Yet Another Pedophile Arrest - And not the first time for this guy!

[Gaybutton]

This "gentleman" was caught literally with his pants down. Would you believe he was arrested only a month ago for the same type of activity, but was out on bail? The story is just unreal.

 

For photos, see: http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.p...NEWS=0000008275

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The following appears in the PATTAYA DAILY NEWS:

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SERIAL ITALIAN PAEDOPHILE CAUGHT AGAIN HAVING SEX WITH YOUNG BOY

 

An Italian paedophile who has a long history of assaults on Thai boys has been found again having sex with a young boy at the Charknok reservoir.

 

At 6.00 pm on the 20th January, Mr. Supakorn Noja of the Child and Female Protection Squad was notified that a foreign man had been seen taking a Thai boy into a bush at the Charknok reservoir, Moo. 4, Huoyyai, Banglamung. Suspecting a case of child abuse concerned officials rushed to the scene to investigate.

 

At the scene parked in the bush, well hidden from view, police found a blue motorbike [Platinum, PX 125] with no number plate. They also found a boy performing hand sex on a foreigner who was later identified as Mr. Mannari Massimo [51] from Italy. They were both naked.

 

Mr. Mannari Massimo, otherwise known as Allan, gave police a driving license which identified his address as 133/4 Moo. 12, Nongprue, Banglamung. Mr. Massimo had been arrested many times before, charged with similar offences.

 

Police searched his bag and found a video camera, a digital camera, a box of condoms and some used condoms.

 

According to the boy, Dahm [alias] , Mr. Massimo had taken him to this bush about three times. The first time, he approached him in front of his school and asked him if he wanted to go for a ride. Mr. Massimo told him that he would take the boy to a shopping mall to do some shopping but he ended up being brought to the bush. He was given 200 baht each time for performing hand sex on the Italian.

 

Dahm said he could not refuse each time the man approached him because he threatened to kill him if he told anybody. Mr. Massimo videoed each occasion they had sex.

 

Mr. Supakorn Noja said Mr. Massimo had been previously arrested on 23rd December 2008 when police caught him having sex with a 13 year old boy. His record of abusing boys had added up to more than 40-50 cases in the previous years.

 

He normally approached boys at the Wat Suthawat School. As an alternative he would take boys from the Sunee Plaza to hotel rooms instead of the bush.

 

Police revealed that Mr. Mannari Massimo had a wife but she couldn’t put up with his behaviour and so she had left him.

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The following appears in PATTAYA ONE:

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Italian Man Suspected of Conducting a Lewd Act with a 12 year old Boy

 

On Tuesday Afternoon, Police Officers from the Children & Women Protection Center Region 2 were given information of a foreign man who was accused of conducting a lewd act with a young boy in bushes close to the Charknok Reservoir in Huoy Yai Municipality. Police Lieutenant Colonel Omsin and team of officers arrived at the location and found the suspect who was naked along with a naked Thai Boy aged only 12. They were caught as the lewd act was taking place.

 

The foreign man, later named as Mr. Massimo Mannari aged 49 from Italy was taken to Banglamung Police Station where it was determined that the man was already known to the Police who had arrested him in connection with another case involving sex with minors less than one month ago. He is also thought to have been involved in many other cases of the same nature in the past.

 

He intended to pay the boy 200 Baht for his services and also filmed the indecent act. He further revealed that he met the boy in front of a school and initially offered to take the boy shopping at a local Mall. In fact, by his own admission, he intended to take the boy to the reservoir. Mr. Mannari accepted that he had taken the young boy to the secluded area for the purpose of taking part in a sexual act in exchange for money and is now facing further criminal charges in addition to his previous outstanding cases.

 

There are calls for Mr. Mannari to be taken off the streets of Thailand for good, however Police could not confirm that bail would not be offered to this suspected pedophile.

[Guest Astrrro]

Police searched his bag and found some used condoms.

 

His record of abusing boys had added up to more than 40-50 cases in the previous years.

 

At least he's not a litterbug.

 

How can there be 40 different cases against him yet not be in jail?

 

[Gaybutton]

How can there be 40 different cases against him yet not be in jail?

That's what I'd like to know. I know many people who post are very insistent that we use the word "alleged" until someone is actually convicted, but in this case this man was caught in the act, and on top of everything else filming it, and he had been arrested for the same kind of thing only a month ago. Try getting me to use the word "alleged" in this case.

 

According to the article, his wife left him because of this kind of behavior, so that tells me this incident is not exactly the first time. I don't understand why they let someone like this out on bail, but I have a feeling that due to the publicity and since he obviously has no intention of stopping this behavior other than by force, he's not going to be granted bail again and he's not going to see the light of day as a free man again for quite some time. In prison he'll have all the sex he wants, but I have a feeling that when the other prisoners find out why he's in jail, he's going to have plenty of things shoved up his ass other than someone's cock.

 

It's sad that people like this either cannot or will not exercise self control. It would be hard to get me to agree with anyone who wants to say this man is not a pedophile. He had to be aware of the chances of getting caught, especially in light of the fact that he had been caught before. If the articles are correct about the number of times he's been caught, then apparently he's not exactly the most cunning pedophile around and apparently he's come to believe that it doesn't matter whether he gets caught or not. He simply pays whatever the bail amount is and presto! Right back out on the streets to start doing the very same thing yet again.

 

It's been a month since he was arrested last time. Why do I have a feeling that the day he was caught this time is not exactly the only day during this past month when he was doing this? I think this man is in real trouble this time.

 

He could end up in prison for a great many years. How would you like to spend the rest of your life in a Thai prison for the sake of having a 12 year old kid jack you off? What a stupid, useless way to ruin your life.

[Bob]

An obvious part of this problem is the Thai government's failure to do anything to kick these bastards out of the country and to stop them from coming into the country in the first place. One would think that one critical component at immigration would be having some recordkeeping of home country arrests/convictions (they do electronically swipe your passport and it's hard for me to believe that most western countries would not electronically share criminal records). These pedophiles likely didn't start their dirty business in Thailand and likely have at least some criminal record in their home countries.

 

But....presuming the article is correct in that the guy has a history of 40-50 cases in Thailand, why they hell didn't they jail him and/or throw his ass out of the country long before this poor kid was victimized! Amazing.

 

Oh.....and if you see the Pattaya Daily News article......those slimeballs have several photos of the kid involved (the kid's wearing sunglasses in most of them) plastered all over. Victimized again.....

[Gaybutton]

Oh.....and if you see the Pattaya Daily News article......those slimeballs have several photos of the kid involved (the kid's wearing sunglasses in most of them) plastered all over. Victimized again.....

I agree. I don't understand why they published photos of the boy. They usually don't do that. If his schoolmates see those photos, now it will be open season on him in the teasing and bullying department, as if things weren't bad enough for him already.

 

You know what else stinks? This guy was giving these kids 200 baht per "session." 200 baht! How generous of him.

[Guest laurence]

There has been some discussion on the forums as to what defines a pedophile. This guy is the quintessential pedo if there ever was one.

[Guest luvthai]

Surely this guy knew that they would be watching him. Usually I don't comment on the guys caught but this one needs to be put away. And to only pay the kid 200 baht what a cheap scumbag.

[Gaybutton]

Surely this guy knew that they would be watching him.

Maybe that's why he brought the boy to his little hideaway by the reservoir instead of to his own place.

 

First he stalks a school. Then he sets his sights on his target. Somehow he manages to speak to the boy in a location that won't arouse suspicions of adults or other kids. He lures them by promising to take them shopping, which he doesn't do. Instead he takes them to his 'secret spot' and somehow convinces the boy to have sex with him for 200 baht.

 

This is one news story I hope the media will follow up. Based on what I've read so far, I have a feeling that there are going to be a significant number of more of his victims who come forward and I also see a possibility that this man may turn out to be one of the most vile, prolific pedophiles ever to show up in Pattaya.

 

How would you like to be in his shoes? Even people who try to justify pedophile behavior are likely to come out against this "gentleman." I think even his own ex-wife is going to testify against him. The media says she left him because of this behavior. Obviously, somewhere along the line she mentioned that to somebody.

 

I am also angry because once again this kind of story ends up having the effect of stigmatizing Pattaya as a haven for pedophiles and since he was involved with young boys, it also stigmatizes the gay community further than we have already been unfairly stigmatized.

 

All this just so he can have himself a satisfying cum! If I ever met him, the first question I would ask would be, "Was it worth it?"

 

The prosecutor is going to have a field day with this one. I would love it if part of his sentence includes allowing each parent of each victim ten unsupervised minutes alone with him.

 

The only silver lining I see on this cloud is that at least he gives his victims money and a threat, however little, instead of (as far as we know) murdering them.

[KhorTose]

Every time I have spoken out against sex with children below 14, I get a bunch of crap from pedos on SGT and Ting and Tong. The main argument is that it is the business of Thais to do something about this, not us foreigners or NGOs. Seeing a sick wacko like this with 40-50 complaints still running around free leads me to believe that stopping the exploitation of children is a hopeless cause in this country. I have always believed that people are the same the world over. So someone tell me how adult Thais, especially adult police officers can stand by and let this happen. What is the matter with these people. This seems to transend culture differences, and it totally befuddles me. Will some of you that have lived here for a long time tell me what kind of mindset allows this bullshit to occur.

It is making me seriously consider retirement elsewhere.

[Gaybutton]

The main argument is that it is the business of Thais to do something about this, not us foreigners or NGOs.

 

So someone tell me how adult Thais, especially adult police officers can stand by and let this happen.

 

It is making me seriously consider retirement elsewhere.

I suppose on a technical basis, they're right, but that doesn't mean we have to sit around without at least speaking out about it. Maybe the people who insist it isn't our business need to consider what the extraordinary number of these arrests do to the public perception of Pattaya and gays who come here.

 

What do they think the reason is that customs officials hassle single males who are returning home from Thailand, especially if they've made multiple trips to Thailand? What do they think the reason is that the odds are that a single male returning home from Thailand is going to have his laptop computer and photos rigorously inspected? Maybe they forgot that a great many people are under the impression that gays are also all pedophiles, and simply the fact of being gay is still almost universally stigmatized in the first place. In my opinion, the idea that it's not our business is ridiculous.

 

Just why the police "stand by and let this happen" is a question I can't answer. I don't know what it takes before the police can consider that enough evidence has been gathered to make an arrest that will stand up in court. I am bothered by the fact that the police must have been following this guy if they knew where he took this boy, unless someone saw what was going on and called the police. The article doesn't say how the police knew where this man was. I'm bothered because in the majority of similar news stories I read, the police often wait for the act to be in progress before they make the actual arrest. Maybe that's necessary under the way Thai law works, but if it is, then changes need to be made so that the police can make the arrest without the boy actually having to be subjected to sex with the 'alleged' pedophile.

 

I hope you are not going to retire elsewhere. Certainly Thailand has it's problems, but I hope you won't allow these sick individuals to destroy your confidence in Thailand as a wonderful place to retire.

[Guest Oogleman]

Every time I have spoken out against sex with children below 14, I get a bunch of crap from pedos on SGT and Ting and Tong.

 

could you pm me a link to the tingtong thread u refer to? maybe i missed them. could you also pm me who you believe to be a pedo on my forum and any proof you have. I WILL act.

[Guest naughtybutnice]

I suppose on a technical basis, they're right, but that doesn't mean we have to sit around without at least speaking out about it. Maybe the people who insist it isn't our business need to consider what the extraordinary number of these arrests do to the public perception of Pattaya and gays who come here.

 

I am bothered by the fact that the police must have been following this guy if they knew where he took this boy, unless someone saw what was going on and called the police. The article doesn't say how the police knew where this man was.

 

Well said GB.

 

It is pleasing to see that members of this board are prepared to discuss and condem these pedo activities, unlike over at Sawatdee Forum where any mention of underage offences are locked or deleted which raises the question in my own mind as to why. Maybe some members of that forum prefer these activities are not publicised as they hit to close to home?

 

On your second point it would appear from this extract from the report: - At 6.00 pm on the 20th January, Mr. Supakorn Noja of the Child and Female Protection Squad was notified that a foreign man had been seen taking a Thai boy into a bush at the Charknok reservoir, Moo. 4, Huoyyai, Banglamung. Suspecting a case of child abuse concerned officials rushed to the scene to investigate. - that the guy was spotted by someone taking the boy to the spot and notified the authorities.

 

As you have said, the perception of much of the general public is that these offences are comitted by the gay community and that is a perception that will only be reinforced when gay forums refuse to even allow its members to have the opportunity to show their disgust and then the public begin to wonder why.

 

 

[Guest Steve1903]

Well no excuses on this one. The boy is clearly way under the appropriate age so I'm giving the old "innocent till proven guilty" line a swerve for this guy. Only hope he doesnt have enough money to set him free.

[payless]

Taken from a blog of a relatively well known freelance journalist Andrew Drummond, Bangkok –Andrew Drummond

The strange thing is, although child sex abusers in Pattaya are more cautious than 20 years ago, I never cease to be amazed about how open they can be about their activities.

Whenever a paedophile is arrested there are usually cries on blogs in Pattaya to have them ‘lynched’ or ‘castrated’ or worse. But these more often sound like the utterances of Pattaya’s prowling or resident ‘sex tourists’ which I guess gives them some sort of feeling of normality.

So, seriously, if you do know about British child sexual abusers in Thailand and those pictured here, and are cautious about approaching the Thai police, you should get in touch with CEOP where your information will be treated in confidence (www.ceop.gov.uk) .

I think if you read the messages in this thread Andrew Drummond has it about right.

[Gaybutton]

I think if you read the messages in this thread Andrew Drummond has it about right.

I hope I'm misinterpreting what you are implying because little makes me angrier than someone who starts saying that those who protest against pedophiles are likely, in reality, pedophiles themselves. In my opinion that is an absolutely idiotic, baseless, disgusting position. The implication is that those who reside here and also speak out against pedophiles are "prowling or resident ‘sex tourists’." I'd like to see either you or Mr. Drummond provide any evidence at all of the veracity of that statement.

 

In case you hadn't noticed, not a single one of the people who post against pedophiles on this board or any of the other boards has ever been arrested or even questioned about being pedophiles themselves.

 

Do those who speak out against pedophiles really have to start enduring baseless implications and accusations, with no evidence whatsoever, that they too are probably pedophiles?

 

I make no apologies for being gay. I make no apologies because I choose to make Pattaya my home. I make no apologies for speaking out against pedophiles. I make no apologies for being attracted to and enjoying the company of Asian boys who are at least 18 years old. However, if I have misunderstood what you were trying to say, then I do publicly apologize to you.

[Bob]

The couple of posts here that suggest that other forums (either Sawatdee or Ting Tong) either condone the pedophiles or that the posters may be pedophiles are simply wrong and insulting. I visit those other forums almost daily and I've never viewed that angle there. If somebody desires to repeat that insinuation again, I'd suggest you either give a specific example of such a posting or simply shut the hell up. There may be a few rude or idiotic boneheads posting at SWD (not usually at TT) but nobody at either board deserved the insulting pedophile comments made here.

 

P.S. I have viewed a few posts over the years that were deleted or locked when a poster has complained about seeing underaged kids in a bar and it was obvious from their comments that the moderators felt it was wrong for the discussion to occur (so as to avoid providing helpful information to a possible pedophile).

[Guest shebavon]

I make no apologies for being gay. I make no apologies because I choose to make Pattaya my home. I make no apologies for speaking out against pedophiles. I make no apologies for being attracted to and enjoying the company of Asian boys who are at least 18 years old. However, if I have misunderstood what you were trying to say, then I do publicly apologize to you.

Spot On! GB

 

There are many reasons to retire or vacation in Thailand. To imply that all Pattaya is a den of prowling sex residents or tourists is insulting to the city, its residents, and indeed the Kingdom of Thailand. What I found most troubling about the Drummond quote was the following:

 

"But these more often sound like the utterances of Pattaya’s prowling or resident ‘sex tourists’ which I guess gives them some sort of feeling of normality."

 

Adding in Payless', "I think if you read the messages in this thread Andrew Drummond has it about right."

 

It leaves me to share your suspicion of what is being implied.

 

Keep Musing GB

 

I understand this moron (not Drummond or payless) has been apprehended over 40 times in two countries. It seems to me someone in authority could have and certainly should have spoken up.

[payless]

I hope I'm misinterpreting what you are implying because little makes me angrier than someone who starts saying that those who protest against pedophiles are likely, in reality, pedophiles themselves. In my opinion that is an absolutely idiotic, baseless, disgusting position. The implication is that those who reside here and also speak out against pedophiles are "prowling or resident ‘sex tourists’." I'd like to see either you or Mr. Drummond provide any evidence at all of the veracity of that statement.

I am not, nor do I think Andrew Drummond is implying that people who participate in ''board talk'' are paedophiles.

I think that many people who come to Pattaya and many who live here are here because of the easy availability of sex, amongst other things. Drummond's blog comments are that those who do reside here seem to do little about the fairly obvious paedophile activity that goes on. His comment was as I interpret it is that residents and tourists seem just to huff and puff on the boards about it whenever a reported arrest takes place. He was saying if you see it report it.

Why is the topic really only addressed in detail when an arrest is made? Why do we not campaign against the many paedophiles and the bars that cater to their needs? I could name, as no doubt others can, which bars are selling under-aged and pre-puberty kids.

I also think that most of us do not live entirely normal lives (by western standards). The sex-visitor and sex-pat is usually near retirement age and we do like to off boys who are in their late teens or early twenties. We like to see boys parading in underwear or less. I personally would not take my siblings with me when I go out for a night on the town as I would be to embarrassed for them to see how I enjoy myself.

Finally I think most people who contribute to this sort of board are probably more sex tourist than culture vulture.

GB my comments probably do nothing to assuage your anger but I don't think there was the implication that you got from it.

 

[Gaybutton]

GB my comments probably do nothing to assuage your anger but I don't think there was the implication that you got from it.

Does that matter? What difference does it make whether I am angry or not?

 

The problem here is that I see nothing in the blog or your post that suggests reporting anything unless we personally witness it. In all my years in Thailand, I have yet to personally witness a pedophile having sex with a child or even taking a child to his hotel room (or behind bushes at a reservoir). Maybe you think we ought to call the police and report the bars that employ under age boys, just as if the police are not already fully aware of it.

 

All I see is the same implication you claim you are not making. So far, Shebavon sees the same thing.

 

On this board I warn people constantly not to engage in sex with under age boys. What else do you expect a board to do? Do you think the expat community or holiday makers should start doing the job the Thai police are supposed to be doing?

 

We don't permit posting the names of bars that hire under age boys because of Thailand's libel laws. As much as I would like to see the pedophiles go away, I'm not willing to set myself up for a lawsuit to participate in a Quixotic attempt.

 

The implication that the only true reason people choose to live here is for sex is utter nonsense. It may be included in the reasons, but it isn't the only reason. Even if it was, so what? As long as those who are here for only for sex are not breaking laws that could get them arrested, then as long as sex is available what reason would they have not to partake?

 

You wrote, "Finally I think most people who contribute to this sort of board are probably more sex tourist than culture vulture." You can think whatever you like and you are entitled to post your opinion, but your thoughts and opinions do not make it fact. I asked you for some evidence to support your opinion. I don't see any.

 

Your post included, "But these more often sound like the utterances of Pattaya’s prowling or resident ‘sex tourists’ which I guess gives them some sort of feeling of normality." I, for one, do not appreciate being called a resident sex tourist and I don't appreciate the statement that coming out against pedophiles would give me "some sort of feeling of normality." I think I'm perfectly normal, thank you very much. I also think the same about the vast majority of people who post here.

 

People have to make up their own minds as to whether they want to get personally involved. It isn't up to Drummond and it isn't up to you. The fact that people don't see it your way or Drummond's way doesn't make them less than normal.

 

In short, I will continue to vehemently protest about the pedophile problem whenever these reports come out. I will try to warn the pedophiles who read this message board, but I will not start doing the job the police are supposed to be doing. If that makes me something other than normal in your eyes, then I'll just have to be something other than normal.

[payless]

Well it sure didn't assuage much but GB you have just proved my point.

[Gaybutton]

Well it sure didn't assuage much but GB you have just proved my point.

Is that so? In what way is your point proven? As a matter of curiosity, just what is your point?

[Guest MonkeySee]

Surely this guy knew that they would be watching him. Usually I don't comment on the guys caught but this one needs to be put away. And to only pay the kid 200 baht what a cheap scumbag.

How would you feel about the guy if he paid the kid 1,000 baht. I guess he would just be a plain old scumbag?

 

[Guest Astrrro]

I don't think too many farangs would be visiting or living in Pattaya if it weren't for the sex.

 

Sex tourist/Sexpat puts a negative spin on it all but that's what most of us are.

 

Pedophilia is a whole different, separate, distinct issue and it's disingenuous for Drummond to link the two.

[Guest shebavon]

I don't think too many farangs would be visiting or living in Pattaya if it weren't for the sex.

 

Sex tourist/Sexpat puts a negative spin on it all but that's what most of us are.

 

Pedophilia is a whole different, separate, distinct issue and it's disingenuous for Drummond to link the two.

It may be true for your crowd, but there is much more to this city that makes it a great vacation and retirement spot for Russian, Chinese, Indian, families. North Jomtien Beach is teeming right now with Russian families.

 

For myself and many of my friends, perhaps we are a bit more intellectual than you and Payless. We have many reasons why we have chosen this place to settle. Many of the same reasons the Russian families have. Affordable property. To get the same condo I have in Florida would cost more than 10 times as much. Great restaurants at affordable prices, at least 1/3 that which I would have to pay back home for similar quality. I pay a little over 400 baht including tip to get my condo cleaned. $100 in Florida.

 

Basically, I live here because the choice for me is clear. To live in the USA, or to live well here in Pattaya.

 

I believe I have made the right choice. Of course, being in a place where I am consistently told how sexy I am is also a plus

[Guest laurence]

I don't think too many farangs would be visiting or living in Pattaya if it weren't for the sex.

Sex tourist/Sexpat puts a negative spin on it all but that's what most of us are.

Pedophilia is a whole different, separate, distinct issue and it's disingenuous for Drummond to link the two.

 

I agree with you Astrro, if not for the sex few of us would have been attracted to Thailand or Pattaya. Once here we have grown to enjoy it or tolerate it and live with it and, perhaps, it becomes our home and sex plays a secondary role. But I doubt that the temptations of the flesh ever fade away, or hopefully never fade! As far as the Russians, well, that to me is a reason not to come to Pattaya, but live and let live.