Lesson learned

[Guest]

I think the bottom line is that nothing should be posted here that could somehow be used to identify any specific people. Whether they are sex-workers, members of this forum or anyone else.  Given what happened, I wouldn’t even direct anyone to publicly available information like GarotoComLocal, VivaLocal, rentmen, OF or similar.  Unfortunately, it’s impossible to predict how the information can be used or twisted.

Obviously, there are some people who can access these restricted forums that are using information posted here to harass sex-workers, middlemen (Manny) and members.  

FYI - the guy who scammed me said he was arriving in São Paulo today, that’s why he as so focused on getting the information last week.I’d bet all that is fake and he just gets off on other peoples stories and then further gets off on contacting the sex-workers knowing particular information.  He even called the garoto after texting a bunch of questions.  
I’ve seen members post similar stories about scammers contacting Manny asking from pictures and long involved questions & they never even go to DR.  So, it’s the same pattern and is a problem here. Likely there is more than one person using the forum this way.

Looking back - I was enthusiastic about participating here  and finally being able to “repay” some of the members who file trip reports that I’ve enjoyed in the past.  I got several kind private messages from members expressing appreciation and I was happy to have contributed in some small way.  

The takeaway is that finding & procuring guys is very personal & private.  In São Paulo for example, there are literally hundreds of garotos available online, in saunas, on the apps and in the streets.  There is absolutely no reason for referrals.  The “hunt” for me is at least 50% of the fun & as has been stated here, my experience with a garoto will likely not translate to a similar experience with another person.  So, why even bother w a referral ?  There’s no upside for me personally, just downside if it goes wrong - which is highly likely.  I think in all my years of hiring guys in US & abroad - I’ve never actually used or asked for a referral from a “client”.  I have received referrals in Barcelona & Rio from sex-workers I know and trust - guiding me to their friends that can accommodate my taste. 

You’ve got to have some game to participate in the game.  If not, then just stay home.

 

 

 

 

 

[SolaceSoul]

7 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

I’ve seen members post similar stories about scammers contacting Manny asking from pictures and long involved questions & they never even go to DR.  So, it’s the same pattern and is a problem here

I believe I was the one who said here that it happened to Manny. It also happened to Juan Bin Bin — which is why neither of these procurers send out photos to anyone —  unless it’s directly to a highly trusted, regular client of theirs. 

[caeron]

 

If a Garoto has a public ad, I can't see the harm in providing it. I would not, however, disclose any personal identifying information to someone I haven't met live, so the ability to implicate me in whatever idiocy they wished to pursue would be limited.

I understand most escorts have to deal with time wasters and fakers. It unfortunately goes with the territory, as does the fact that some percentage of the customer base is just fucking crazy.

[Half-vaccinated]

On 4/30/2022 at 7:03 PM, Slvkguy said:

Btw - I’ve noticed the same guy asking others for their favorite guys to hire in Santo Domingo, São Paulo & other popular places mentioned here.  

Well, this person was easy to find.  

[Guest]

I believe he’s moved on to private messages only now - since there is a trail on the visible forums.  Yes, he’s easy to spot once you’re looking for it 

you wouldn’t think someone self-described as very hot would need so much help in finding guys ??  strange indeed 

[scott456]

Nobody ever sends me private messages.  Oh well...

[spoon]

How did the garoto managed to know that it was you who refer this person? Did u actually gave the creep something that he could identify u with? Ive given numerous recommendation previously in this and other forums, but unless u have met me in real life, itll be hard for you to say the recommendation comes from me. I also never discussed or tell the boys about the forums either. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, spoon said:

How did the garoto managed to know that it was you who refer this person? Did u actually gave the creep something that he could identify u with

good question.  no, he didn’t have any personal information that I gave to him.  he read my posts from São Paulo & I was posting each day I was there - another big mistake to post in real time. 

he used the information that I was an older American (from past postings) & had just left São Paulo to identify me to the garoto he wanted to contact.  He literally contacted the garoto the day after I left.  So, of course the garoto really thought this was someone I knew & therefore the supercreep was a legit person and not just a online stalker.  This is an essential part of the ploy - he needs “referrals” from members here to gain sex-worker trust to play his game.  That’s why he’s always asking for “favorites” or referrals.  

The information posted by members here is subject to abuse & use in ways normal people can’t even imagine. I got off pretty easy big picture - just a minor irritation, but a real wake-up call that this could have been much worse.  I’m just letting everyone here know what happened to me so it doesn’t happen to you.  Unfortunately, this will result in less trip reports or so vague that they aren’t that much fun. 
 

[Guest]

Oh yeah - I think a couple of members have figured out who this is about.   It would be awful if someone identified him, or posted screenshots of the past public inquiries 

[bucknaway]

This board doesn't lack drama😞

[spoon]

4 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

good question.  no, he didn’t have any personal information that I gave to him.  he read my posts from São Paulo & I was posting each day I was there - another big mistake to post in real time. 

he used the information that I was an older American (from past postings) & had just left São Paulo to identify me to the garoto he wanted to contact.  He literally contacted the garoto the day after I left.  So, of course the garoto really thought this was someone I knew & therefore the supercreep was a legit person and not just a online stalker.  This is an essential part of the ploy - he needs “referrals” from members here to gain sex-worker trust to play his game.  That’s why he’s always asking for “favorites” or referrals.  

The information posted by members here is subject to abuse & use in ways normal people can’t even imagine. I got off pretty easy big picture - just a minor irritation, but a real wake-up call that this could have been much worse.  I’m just letting everyone here know what happened to me so it doesn’t happen to you.  Unfortunately, this will result in less trip reports or so vague that they aren’t that much fun. 
 

Thanks. Its crucial to know this so we dont repeat the same and allow this or any other creeps to exploit our trip reports. I think many posters have already been vague with our trip reports when it comes to boys. I myself, rarely talked about what happened in bed and only summarized how it went, good or bad, and never mentioned their names but i do say their tag numbers from bars on ocassion. But my reports have only been in thailand. 

I also like to write my report in real time or day after. I also never shared direct contact of the boys i like, unless i know who the person and have met in real life. Fortunately, most thai guys dont advertised on other places, so i was never asked to share their ads, which to be honest, i wouldve done what u did as i do think if they have public ads, they dont mind us sharing. 

Will this make me not do trip reports anymore? No. Trip reports have been helping me a lot when i just started and i think its time to give back and help others. One bad apple wont stop me from doing it. But i will be extra careful on answering intrusives PMs though. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, bucknaway said:

This board doesn't lack drama😞

correction: PSYCHODRAMA !

[xpaulo]

On 5/2/2022 at 7:31 AM, Slvkguy said:

I think the bottom line is that nothing should be posted here that could somehow be used to identify any specific people. Whether they are sex-workers, members of this forum or anyone else.  Given what happened, I wouldn’t even direct anyone to publicly available information like GarotoComLocal, VivaLocal, rentmen, OF or similar.  Unfortunately, it’s impossible to predict how the information can be used or twisted.

Obviously, there are some people who can access these restricted forums that are using information posted here to harass sex-workers, middlemen (Manny) and members.  

FYI - the guy who scammed me said he was arriving in São Paulo today, that’s why he as so focused on getting the information last week.I’d bet all that is fake and he just gets off on other peoples stories and then further gets off on contacting the sex-workers knowing particular information.  He even called the garoto after texting a bunch of questions.  
I’ve seen members post similar stories about scammers contacting Manny asking from pictures and long involved questions & they never even go to DR.  So, it’s the same pattern and is a problem here. Likely there is more than one person using the forum this way.

Looking back - I was enthusiastic about participating here  and finally being able to “repay” some of the members who file trip reports that I’ve enjoyed in the past.  I got several kind private messages from members expressing appreciation and I was happy to have contributed in some small way.  

The takeaway is that finding & procuring guys is very personal & private.  In São Paulo for example, there are literally hundreds of garotos available online, in saunas, on the apps and in the streets.  There is absolutely no reason for referrals.  The “hunt” for me is at least 50% of the fun & as has been stated here, my experience with a garoto will likely not translate to a similar experience with another person.  So, why even bother w a referral ?  There’s no upside for me personally, just downside if it goes wrong - which is highly likely.  I think in all my years of hiring guys in US & abroad - I’ve never actually used or asked for a referral from a “client”.  I have received referrals in Barcelona & Rio from sex-workers I know and trust - guiding me to their friends that can accommodate my taste. 

You’ve got to have some game to participate in the game.  If not, then just stay home.

 

 

 

 

 

Wise words. Two people can have entirely different experiences with the same guy because of differing personalities, expectations and differences in what turns a person on. On the other hand I am really, really grateful for all of the information about places to find or meet guys at travel destinations, what to expect, places to use caution and so forth. I realized later in life that I had been to places where I could have had a much better time if I had known what was available.

[Axiom2020]

On 4/30/2022 at 5:03 PM, Slvkguy said:

Btw - I’ve noticed the same guy asking others for their favorite guys to hire in Santo Domingo, São Paulo & other popular places mentioned here.  The pattern is he’s always “just planning a trip” and fishing for specific information.  When other members ask him for details of those same trips, then the responses are vague & evasive.  The trips probably never happen and this guy gets off on our stories and then starts to harass the sex-worker/garoto or Manny via WhatsApp.  He’s looking for anything to ID exact people and make contact with them.  Pathetic.  

Since said individual appears to be a major problem, perhaps he should be given a strong warning by our webmaster Oz.  If he continues with his shenanigans--then "BAN" him for this particular site.  His actions appear to be detrimental to all concerned.

[vaughn]

On 5/4/2022 at 9:53 AM, spoon said:

Thanks. Its crucial to know this so we dont repeat the same and allow this or any other creeps to exploit our trip reports. I think many posters have already been vague with our trip reports when it comes to boys. I myself, rarely talked about what happened in bed and only summarized how it went, good or bad, and never mentioned their names but i do say their tag numbers from bars on ocassion. But my reports have only been in thailand. 

I also like to write my report in real time or day after. I also never shared direct contact of the boys i like, unless i know who the person and have met in real life. Fortunately, most thai guys dont advertised on other places, so i was never asked to share their ads, which to be honest, i wouldve done what u did as i do think if they have public ads, they dont mind us sharing. 

Will this make me not do trip reports anymore? No. Trip reports have been helping me a lot when i just started and i think its time to give back and help others. One bad apple wont stop me from doing it. But i will be extra careful on answering intrusives PMs though. Thanks for sharing!

 

I just had my thailand trip report shared with a pattaya boy from someone on here this week. Oz was kind enough to delete it for me, but i doubt i'll ever write a detailed trip report again.

I've considered paying the boy to find out who it was, not sure if it's worth my time to find and expose them.

[Guest]

15 hours ago, vaughn said:

I just had my thailand trip report shared with a pattaya boy from someone on here this week. Oz was kind enough to delete it for me, but i doubt i'll ever write a detailed trip report again.

I've considered paying the boy to find out who it was, not sure if it's worth my time to find and expose them.

not worth it.  I know who did it on my end & I can’t name them because then I’ll be in violation of the board rules. The victim then becomes the perpetrator, or something along those lines

going forward, just assume everything you write here will be disclosed and there is no real anonymity;  for members or the sex-workers 

Id be in favor of the entire site being restricted to members only, but I’m sure there are good reasons why that doesn’t happen

[spoon]

13 minutes ago, Slvkguy said:

Id be in favor of the entire site being restricted to members only, but I’m sure there are good reasons why that doesn’t happen

We do have members only board where more explicits items can be shared. But it wont stop people from sharing and anyone can become a member, but it will not be searchable in search engine. Not sure if this will solve the issue though.

[vaughn]

8 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

not worth it.  I know who did it on my end & I can’t name them because then I’ll be in violation of the board rules. The victim then becomes the perpetrator, or something along those lines

going forward, just assume everything you write here will be disclosed and there is no real anonymity;  for members or the sex-workers 

Id be in favor of the entire site being restricted to members only, but I’m sure there are good reasons why that doesn’t happen

Yeah, you're right.

I am still in contact with the boy, so when I'm back in Pattaya I might find out for my curiosity.

A lesson learned, it's unfortunate that these people exist.

[TotallyOz]

19 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

not worth it.  I know who did it on my end & I can’t name them because then I’ll be in violation of the board rules. The victim then becomes the perpetrator, or something along those lines

You are not in violation of board policy to list a screen name with who you are communicating with at least to my knowledge.

[Vanbcanthony]

On 5/1/2022 at 4:00 PM, numazu said:

This is a big reason why I don't post my trip reports any more. While a tiny minority, there are super creeps out there that make it not worth it and ruin the joy I've felt in the past.  It became so bad that I've had to delete my Instagram in the past because of a stalking issue from this site.

As a rule I never pass on any numbers of boys I feature in my trip reports. That is just asking for trouble. And your mileage may vary anyways... Any good fortune I've had may not translate to you, and vice versa.

What a shame because I have been waiting for new travel stories for months!

[SolaceSoul]

On 5/4/2022 at 4:28 PM, Axiom2020 said:

Since said individual appears to be a major problem, perhaps he should be given a strong warning by our webmaster Oz.  If he continues with his shenanigans--then "BAN" him for this particular site.  His actions appear to be detrimental to all concerned.

I doubt this will do much good. There are a few posters (here and at other similar travel boards) who post under different screen names / accounts (it’s obvious because of their writing style / almost exact word-for-word comments, etc).  The offender will probably just create a new username and use a VPN blocker to hide his IP address.

The best strategy is for posters to be circumspect and cautious about what they post here — and to be careful about what they share privately in private messages, as well as with whom they share. 
 

 

[Guest]

Everyone should read this thread.

As long as travel stories are delayed and not mentioning names, the wierdos have very little to work with.

 

[BlkSuperman]

I can't belive someone finally said something. I wanted to comment about this behavior a long time ago, but I try to keep my posts positive.

This problem isn't exclusive to gay sites like I thought because as we all know some gay men are worse than catty women.

A lot the STRAIGHT FB sites I'm on, the men carry on th3 same way.  Meaning, they go back and find the person being discussed and screenshot what was said about them in the forum.

There is a particular guy in this group who has NEVER MET me or my husband, but for the past 3 years has been HELL BENT on ruining our relations with many guys in Santo Domingo.

I guess he feels that because he goes over and takes pictures of the guys and post full face, tattoos and body pics on his Twitter page and has a business making videos with these guys, in his mind, no one is allowed to do the same.

This guy even reached out to manny and told him that my husband and I were bad people and was spreading his business all over the internet. What he didn't know is I told manny and a lot of the other guys about this and how they could make more money.

I'm guessing the catalog book he put out a few years ago with all the Dominican men didn't sell like he thought be would because my post and Twitter growth seems to truly have this guy pressed. 

Seriously though, how does a person have so much disdain for ppl they have never met. This site is AMAZING and taught me so much before I took my first trip to Brazil.

In fact, had it not been for this site I don't think I could have navigated through brazil as easily as I did. But, there are some shady people in this and every group I'm in, gay and straight. 

When I first started,  I believed every person who reached out to me and told me they were going to rio or SDQ and wanted to know my contacts so I gave them the contacts without any hassles. 

After the 3rd time of me finding out the person on tbr other end of the keyboard was lying, I decided to keep my contacts private and not share another pic or number with anyone. 

If you want the guy, call manny is the attitude I adopted because there are flakes everywhere.  You won't believe some of the stories and lies that have been told to me and about me. 

Some guy even told me he was with manny and even in SDQ. I called manny and he sent me a picture of the guy and told me he's a liar and not in SDQ. this has happened a few times. 

I have no idea why a person would get a phone number just to harass a model and ask for pics all day long because that would bore me to death but I guess we're all different. 

To all the people who post in good faith to help other travelers PLEASE CONTINUE to do so, but be careful who you trust on this and any other platform. 

I read a post about someone bashing manny a week ago here and didn't comment, but if you knew some of the things that guys from this site has done to him you would understand why he's not so trusting and requires a deposit now when ppl call or text him.

@SlvkguyI feel the same as you. It  Would have been nice to share the 84 dominican contacts i have in the Dominican honbres GALLERY of my phone, but now I direct everyone to manny.

No more FREE-BEES! NO MORE GAMES! NO MORE LIES!

 

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, BlkSuperman said:

Some guy even told me he was with manny and even in SDQ. I called manny and he sent me a picture of the guy and told me he's a liar and not in SDQ. this has happened a few times. 

I have no idea why a person would get a phone number just to harass a model and ask for pics all day long because that would bore me to death but I guess we're all different. 

To all the people who post in good faith to help other travelers PLEASE CONTINUE to do so, but be careful who you trust on this and any other platform. 

I read a post about someone bashing manny a week ago here and didn't comment, but if you knew some of the things that guys from this site has done to him you would understand why he's not so trusting and requires a deposit now when ppl call or text him

the good thing here is that several members were able to finally share their stories about online harassment/stalking & misuse of information.  And a reminder of things not to do & where to be careful.  

I’ve often sympathized with the boys about poor treatment by clients & the daily crap they have to take while trying to make a living and deliver a unique service.  This information takes it to the next level and explains why many sex-workers are always on-guard and not trusting; they’ve been burned over & over.  Many times by guys that have no intention of ever hiring them or being anywhere close to their geographic location.

Coming full circle - I wonder if this could impact Mannys recent price increase reported here ?  Or other providers, where they sense the potential client is just too difficult or there’s a red flag ?  I imagine they can spot it very quick.  

[SolaceSoul]

5 minutes ago, Slvkguy said:

I’ve often sympathized with the boys about poor treatment by clients & the daily crap they have to take while trying to make a living and deliver a unique service..  

I agree with you. I’ve been at the client game almost all my adult life, and I’ve witnessed and heard about some terrible client behavior. I’m not suggesting that every “hooker has a heart of gold” — just that there are a lot of clients and wannabe clients that simply are up to no good and are not to be trusted.

Guard your good reputation with the locals, and guard your connections. 

13 minutes ago, Slvkguy said:

Coming full circle - I wonder if this could impact Mannys recent price increase reported here ?  Or other providers, where they sense the potential client is just too difficult or there’s a red flag ?  I imagine they can spot it very quick.

Well, you have shitty non-client photo collectors who waste the time of the procurer and the worker — some even going as far as to pretend they’re in Santo Domingo and having Manny or Juan Bin Bin (or Freddy, and probably even other procurers) showing up with the working guy to fake addresses — wasting expensive fuel and time (which the procurer then has to then pay the guy out of his own pocket for showing up to the fake date). Then, you have potential clients who demand that Manny exclusively drive them all over the city and island for a week and introduce them to guys, insisting on multiple photos and videos before committing to payment, but then refuse to pay for a reasonable day’s or week’s work of exclusive time from a driver and procurer. Then, you have a relatively new poster here accusing Manny of being a “scammer” for simply doing what any good procurer does for those who don’t have the time to scour the island for various available guys.

Wouldn’t you bake in a bit extra to give yourself some insurance from an unknown entity, given all the flakes, the snakes, the shady, shifty characters? I haven’t needed a procurer’s services in years, but given the behavior that i have witnessed or heard about from some traveling clients, I completely understand the business move of reasonably increased rates.