 

I doubt you would enjoy the session had you decided to go through it all with him. After all, paid gigs carry certain expectations, and human beings can be slaves to our expectations. 

I'm sure some overperformers will soon erase your memory of this bad apple.  

[floridarob]

14 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

what if I had opened the door.

No, you did right by not opening the door....I wouldn't have sent money though. I would've told him he doesn't look like his picture and he should go to confession at church and ask for forgiveness, lol

He would just go away....

[Riobard]

Oh no, not the old peephole distortion miscommunication …too soon?

[Guest]

On 5/30/2022 at 7:09 PM, Canadianbtmguy said:

Can't help the self-recrimination of the bad judgment

I’m sure I’ll be the bad guy here - your posts are full of bad judgement & bad decisions from the start of your trip.  This was predictable.

Among the many bad choices, I knew there was trouble on the horizon when specifically seeking out escorts for bareback sex -  it’s not like you’re gonna get the cream of the crop.  That’s asking for trouble and specifically looking for people that don’t give a shit about their own bodies. Why would they care about you ?  Just another obviously dumb gringo that they can rob, bully & intimidate. 

On 5/25/2022 at 9:46 AM, Slvkguy said:

Bad decision making is typically not a singular event, but more like a pattern with most people so whatever else bad happens as a result, I wouldn’t be surprised.  Then guys wonder why something bad happened to them Brazil.  It’s not mysterious

this isn’t about sex-shaming, being a prude or saying “I told you so”
This is supposed to be a forum to share advice in how to avoid these exact kind of situations. Using commons sense & appropriate precautions while still getting what you want.  When gringos decide to ignore all of the basics in Brazil, then don’t be surprised when you land in an uncomfortable & perhaps dangerous situation.  Is that really worth it ? And 99% of the time it’s completely avoidable by a slightly different choice.  

[Canadianbtmguy]

I Skipped Sunday and Monday at the saunas because the previous week they were lackluster. Tuesday was pretty good at 117, especially if it would be your first time there. Basically, what I am looking for is guys so far out of my league that I really have no hope of getting for free on Grindr. For me this means tall(ish), muscular, handsome. Certainly hung is preferable, but particularly if he has a beautiful face and is into kissing then I am game (hopefully as an amuse bouche, followed by a hung chaser after). That night I would say there were 6 such guys. Two I had been with pre-pandemic and were some combination of small dicks and bad lays (my compliments to one of them, who unlike most of the guys I saw there 5-6 years ago when I first went, looks as fresh faced and hot-bodied as when I first saw him...sour attitude unchanged as well.) Third one was a guy--I'd say the best looking of all--who I had the so passionate makeout session with the previous tuesday (smallish and pretty limp dick though); I was open to, but not dying for, a repeat, and he seemed to be getting one client after the next. Fourth was the West African-looking guy, who I had been withe the previous tuesday as well as friday and saturday, if I am not mistaken. After really a really great time tuesday and friday, way worse on saturday, not only was he soft, but the passionate kissing of tuesday and friday was all but gone. Earlier in the evening, I had asked him how long he had been working there, he said 5 years, and I asked him if he was tired of it and he said Siiiim. Then, during our encounter I said he seemed bored or tired, and he gave a look like, yes it's true. He seemed kind of tired tuesday so I thought I would save him for wednesday, my last night in hopes he would be back in good form. (as it turned out, he didnt come). At present, at least if you can get him on a good night, he is the best (and sadly, really only that I saw on this trip), combination of beautiful body, very handsome face, big dick and passionate kissing and performance. You can easily identify him because he is by far the darkest guy there, and inexpicably I never saw him go with another client. (maybe the two are related?). Fifth hottie was clothed and ensconced with a client against the wall, did not seem available. Last hottie, with perhaps the most beautiful face of all but not a smile to be seen, when questioned said he had 18cm (he certainly wasn't showing it off) said he wasn't into kissing or condomless. I could have just tossed the $30 on the maybe 10% chance he would be enjoyable in spite of himself, but I passed.

 

202 on wednesday my last night; it was certainly busy, but alas, not really any top of the line guys. My FOMO is telling me that these have moved to the internet. Sauna veterans may recall the guy with the wings tatooed on his back, who was a regular in the years before the pandemic, as the kind of guy I am talking about. Beautiful body, pleasant face, 9 inches and friendly (he wasn't the best lay, a reluctant kisser and really only wanted to do it doggie and would get soft in other positions, but still I would go with him at least once every trip). Sadly nothing along those lines

 

I would say at the moment that the 117 is markedly superior in quality. In my experience 117 better every night except monday and wednesday, which could effect one's choice of accomodation. Sunday and Monday are pretty skippable. Try to time arrivals to arrive tuesdays.

 

For those who like to look at the kind of men I wish were at the sauna, I can't recommend Forma Fitness (Copacabana) enough. These are tall, big machos with bulging biceps, many in their 30s (which I prefer), maybe not the most chiseled abs but just super testosterone-y. If I was more forward with strangers, I would be tempted to see where I could get with them. ALso has excellent airconditioning. A decouvrir.

 

My last recommendation is Slow Bakery in Botafogo (supposedly also in Ipanema). Top quality 21st century bakery. California-quality sourdough olive bread and pains au chocolat.

 

On my flight now to VCP (yeah, I know, but the days of the $50 sdu-cgh appear to be long gone) so I will put my SP observations in a new thread.

 

[Canadianbtmguy]

On 5/30/2022 at 6:26 PM, Latbear4blk said:

NEVER CLOSE A DEAL WITHOUT A VIDEOCONFERENCE CALL

Do you think the guys advertising on websites are open to this?

They might be wary of time wasters (but it can certainly help the client feel more secure)

[Latbear4blk]

3 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

Do you think the guys advertising on websites are open to this?

They might be wary of time wasters (but it can certainly help the client feel more secure)

I ask them for a short vc, just to close the deal. When they refuse, I move to the next one. 

[Novarunner]

2 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

I ask them for a short vc, just to close the deal. When they refuse, I move to the next one. 

I couldn’t agree more.  I’ve now also had two guys beat me to the punch and ask me for vc before agreeing to meet.  That’s definitely something I have only experienced in Brazil and never in Thailand.

I need to start planning my next trip.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

I ask them for a short vc, just to close the deal. When they refuse, I move to the next one.

This is good advice @Latbear4blk

However, when in São Paulo - why not just go to Lagoa ?  
Make it easy and avoid all the online back/forth & potential danger of an unknown person in an unknown place.  That’s the whole point of a Brazilian GP sauna like Lagoa- it’s a ten minute Uber from most Jardins hotels and was crowded at opening times when I was there recently.  It’s the best place to start in SP with little to no hassle.

 

[Canadianbtmguy]

12 hours ago, Novarunner said:

I couldn’t agree more.  I’ve now also had two guys beat me to the punch and ask me for vc before agreeing to meet.  That’s definitely something I have only experienced in Brazil and never in Thailand.

I need to start planning my next trip.

Do you think they did this for safety purposes, or to assess your looks to see if there could be good/bad chemistry that could affect their performance?

I had some conversations with a sauna guy who speaks good English, a small twink probably not much over 100 pounds, and I asked him if he advertised online and he said no, I asked him why and he said 2 reasons, one he was satisfied with how many clients he was getting in the sauna, and two, being a small guy he liked the safety of the sauna. This may go some ways to help explain why there seem to be a preponderance of small guys in the sauna. Although these safety factors would have been relevant too in the past, when it seemed like there were more bigger GPs in the sauna....

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

This may go some ways to help explain why there seem to be a preponderance of small guys in the sauna

there’s not a “preponderance” of small guys at Lagoa - there’s every type w several big built guys. there’s a functional gym area there and you’ll probably see some of the bigger guys perfomatively working out.  And there’s a glass shower in the main bar with various types showing the goods.  I was surprised at the number of big built guys at Lagoa - certainly enough options for most to begin an exploration of SP.  Lots of clients meet guys at Lagoa then take them elsewhere once the safety concern is overcome.  Lagoa opens at 3p every day.  This is not complicated.  
Rio seems to have more favelado types at the saunas there - most likely bc proximity of favelas to the saunas. SP is the opposite - favelas are not close by.

 

[Novarunner]

8 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

Do you think they did this for safety purposes, or to assess your looks to see if there could be good/bad chemistry that could affect their performance?

I’ve written other posts about this before but the short version is that I enjoy and have had success hunting guys that are exactly what I am into on IG (and to a lesser extent Twitter) while in Brazil.  Side note, at least in my experience, this is not a thing that works anywhere else in the world other than Brazil.  In both cases, the guys that requested video chat from me I initially crossed paths with on IG and, yes, I think they wanted to confirm that they were not dealing with somebody that looked like Baron Harkonnen before agreeing to get naked together.

Strange question: Are my posts difficult to translate into another language?  I suspect that they are.