Age of the person you off?

[PattayaMale]

In the post about Favorite Go-Go, many concerns and suggestions were put forth about making sure the person was of the legal age as indicated on the ID card.

 

For those that may be a member of one of the expats club, I wish someone who have a rep from the Immigration, police and prosecutors offices appear to ask how people are protected from this kind of scam. If a person uses his best judgment, examines the card, has the hotel clerk examine the id, how can he(customer) be held as trying to break the law?

 

Forget the argument that prostitution is illegal. Have the authorities answer the questions. What do others think?

[Guest Astrrro]

I'm not aware of anyone who took a boy from a bar, had the clerk examine the ID, and then got busted. So it seems that the authorities are trying to use some common sense and focusing on the obviously underage boys or boys who don't work the bars as opposed to entrapping a farang who brings home a 17 year 11 month boy with a phony ID.

 

Having said that, better make sure that a boy is 18+.

 

Don't do the crime if u can't do the time.

[Guest fountainhall]

If a person uses his best judgment, examines the card, has the hotel clerk examine the id, how can he(customer) be held as trying to break the law

 

Isn't the answer to this a variation of the old adage 'ignorance of the law is no defence'? The police/court will probably argue a boy is either below 18 or above 18. If below, tough!

[Gaybutton]

I'm not aware of anyone who took a boy from a bar, had the clerk examine the ID, and then got busted.

I'll give you a better one than that. I am not aware of anyone who ever took a boy off from a bar and got busted, no matter what the age of the boy was. Obviously I don't advise taking an under-age boy off, because a 'bust' could happen, but in all honesty I'm not aware of a single case in which it ever has. Still, I think it is a risk not worth taking.

 

I've said it before; most of these cases arise from people taking street boys and/or diddling around with under-age boys in their own neighborhoods.

 

I suppose Pattayamale's idea of having a police officer, or whoever, address the Expat's Club, or address some other group, can't hurt anything, but I doubt you would hear much of anything beyond advice to check ID's as thoroughly as you can, but the responsibility still rests on your shoulders.

 

If it helps anything, even when these busts do occur, it is rarely when someone had a boy with him who was 16 or 17. Most of the stories I read involve someone with a boy much younger and it almost always turns out that the person had been involved with multiple under-age boys and had been under some form of surveillance for months before an arrest warrant is issued.

 

I really don't think the police are after people who unintentionally were cheated by an under-age bar boy. I think they go after the people who intentionally seek out boys years younger than 18.

[PattayaMale]

The above posts from several forum members are sentiments I also agree with.

 

I made this post, as I wrote, because there were many posts under "your favorite go-go bar" that asked about the id or fake id and there were many suggestions as to how to handle that. In thinking about that. I thought it would be a good chance to ask that question, if it is a serious concern, to the proper authorities.

 

I think most people make a serious effort to make sure the person they off is of the legal age. I too know of no instance that even a 17 year old offed person form a bar ended in charges.

 

Unfortunately there are some bars that seem not to care if they are offering very young people to the public.

[Guest slackersam]

What happens to the bar if they get caught selling boys with fake IDs?

[Gaybutton]

What happens to the bar if they get caught selling boys with fake IDs?

Nothing. I've never heard of a bar supplying boys with fake IDs. If a boy has a fake ID, then he obtained it on his own.

[Guest slackersam]

No.

 

I mean if the boy has his own fake ID and the bar doesn't notice and sells him to you, are they liable?

 

[PattayaMale]

No.

 

I mean if the boy has his own fake ID and the bar doesn't notice and sells him to you, are they liable?

 

 

Here is a variation of that question: If the boy has his own fake ID and the police who take bribes for allowing the bar to employ him, are they liable?

[Guest slackersam]

Now that's an interesting question.

[Gaybutton]

Now that's an interesting question.

As far as I know, at the end of the day there is only one person truly liable . . . the farang.

[Guest MonkeySee]

As far as I know, at the end of the day there is only one person truly liable . . . the farang.

Yes, the farang. The BIB go for the people with the money. They are already draining the bar, the boy has nothing and so who is left?

[Guest]

I don't think there's a country on the planet that has a good supply of sexy 18~25 year old RBs, who are attractive, cheap to hire & have cast iron guarantees their IDs are genuine, underwritten by a third party.

 

So check he looks over 18 & check his ID card as carefully as you can. Accept liability yourself, because that's the way it is.

 

 

 

 

[KhorTose]

Accept liability yourself, because that's the way it is.

 

Both a great concept and a definition of adulthood.

 

[2lz2p]

In the post about Favorite Go-Go, many concerns and suggestions were put forth about making sure the person was of the legal age as indicated on the ID card.

 

For those that may be a member of one of the expats club, I wish someone who have a rep from the Immigration, police and prosecutors offices appear to ask how people are protected from this kind of scam. If a person uses his best judgment, examines the card, has the hotel clerk examine the id, how can he(customer) be held as trying to break the law?

 

Forget the argument that prostitution is illegal. Have the authorities answer the questions. What do others think?

 

The Pattaya City Expats Club had a Thai Attorney speak to them on various laws and legal rights in Thailand. One of the questions asked related to use of fake ID cards by minors, the lawyer's response as reported in their September 14 Newsletter stated:

 

An issue that often comes up is that of a farang picking up a Thai companion at a bar and taking them to their hotel, residence, or elsewhere to engage in sex. What if they have a fake identification card? The age of the person “is what it is” under Thai law. So, it doesn’t excuse having sex with a minor if they provide a fake identification card. Khun Katrena said that under Thai law, anyone under the age of 15 cannot legally give their consent. However, there are other criminal laws that may apply, especially if prostitution is involved. So, she strongly recommended that no one should get involved in having sex with anyone under the age of 18.

 

 

[Guest joseph44]

Some years ago, I offed a boy from T&S.

Look defined, nice and over 20.

His ID showed 22, so, no worries!!

 

After a few offs, the boy and I decided to stay together for some time. He moved in to the dormitory at the school I was working at the time and he used my bike to be a motorbike taxi-driver. He happy, I happy.

We moved to another city and stayed with me that time.

At some point he started to annoy me: watch TV all day, stay in bed, stay up late..........typical behavior of disinterest. I 'kicked' him out.

 

Some 2 years later I saw him again, and he asked: You want to see my ID? It's new! I responded that I knew his ID, but he said that I never saw it before.

So, I checked his ID, and found out that he was 18 at the time!!!!!!!!????????

"Don't tell me that you were 16 at the time you lived with me?" He did!!!

Amazing him, lucky me!!

[Gaybutton]

"Don't tell me that you were 16 at the time you lived with me?" He did!!!

Amazing him, lucky me!!

Not necessarily. According to Thai law, as I understand it, if no prostitution was involved you were technically legal. Of course if the police decided to make an issue of it, then you would have had to convince a judge there was no prostitution involved. That might have been difficult to do. However, I agree with you. You were lucky.