Review of my last year's trip to Santo Domingo, and Plans for Another in Feb--How does this Sound?

[Canadianbtmguy]

Last April I went on my post-vaccine trip to Santo Domingo--without benefit of this forum--and had a pretty good time (basically free Grindr guys and pain Juan binbin ones). Fun to the extent I wanted to go back--now all the more so that I have found this forum and info about Manny and Ezekial's guys! Planning to be there 2 weeks from today.

 

First a quick report of what I did last year. Stayed at the RIG Casa Conde for 9 days, it was about $40/night, they gave me one of the few rooms overlooking the street with a balcony, which was a nice aspect, I could sit on the threshold of the door (still benefiting from the awesome AC) and watch the world go by. (I confess I'm not a tropical-weather guy.) No problem with having guests, the reception is on the mezzanine and the guys would walk past the glass-enclosed reception, reception never said anything to them but I like that the guys would have an awareness that it is not a totally unsecured place.

 

As for the fun, yes it was fun. I'm a bottom guy, love big dicks of course, also like nice bodies, handsome faces and good kissers. Started out on the right foot with a Chilean guy a few hours before I arrived who was all of those and ended with a Dominican a few hours before I left who was too. (Nicely, the first and the last were the 2 best!) In between, a lot of guys with 8-9", in their 20s, mostly skinny non-gym, some handsome, some less so. And one guy around 40 with a great body and great kisser who went for hours, reminding me yet again that a big dick is not a requirement for great sex, nor is bareback. (On PrEP and prefer raw; I would say about a third of the guys were down with raw.) I would have about 3-5 guys a day, from about 5 minutes ,to that guy for several hours, pretty slutty although I doubt I qualify for BlkSuperman's league  

 

I'm  open to paying (and did a few times) , but of course why pay for what you can get for free, plus the thrill that this hot guy is fucking me because he's into me not because he's getting paid is priceless. (I confess it is a thrill very hard to surrender as I get older.) Basically I would Grind during the day and if I wasn't satiated by around 4 or 5, I would heard to juan binbin (a few blocks away). The neighborhood drops off quite precipitously in those blocks, I always walked without trouble, it seemed so silly to order and Uber for 3 blocks, but the owner advised me against it (and once kindly even drove me back). I went there maybe 4 times, went with 3 different guys, the guys were not the super hottest (it's not the 117!) and never more than 10 were there at a time. 2 out of the 3 were very good (one was named Federico) and very obliging (I like it slow suavecito, not pounding and I find it's tough to get straightish escorts to deviate from the doggy-style pounding playbook. Also were good kissers and cool with breeding. You pay the owner, the rate is fixed, about $40 I recall. Once I went by and there was no one I was into and it was no problem that I just looked without buying. (Federico wasn't there otherwise I would have gone with him again.) One time I went with a guy who was boring and not very hard, I mentioned it to the owner and he was apologetic that the guy was new. Virtually no other clients around but this was April 2021, so maybe that's why...

 

Went to Apollo once on a weekend afternoon, it was actually very busy. Although many were wearing masks, it seemed a little excessive risk even though I was newly vaccinated, and since I wasn't getting a flood of attention (I'm pretty fit, but late 40s, so older than most everyone there) I didn't stick around long. Guys were kind of in the same range I was finding on Grindr. Also went to Cine Lido twice (the idea of sucking off straight guys, I confess, does seem pretty hot) but not very crowded (15-20 guys) and guys not very hot, but maybe because of the pandemic. Incidentally, on the corner to the west of Cine Lido, the Chifa (in parts of Latin America, "Chifa" refers to pre-prepared Chinesish food) the fried chicken is delicious, and was surely the highlight of my two visits to Cine Lido and the culinary highlight of my visit. I walked on my 2 visits, only about 4 blocks uphill from hotel, but as with Juan binbin (in a somewhat similar direction) that may have been too cavalier. 

 

One last thing that made a nice contribution to my trip was the Gym Colonial, on Calle Conde, around only $2 for the day (yes, I love a bargain!)

 

So, as I say, I had a nice time last year that I was planning on going back this winter (when it is a little cooler) Now that I have read here about Manny and Ezekial's guys (I swear it sounds almost to good to be true!) I am really looking forward to it, I'm eyeing Feb 10-21 with both weekends in SD and maybe 3 days Mon-Thurs in Punta Cana. Is 3 days enough in Punta Cana? I haven't read much about Ezekial's guys here there so think of keeping the emphasis on SD.

 

When I finalize my plans and buy my tickets, probably next week I will contact them and start browsing the possibilities. Are there any must-haves that I should definitely not miss?? Any ones in particular I should start with?(all other things being equal, I would say to start with the guys who have more beautiful faces but are not quite so XXL and work my way up to the guys who are pure XXL dick plays. My preference is for guys who are open to slow penetration that lasts a long time (some pounding at the end is cool), and who are open to making out. Prefer taller to shorter, but flexible. I hope it is ok to ask, do any of them bareback, it's by no means necessary but all other things being equal, I do prefer it (The trip report from Arabcreamer suggests yes) 

 

So, thanks again guys for any and all suggestions!

[Canadianbtmguy]

I contacted Manny in Santo Domingo and Ezequial in Punta Cana. Manny was very friendly in his replies, hasn't sent any pictures yet. I'm hesitant to push for the pictures yet, since maybe he's worried about pic collectors? I am curious about what kinds of guys to expect. Certainly from BlkSuperman's twitter, enormous endowments are a given, but I am curious about faces and bodies. Most of the guys on his twitter seem to be quite lanky, with the one called Manaconda having some muscle on him. For my taste, I'm willing to give up an inch or two for good bodies and handsome faces (and good attitudes, for that matter...)

Ezequial was slow to respond and eventually his assistant Rose responded. She sent me clothed pics of 3 guys. They were pleasant looking fellows, though I wouldn't say they are really the machos I'm looking for. They were young (I'm pretty open on age) but also pretty lanky and at least through the clothes didn't seem to have any muscle to them. I asked her if she knew their height (I prefer taller) and endowments were and she said she would get back to me. Can't really say that I would bother making the trip from Santo Domingo to Punta Cana on the basis of these guys. Have any of you guys met Ezequial's guys?

If any of you guys have any feedback of what to expect with Manny and Ezequial's guys (especially if tall muscular guys are available), much appreciated. I know this is not Rio's 117 Island-version so trying to keep my expectations in check

[Riobard]

2 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

I contacted Manny in Santo Domingo and Ezequial in Punta Cana. Manny was very friendly in his replies, hasn't sent any pictures yet. I'm hesitant to push for the pictures yet, since maybe he's worried about pic collectors? I am curious about what kinds of guys to expect. Certainly from BlkSuperman's twitter, enormous endowments are a given, but I am curious about faces and bodies. Most of the guys on his twitter seem to be quite lanky, with the one called Manaconda having some muscle on him. For my taste, I'm willing to give up an inch or two for good bodies and handsome faces (and good attitudes, for that matter...)

Ezequial was slow to respond and eventually his assistant Rose responded. She sent me clothed pics of 3 guys. They were pleasant looking fellows, though I wouldn't say they are really the machos I'm looking for. They were young (I'm pretty open on age) but also pretty lanky and at least through the clothes didn't seem to have any muscle to them. I asked her if she knew their height (I prefer taller) and endowments were and she said she would get back to me. Can't really say that I would bother making the trip from Santo Domingo to Punta Cana on the basis of these guys. Have any of you guys met Ezequial's guys?

If any of you guys have any feedback of what to expect with Manny and Ezequial's guys (especially if tall muscular guys are available), much appreciated. I know this is not Rio's 117 Island-version so trying to keep my expectations in check

Must be something in Canuck tap water cuz I totally identify with your narrative here. Manny’s inventory tends to be more reflective of the genital endowment aspect because that seems to be the predominant ask made by visitors, but that is not an important feature for me and I believe he has somewhat stereotyped tourists’ desires according to the trends in what is appreciated and requested. There is not much of a range in categories of types because his profit margins are geared more to a relatively constricted somatotype, or so I think based on one visit and on what has been illustrated in his photo catalogue or by other members here.

I can more easily get off with a physique model type that keeps his panties on! So my martyrdom regarding inches is perhaps somewhat unique, some might say eunuch lol. He knows a lot of those guys and attends competitions as a spectator but my sense is that he tries to keep things compartmentalized and not attend the same gym workout circles as his supply chain of dick.

And then there may be a phenomenon of, ahem, price-point adjustment. I don’t mind because I have ample funds. I just don’t want to waste time trying to get good matches or be breaking in a newbie figuring out whether he wants to branch out into the trade to support training costs, etc. And I may have left Manny a bit frustrated too though I thought he was trying to be patient and accommodating. My willingness to raise the bill and his profit margin did not yield much. He is just more accustomed to running a quantitatively high output low-ball$ big-balled shop. He may also be puzzled about the MSM brokering niche because he probably gets a ‘pussy is pussy’ vibe from his straight clientele and finds guys like me too finicky … and how can I be gay and not just be satisfied with challenging cock?!

The thing is, my type is readily accessible in Rio, so it’s not really a question of my tastes being particularly unrealistic or demanding. 

In terms of pictures there is likely a somewhat greater down-low aspect to the types we like so I wouldn’t expect an advance catalogue to be forthcoming from him. I also have my doubts that Ezequial’s supply chain is an EZ prospect for matching. It may be more along the lines of the ‘sanky-p a n k y’  trade for mature ladies.

I will likely eventually take another run at Manny. He is a fun character to be sure. 

[tm_nyc]

Is Punta Cana a viable option?  Getting out of SD & hitting a beach sounds very appealing.  I imagine that an adults-only, all inclusive resort would work for a gay couple or a guy with a companion but (IMO) it doesn't sound so appealing for a single guy.  Also, bringing visitors into a resort might be a hassle.

[SolaceSoul]

8 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

Manny was very friendly in his replies, hasn't sent any pictures yet. I'm hesitant to push for the pictures yet, since maybe he's worried about pic collectors?

You can thank all of the terrible readers at sites like this one, and other bad-faith tourists for this recent change.

There have even been some losers claiming they were currently in Santo Domingo and wanted to hire but needed pics first before deciding. Manny would send the guys to a given address, which was fake because the photo requestor wasn’t even on the island.

If he already knows you and trusts you, and knows you won’t expose his guys all over the internet, then he will send out pics. If you’re just some rando, then no. That trust has to be earned. 

BTW, Juan Bin Bin stopped sending out pics for the very same reason.
 

[SolaceSoul]

6 hours ago, Riobard said:

He may also be puzzled about the MSM brokering niche because he probably gets a ‘pussy is pussy’ vibe from his straight clientele and finds guys like me too finicky … and how can I be gay and not just be satisfied with challenging cock?!

You clearly don’t know Manny very well at all…

[Riobard]

Oh I agree I’ve barely grazed Manny’s surface, as I already suggested based on limited contact. But the only thing I really need to know is how to get a procurer to get me the guys I want. I’m not bent on getting to braid each other’s hair; my ATM didn’t matriculate from beauty school. Because I thought it would be a breeze and was riding on a sense of lip-smacking promise held out by other punters, I am left with grasping at theories that I suppose are not readily substantiated. He came across as enthusiastic and not at all distant or dismissive, but he opined that my requirements were not easily met. If it’s a deeper game than I realized, then I must have not made the correct strategic board moves. In fact, if it’s a game at all, I’m the guy whose anticipation of diminished returns, high-output low-yield negotiating, speedily douses libidinal energy. With an actual provider the chase may up-regulate desire, to a point; with a middle-man and his sample dossier, meh. I can whack off at an 8/10 level qualitatively if the 9/10 in the flesh doesn’t materialize, though the latter of course edges out in preference. I have no life commitments that make Brazil without a realtor less accessible than the Caribbean with one. Pay the house, pay the pimp, same difference. Not much delving needed into house dynamics, AFAIK not much complexity there. Just check the tab for suite add-ons that occasionally mysteriously appear. 

[floridarob]

9 hours ago, Riobard said:

And I may have left Manny a bit frustrated too though I thought he was trying to be patient and accommodating.

like us 😆

[macdaddi]

7 hours ago, tm_nyc said:

Is Punta Cana a viable option? 

Was there for a birthday party in December 2021 at an all-inclusive (which make up the bulk of hotel options in PC). I regularly hear stories about hookups with hotel staff being easy in the large hotels, but that is risky for obvious reasons.

There are few options for hiring male escorts once you have arrived. The Apps are mostly horny foreigners and there is no real club scene to explore.

Ezequiel is a great resource, but his (growing) business is really boat rentals and organizing private events -- he is happy to help out, but as noted, is not easy to contact.  Ezequiel actually referred me to another Toronto contact (we had met previously) who organized the "present" for the birthday boy.  As is often the case, language is a major barrier -- I don't think it would have been possible to organize timing/arrivals/transportation with just English. But I could be completely wrong about that -- just my experience (it took many WhatsApp calls to get our boy onsite). As for security, as many resorts in PC are VERY large, it is easy to sneak in a guest, but there are serious penalties if discovered. It is trespassing and they take it seriously. FWIW there were women openly soliciting in the lobby bar every evening I was there.

For a full-on manwhore experience there is way more action to be found in the capital. Punta Cana is better to get in some beach time (and maybe bring a favourite boy).

 

[tm_nyc]

Very interesting, thanks!  I  believe that there is the option of registering a guest with the hotel & paying a fee (just as they do at some hotels in SD) which would avoid potetial difficulties, embarassment, etc.

[Riobard]

9 hours ago, floridarob said:

like us 😆

No on two counts, including the patient and accommodating combined as one of them.

I was referencing having asked something of someone I don’t deem to be an asshole. In contrast, I don’t hope for or count on anything from assholes unable to be open. More specifically, only a grandiose asshole imputes that a request such as agreeableness and forbearance is requested of them by a particular other when in fact it wasn’t solicited at all; more importantly, that other doesn’t give a shit about your reactivity. De-centre, try to stretch your attention span (oh, pin dropped, there it goes), and consider trying some content revisionism because this invariant routine is long past tiresome. It could ever barely pass as droll; now it’s just troll. 

[Vanbcanthony]

What can I say? Paying is fun, but getting a sexy hung top to fuck you relentlessly and drenched in sweat for free is on another level. Glad to know you had a great time there.

[Canadianbtmguy]

So let me update on how its going so far. I arrived yesterday and met Manny yesterday afternoon. He's a very nice friendly guy. He made it clear to really tell him my preferences and I did...tallish, muscularish (certainly I don't need bodybuilders), and perhaps most importantly a good attitude and someone who will do it suavecito, not pounding. I didn't know whether I should mention my preference for bare (The most important thing for me is the quality of the guy, and I don't want to be limited to those who bbk) but he seemed very openminded so I did mention that it was a preference though by no means a necessity.) He showed me about half a dozen guys, all solidly  attractive and muscularish, all I would say were Black. I didnt have a strong preference among them, and he said he would look into who would be available. Later he met me at Pacos with the guy (who I don't believe was one of the ones he had showed me. 1000 pesos for Manny plus 2500 to the guy. This is my message to Manny afterward:

Hola manny, I’m definitely eager to meet more of your guys, although I have to say that one was not such a great start. On the good side his Dick was nice and big, but I would not say he was so friendly or interested and he fucked for only like 10 minutes (not suavecito even tho I asked him) and only with a condom. After 10 min he took it off and shot. It wasn’t awful or anything, just kind of boring, and I make the criticism more so we can make the next ones better😎 I have heard such good things about your men, I want to experience what they have to offer. Thanks!

Manny very cordial and expressed frustration at the guy. Resolved to do better the next day. 

In the late afternoon went to Juan Bin bin. These are not Brazilian quality guys. The tallest is 5'9. There was a guy Federico I had met last year and had an amazing time with, despite not being my type really (I doubt he weighs more than 120 pounds!) he really did sex amazingly well. He was there so I went with him, although there were a couple guys there that caught my eye. (When a client comes they assemble to meet you; there were 5 there, they are actually more varied racially, one white hispanic, one looked native american, 2 latino hispanic and one black) Amazing sex with Federico again and then well, I confess I went for a second round with another guy, and pretty darn amazing too (not as good as federico and didnt kiss, as federico does passionately, but well done. 3000pesos each for those keeping track.... 

Good fried chicken on the way home (facing parque independencia) I'm not all about sex, ok

This morning, Manny recommends one, he says is tall and muscular. But these types want more. He says he wants 5000 but will take 4000 (plus 1000 for Manny). Here's my message to manny after that one:

Hey man. Really super nice guy, very handsome, nice personality, tried hard to please. He even kissed a little which was great. He was really perfect...except the sex. Sadly, he couldn’t really get it very hard and he tried many times and it was barely hard and never more than 30 seconds would last before it would come out and he would have to try very hard to make it hard again. He was a very nice guy and he tried many times but he just could not get an
d stay hard to do the work. It is a pity because I was very attracted to him and he was a super nice guy😪                I hope you will not think I’m hard to please (maybe I am) but to get hard for the penetration it’s a minimum😎 I offered him some viagra, it would have been the perfect solution but he did not want it. Really he’s very good—except for the one important thing😪

Worked out at Colonial Gym (100 pesos, the best bargain in town!) Wish some of those guys were on Manny's roster. Will try again with Manny tomorrow....

[tm_nyc]

Thank you for your detailed & realistic account of your experiences in SD.  I have only paid 2 brief visits to SD & my experiences were similar.  Some of the guys there are really great, some are just OK & some were a real letdown.  They are called hustlers for a reason, right?  Anyway, good luck & continued happy hunting!

[Riobard]

Sounds about right. #5 may be 8,000-10,000, doing it as a big favour because it’s your lucky day, and intercourse off the table … that is, not on the bed not on the sofa not on the chaise long not on the dining room table not nowhere … but likely hot! LOL 

Of course I may be wrong.

[Canadianbtmguy]

Waiting for my 6 hour delayed AA flight in SDQ so I have plenty of time to expound.

So the next day, met another one of Manny's guys. Pretty good guy, pretty good sex, bb, certainly much better than the other 2. I remembered thinking at the time it would not be like one of my Brazil experiences that I remember months even years later, but after what happened later in the day, I can honestly say I hardly remember anything about it at all. I do remember the price 4000 plus 500 tip plus 1000 to Manny (according to him, the widely quoted 2500 applies only to skinny guys or maybe I'm just an easy mark.

On Grindr a lot, I really do (still) prefer the thrill of a guy who wants to fuck me versus one who is supporting his granny by doing so. Also many guys offering for money (called "prepagos" (prepaids") Nearly all of these guys have nothing to offer besides a really big dick, and I can still get a short skinny guy with a really big dick for free (a blondish muscle bottom, even an aging one, still holds considerable appeal). Mostly just ignore these guys entirely. One hit me up with a possibly beefy body under a tshirt but no shirtless pic. He offers a video chat, takes off his shirt to reveal a flabulous body and I politely decline saying that I am into guys with more athletic bodies. A bit later he sends me a pic of his "friend" and says "like this?" WHOA! YES! YES! Exactly like this. After looking at one pic after another of Manny's passable guys, here is a guy with a solid 9/10 body and 9/10 face with a very handsome welcoming smile on his face. But yes, I was not born yesterday. I am like what is the chance that a second-hand advertiser from Grindr is going to be a successful match? Like 5% or less, which a much higher than that percentage that he will rob me. Quote is 5000 plus 1000 for him. I ask questions, waiting for the fault to appear. I say I'm into passionate kissing with tongue, the guy looks hetero so he's probably not into it. He says he is. I say I'm looking to take it suavecito for a full hour, not 15 minutes of hard doggy (they call it "a 4" like on all 4s). He's into it. I say are you saying he's into it or are you actually asking him if he's into it. He says the guy says he's into it. I'm really looking for a way to eliminate these guys, who are surely scamsters but everything keeps coming up roses. This guy--or this fantasy of a guy, probably--is really the guy I'm looking for. I assent to have them come over.

A digression, American/Canadian/European whatever you want to call it standards of time have no application here. With the result that unless you want to spend A LOT of time waiting around you need to double/triple/quadruple book. This at least is initially very stressful for me, especially when, 2 hours later, several guys turn up at once. I'm not so much for 3 ways, (which is one solution) so you kind of have to pick the best ones and hit the others with "emergencies". I would never do this in North America, although I have resorted to it in Spain. Tip: when people say they are on their way or "almost there" (haha) make them send their location. Anyway, the guy and his friend show up about the same time as 2 guys from Grindr (including a 20 year old with quite handsome quite athletic pics but modestly endowed). I meet them in front of the hotel and the guy is HOT. And smiley. We do some conversation on translate in part to confirm he's into it. Friend is jockeying for more than 1000 and he wants 5000 plus tips if he does a good job. I'm ok with the incentive-type payments for him and I say if he does a good job Ill also give him an extra 1000 for his friend. In short, he does a great job, pretty much all you could hope for. Really outstanding. Even starts with a condom, but with my only condoms the normal size, oddly the only ones for sale at the pharmacy across the street, he abandons it. I don't even know if I had inquired much at all about his dick because he was so handsome but yes, everything you could ask for there. AT times not super hard (probably in part from me not liking the hard pounding) but very big dicks not super hard are actually quite appealing. After about 45 minutes he starts jockeying for me to give my "leche" (milk) which I have no interest in ending. I say what if he goes for another half an hour, I give him 10000 and he gives me his leche. Some haggling ensues with him inside me. He says it's already 5000 plus 2000 in tip (true) so therefore 13000 (makes no sense). I hold firm at 10000 and he assents but it does seem to take some of the wind out of his sails. After about 20 minutes he starts jockeying again for me to give my leche (i.e., end). I jockey for him to give his, he says he already came a little (of which there is some evidence.) Great time kind of end with a whimper not a bang as he gets up and starts taking a shower. I give him 10000 plus another 2000 for his friend.

So, still not having had my big bang, I get on Grindr and the 20 year old has sent like 5 messages, the most recent just a few minutes earlier that he was leaving, but I msg him with my renewed apologies about the "emergency" and he's nearby and so he comes back. We actually sit on a bench outside the hotel and talk a bit (its dusk so getting less oppressively hot). He's pretty hot, pretty masculine, handsome face and since he didn't jump up from the bench to come in the hotel I have my doubts/insecurities he's into me, 2 1/2 times his age. Finally, I ask him up and he heartily agrees. Like I said modestly hung, but rock hard and gives his leche pretty quick. Nice experience and of course, nice validation by a 20 year old. I'm done for the day.

 

 

 

[Riobard]

I would contentedly put out 10,000 DOP for what you described, in terms of what the provider gets, but I am not sure I would have the skills and stamina for the arranging! 

[Canadianbtmguy]

So last day, I go for a walking tour with a member of the white elite (lawyer; not hung), by 10:30 miserably hot (for me) so back to the AC. I engage with Manny half heartedly and he sends a few guys' pics, but I mean after the guy last night, they are neither as attractive in face nor body. Ho-hum. The friend of last night's hottie hits me up asking for an additional bonus to the 1000 additional he says he received last night (um, remember that I gave the hottie 2000 for him; I don't know which of the 2 is lying but I tell him it's between the 2 of them to work out). He asks if I would like to see pics of any of his other friends. His friends are actually just as good as Manny's guys, although Manny is very affable and this guy leans toward creepy. None compare to last night's guy (whose Whatsapp he gave me last night and which I am planning on using).

I actually go to Juan BinBin in the afternoon (I sooo much prefer this model, which I think the internet and pictures can never replace, plus also safer...) Nothing too special there, I ask one guy if he kisses and if he barebacks and he says yes, but he walks in with condoms and doesnt want to kiss (there is soooome possibility he didnt hear my questions as I try to ask them quietly enough so that the others don't hear) but I ask to change guys. Good ol Federico, who had stepped out is now back, so I switch to him. He's kinda having an uninspired go, and certainly he is way beneath the league of last night's guy, so pretty meh.

I hit up last night's guy and my best friend is like ask him his daily, weekly and yearly price. My flight leaves at 6am (or I should say, it was scheduled for 6am) so I propose 8pm-3am. He says what will you give me. I propose 15000 (which is not much more than the night before's compendium of fees) and we could go out to eat if he likes and the full leche (not just the kind of like yesterday). Surprisingly he accepts and does not try to drive the fee higher (not yet anyway....). I have a couple of free Grindr guys (including one of those short skinny 9-inch guys which does a good job) and look forward to my 8:00 appointment. Not that I actually expect him at 8, though he's actually set to arrive before 9. He texts that he's almost there and we can go to a certain restaurant and he's very hungry. Well I'm hungry too but not for food and I can see this meal dragging on late and him saying he's too tired/full after so I say well, just a half hour upstairs and we will build up an even bigger appetite.

He says he's arrived and I go down to find him--and his friend. WTF. Friend renews his incessant pleas for more tips. No mention had been made of him coming. Yuk. I decline request for further tips. Hottie gives his ID to reception (btw new system compared to last year, which is a little embarrassing for the slutty compared to the previous free-for-all, but actually better because more safe. ) In the room, he plants himself on the bed, gives me a granny kiss and starts trying to get the TV to work, and after trying for an extraordinary length of time, retreats to his phone. Declares that he's starving and asks if I have Uber Eats. I don't so he orders some food--from his friend, who luckily is still lurking in the area. Getting pretty crestfallen--so this is how boors spend their evenings. Then he asks how long was I wanting him to stay. Um, yeah, 3am like we had worked out earlier. He's like oh I know you said you had to leave at 3 but I didn't know you meant me to stay all that time. he backs away from this but says he didn't realize how much time there was between 8 and 3, which he then calculates on his fingers as 6 hours. He says for that price he can stay until 11. (It's already 9:30) I say, well we haven't done anything yet, if this is not worth it for you, I think you should leave and I get up and open the door. (I'm kind of scared tbh and this is one reason i think it's better to stay in a hotel, despite the discomforts, than an AIrbnb.)

He turns conciliatory and is like baby, I don't want you to be upset, etc. The meal arrives and it falls on me to go pick up the 2 hamburgers from the friend outside--for 2000 pesos (from the Styrofoam containers these did not appear to be $15 hamburgers) After eating, it does turn to sex and about 20 minutes of really awesome sex. Unlike yesterday, dick was rock hard for this and it's extraordinarily large and thick (it's even outside of my range of confident estimation). The only position I ever have pain is doggy and I'm actually getting a little (hurts so good) pain from missionary. I suggest we turn into the kind of side by side position (I never know what to call it) in part because dicks often go a little softer in that position. Unlike missionary though, his hands are free to use his phone, which he does, it's still pretty hot (although rather impersonal) that last about 20-30 until he declares he's tired, pulls out and closes his eyes. That's pretty much it. It's about 11pm. Considerably less sex than the day before, and well, anticlimactic in every respect. I would've been so much better with just an hour. Can someone explain paying for an overnight? As if the guy is going to wake up every few hours and fuck you because he's horny or something? That seems implausibly optimistic. The overnight seems to nix incentives for good performance (compared to start with an hour and go from there.) I really don't have any experience with this and really neither does my best friend whose idea it was. When alarm went off 2:30 i tried to rouse something up, but of course no incentive for that. And by the way, don't count on an Uber to the airport, at least not at 3am. It keeps connecting you to the same few people who uniformly refuse to take you unless you pay 3x price off-app. Kind of a parting insult. Although I must say the AA (female) counter agent made such goo-goo eyes at me, I did melt a bit from my so thankful I'm getting the fuck outta here.

All in all, it is tough for me to understand threads with titles like "48 hours of pure pleasure" Am I just going about it so wrong? I can concur that there is pleasure to be had--and intense pleasure at that--but pure?? No. It is leavened with a large amount of displeasure, inconvenience, even some fear. I must dissent.

 

[Latbear4blk]

If you have so much displeasure, and you are paying so high prices (compared to other South American destinations), why are you planning to return? Why do you not switch to Brazil or Colombia instead of RD?

[Canadianbtmguy]

On 2/8/2022 at 4:37 PM, Vanbcanthony said:

What can I say? Paying is fun, but getting a sexy hung top to fuck you relentlessly and drenched in sweat for free is on another level. Glad to know you had a great time there.

So my last thoughts, as I still wait here 4 more hours for my delayed flight, are much more general, and maybe someone who has undergone a similar journey may have some insight. I have a great husband, but this is about sex, not love, which in the (older) gay context are so often so independent. As I get older and older, I know I need to transition to a paid model of sex. Yes, I'm cheap, yes, it pains me to pay for something I can get for free, but it's so much more than that

You know, at least for me, it is such a pale pale pleasure to be turned around and fucked doggy by an escort so that he doesn't have to look at my face....compared to making out, looking into my eyes as, he breeds me, missionary, making me have to think twice that oh, yeah, he is doing this for the money, not because he had me thinking maybe, maybe he was actually turned on. Same with a free guy, who is not as good looking as the escort, but really fuckin wants my ass (like the 20 year old described above)

Yeah I'm 50, I need to transition into a paid model. It's so hard though. Yes, it takes ever more time and yields ever diminishing results. But every so often, every so often... There's a French movie about a 50ish female professor who develops an obsession with catfishing a college boy, as told to her 50ish female psychiatrist. The psychiatrist corners her, "You like it when men find you attractive, don't you?" to which she ruefully replies something to the effect of "It is a profound pleasure, and so difficult to surrender."

Can I transition to a paid model, spend less time looking for sex, and still be anywhere near as satisfied with it?

There was a guy at the 117 I used to have amazing times with and I told him you know, you are either Brazil's best actor or you actually enjoy having sex with me, even just a little bit. That kind of simulacrum, or the one I had on the first of the 2 nights with the Dominican hottie, that, that I think I could transition to. But, this seems both possible yet so difficult to find, how could this save time or effort?

So many years ago, I was an escort myself, you would have thought it could help clear my thinking today. No way would I make out with the clients, except the 1% who were attractive. It's so incongruous what I offered then and what I seek now.

Yet, to just turn around and take it doggie while I face the wall, it's just too bitter a pill to take

 

[Canadianbtmguy]

33 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said:

If you have so much displeasure, and you are paying so high prices (compared to other South American destinations), why are you planning to return? Why do you not switch to Brazil or Colombia instead of RD?

Maybe something got lost in the chronology, but I'd have to venture that these last few hours as I wait for my delayed flight at SDQ are to be my last in the RD, except maybe in the airspace on the way to Brazil.

I really do like Brazil, or really Rio I should say, or really Carioca men I should say...I have not been there since the pandemic, I miss it and I plan on going in summer/their winter. I does concern me that out of maybe 20 Brazilians I've met in other countries in the past year, all save 1 have said that Brazil has become significantly ever more dangerous even since the pandemic. Not really sure what to do with that information.

[Latbear4blk]

17 minutes ago, Canadianbtmguy said:

Not really sure what to do with that information.

Ignore it. Just be as cautious as you would be in any big city you do not know very well and you will have no issues.

[Guest]

I understand the conflicted feelings about paying for sex, and whether or not the provider finds you attractive.  

i don’t understand the question many seem to have about paying for an escort vs getting sex for free.  There’s always a price - and with unpaid sex with a new person, there will be significant time involved in the pursuit, often resulting in hours wasted and not getting what you want at the end.  So, it really boils down to the worth of your time and how much you are willing to invest in a typical frustrating unproductive search. Factor in that many of us are in 50s and 60s and it only gets worse.  

I prefer a paid sexual encounter, bc it’s completely on my terms.  And,  I have no trouble clearly communicating with the provider how I want sex.  I’ve found the escorts are much more comfortable when I am specific about my desires.  My success ratio is probably around 95%+ whether it’s rentboys from apps or a sauna situation.  Very little disappointment & no problem getting regulars.  The guys prefer regulars as well, knowing exactly what they’re getting into, in contrast to many unpredictable/unsafe situations from unknown clients. I’ve found many escorts prefer older clients because we tend to be much less problematic/less drama/more predictable.

We must all  deal with aging and the perceived & real changes in our physical/sexual desirability.  I can remember going to Pointe 202 in 2000 and I was being propositioned for hire - the customers thought I was a GP.  At the time, I was in the best shape of my life, deep tan & huge dick. Of course,they thought I was a Brazilian GP.  Oh how I miss those days

And now, 22 years later - I am the old guy gladly paying for sex bc I no longer wish to waste my time online or the rejection of being too old.   These adjustments are not easy, especially in the gay community where currency is youth & sexual desirability.  That’s the magic of a Brazilian sauna - those guys are so good at what they do, that you can actually forget about how old you are or how your body might look now….if only for a few minutes or hours.

My preference these days is the paid sex sauna model in Rio or Barcelona.  I just like the vibe & energy of a sauna - not to mention the ability to see the goods and the efficiency in numbers. Crime in Brazil has always been cause for concern, yet I never had a problem in at least a dozen trips  That said, I usually go to BCN now because it’s safer overall & doesn’t come with all the anxiety of being an aging gringo target in Brazil. And that is a real thing - the older you are, the more of a target you become. .  So, my choices today are more balanced between personal safety, getting what I want and not wasting a lot of time & effort in the process.  Likely, this same calculation will yield different results based upon individual circumstances. 

I don’t have a moral judgement about condom use. My general thought is that if the provider is not concerned about their own health, then they’re certainly not concerned about mine.  The two or three escorts in NY/Miami that I would consider regulars all require safe sex only.  They view condom use as a professional requirement - they don’t want preventable downtime where they can’t make money.  I’ve found these same 2-3 guys the most professional, punctual and honest in all my dealings.  So, in my experience there’s some correlation between personal responsibility and overall professionalism.  I’ll say it again - that’s my experience.

Thank you for the Santo Domingo update. It’s been on my radar for quite sometime bc it’s much easier than going to Brazil or Spain from east coast US.  I will rethink SD as everything you’ve discussed makes perfect sense and not sure I’m up for all the hassles there.

 

 

[Latbear4blk]

1 hour ago, Slvkguy said:

I understand the conflicted feelings about paying for sex, and whether or not the provider finds you attractive.  

i don’t understand the question many seem to have about paying for an escort vs getting sex for free.  There’s always a price - and with unpaid sex with a new person, there will be significant time involved in the pursuit, often resulting in hours wasted and not getting what you want at the end.  So, it really boils down to the worth of your time and how much you are willing to invest in a typical frustrating unproductive search. Factor in that many of us are in 50s and 60s and it only gets worse.  

I prefer a paid sexual encounter, bc it’s completely on my terms.  And,  I have no trouble clearly communicating with the provider how I want sex.  I’ve found the escorts are much more comfortable when I am specific about my desires.  My success ratio is probably around 95%+ whether it’s rentboys from apps or a sauna situation.  Very little disappointment & no problem getting regulars.  The guys prefer regulars as well, knowing exactly what they’re getting into, in contrast to many unpredictable/unsafe situations from unknown clients. I’ve found many escorts prefer older clients because we tend to be much less problematic/less drama/more predictable.

We must all  deal with aging and the perceived & real changes in our physical/sexual desirability.  I can remember going to Pointe 202 in 2000 and I was being propositioned for hire - the customers thought I was a GP.  At the time, I was in the best shape of my life, deep tan & huge dick. Of course,they thought I was a Brazilian GP.  Oh how I miss those days

And now, 22 years later - I am the old guy gladly paying for sex bc I no longer wish to waste my time online or the rejection of being too old.   These adjustments are not easy, especially in the gay community where currency is youth & sexual desirability.  That’s the magic of a Brazilian sauna - those guys are so good at what they do, that you can actually forget about how old you are or how your body might look now….if only for a few minutes or hours.

My preference these days is the paid sex sauna model in Rio or Barcelona.  I just like the vibe & energy of a sauna - not to mention the ability to see the goods and the efficiency in numbers. Crime in Brazil has always been cause for concern, yet I never had a problem in at least a dozen trips  That said, I usually go to BCN now because it’s safer overall & doesn’t come with all the anxiety of being an aging gringo target in Brazil. And that is a real thing - the older you are, the more of a target you become. .  So, my choices today are more balanced between personal safety, getting what I want and not wasting a lot of time & effort in the process.  Likely, this same calculation will yield different results based upon individual circumstances. 

I don’t have a moral judgement about condom use. My general thought is that if the provider is not concerned about their own health, then they’re certainly not concerned about mine.  The two or three escorts in NY/Miami that I would consider regulars all require safe sex only.  They view condom use as a professional requirement - they don’t want preventable downtime where they can’t make money.  I’ve found these same 2-3 guys the most professional, punctual and honest in all my dealings.  So, in my experience there’s some correlation between personal responsibility and overall professionalism.  I’ll say it again - that’s my experience.

Thank you for the Santo Domingo update. It’s been on my radar for quite sometime bc it’s much easier than going to Brazil or Spain from east coast US.  I will rethink SD as everything you’ve discussed makes perfect sense and not sure I’m up for all the hassles there.

 

 

With the right escort, there is no difference with unpaid sex. The best ones know how to find something attractive on anyone, and make it feel not transactional. It happens a lot to me, and I am almost 60.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Latbear4blk said:

With the right escort, there is no difference with unpaid sex. The best ones know how to find something attractive on anyone, and make it feel not transactional. It happens a lot to me, and I am almost 60.

yes, the best escorts can deliver an experience similar to unpaid sex, convincing the client with an authentic performance - as long as you PAY them for it

whether or not they find something attractive about the client is irrelevant to a professional escort.  but I understand why some need that internal dialogue for validation.  nobody wants to think of themselves reduced to “how much will it cost for you to have sex w me?”

and yes - I’ve heard all the stories about escorts that stay & stay at no charge and the client has to throw them out.  Or, better yet - the short term Brazilian “namorados” frequently mentioned in this forum - it’s still transactional, bc they’re getting something of value, that they couldn’t otherwise find somewhere else

the need to work around the inherent transactional nature of paid sex strikes me as an effort to avoid some sort of internalized shame.  the sooner that gets resolved the less confusion for everyone.  this is not complicated