The best country/city for meetings boys in bars/clubs

[msclelovr]

9 hours ago, davet said:

So where did the hot cubans end up in Spain? At Thermas and Adan or in other jobs?

IME other jobs. Bear in mind, they lived with their sponsor who supported them for the first few years. So sex work wasn’t really interesting for them.
 

In later years, I know one who became a model, another Cuban is now an accountant and a couple have office jobs.

[Midguy1]

Ive been interested in visiting Cuba for a while, but havent made a trip yet.  Thank you @iendofor your very interesting report.  Look forward to reading more of your experiences. 

[macdaddi]

Going to throw my 2 cents into the pot..and since this is posted to the Latin America forum, may I suggest that the best cities in Latin American to meet local boys in the local bars/clubs (not sex adjacent) are:

- Havana, Cuba (they are always looking for foreigners, especially to pay for a night out that might cost you a whopping $15 total)

- Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic (healthy gay scene around El Conde and the local boys love to dance and fuck til late. Just be prepared to pay)

- Bogota, Colombia (Chapi-gay lives up to its name, there are always boys looking for something exotic -- meaning your white ass because you are not local)

- Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (see Santo Domingo, same rules apply)

- Mexico City, Mexico (twink quotient is super high, Mexicans love to meet new people and everyone is a stranger in DC. Plus strippers/go-go's leave 'em horny by end of the night)

- Santiago, Chile  (they don't see a lot of tourists, the locals will seek you out)

- LIma, Peru (If you don't look like an Andean local, you are going to stand out and Peruvians are curious about the world)

- Buenos Aires, Argentina (few foreigners i.e. non-latino travel this far; locals are friendly, proud and neurotic. Always very social)

Good luck with your hunt!

Mac

 

[Latbear4blk]

1 hour ago, macdaddi said:

Buenos Aires, Argentina ...  locals are friendly, proud and neurotic.

LOL

[davet]

When I went to Sto Domingo the first time, almost 20 years ago, there was a chic nightclub in the colonial district. It drew a mixed crowd, as in many countries hip young straights head to the gay clubs. Several very hot guys made their availability known, and I picked out one of the wildest romp in my life. That club is no more, but there is news on these forums that a similar one is opening up. I love these kind of places. I suspect the OP would like them too, but they are so few. My guess is to find the most chic gay club anywhere you go and check out the vibe.

Colombia has the friendliest, most gregarious people. That can present many opportunities, but also mixed signals, everywhere.

[davet]

On 5/24/2021 at 12:20 AM, msclelovr said:

Bear in mind, they lived with their sponsor who supported them for the first few years.

Very interesting but getting slightly off-topic. Somebody (me?) should start a thread about this kind of sponsorship, how likely are they to work out, maybe referrals to some sponsorship agencies.

[Lonely_John]

I agree with Argentina and Bogota but I'm always careful in Bogota as there are frequent stories of tourists being drugged and robbed by guys they met at the bars.

[msclelovr]

True @Lonely_John but I’ve heard of incidents involving the ‘Goodnight Cinderella’ (drugged drink) trick in various places, including cities in the US and South Africa, and not just Latin America. 
 

I feel gay men need to be very careful about the safety of their drinks, especially when out alone. It’s why I always ordered bottled beer. 
 

 

[Axiom2020]

On 5/26/2021 at 12:10 PM, macdaddi said:

Going to throw my 2 cents into the pot..and since this is posted to the Latin America forum, may I suggest that the best cities in Latin American to meet local boys in the local bars/clubs (not sex adjacent) are:

- - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (see Santo Domingo, same rules apply)

- Buenos Aires, Argentina (few foreigners i.e. non-latino travel this far; locals are friendly, proud and neurotic. Always very social)

Good luck with your hunt!

Mac

 

I have been to all of the cities that are listed in this post.  All of my very best sexual play has occurred in the two aforementioned in the original post.  I do hope to return for the culture, the men, the overall ambiance sometime in 2022 or 2023.

[tassojunior]

Medellin has a small block (Calle 57A) of hustler bars with a sex hotel with rainbow flag on the north side. The guys in Medellin are generally much better looking than in Bogota and half the price or less, but this block attracts the only ugly guys in Medellin somehow. I think the Definitive Columbia thread here still has photos. In spite of hot guys and perfect weather, Medellin is mostly worth it over Bogota if Club Tobi is open. 

[macdaddi]

On 6/2/2021 at 9:33 PM, tassojunior said:

Medellin has a small block (Calle 57A) of hustler bars with a sex hotel with rainbow flag on the north side. The guys in Medellin are generally much better looking than in Bogota and half the price or less, but this block attracts the only ugly guys in Medellin somehow. I think the Definitive Columbia thread here still has photos. In spite of hot guys and perfect weather, Medellin is mostly worth it over Bogota if Club Tobi is open. 

HI Tassojunior -- I didn't include Medellin on the list that I offered here because I don't find Medellin particularly "open" to foreigners, it takes some understanding of the culture to make contact, in my experience. But mileage can vary -- your experience could be quite different. 

Just to be precise, as posted elsewhere, the infamous "Calle de Pecados" (Calle 57A - Street of Sins) is almost completely abandoned now, including the sex hotel. The Machete Club is open infrequently, most of the other spots on this street appear to be closed permanently. This may change in the future,  but there were just 2 boys working the street when I was there a couple of months ago.  Sadly Club de Tobi is another victim of Covid19 -- the club closed last year (2020) and the building is now for sale. 

[tassojunior]

7 hours ago, macdaddi said:

HI Tassojunior -- I didn't include Medellin on the list that I offered here because I don't find Medellin particularly "open" to foreigners, it takes some understanding of the culture to make contact, in my experience. But mileage can vary -- your experience could be quite different. 

Just to be precise, as posted elsewhere, the infamous "Calle de Pecados" (Calle 57A - Street of Sins) is almost completely abandoned now, including the sex hotel. The Machete Club is open infrequently, most of the other spots on this street appear to be closed permanently. This may change in the future,  but there were just 2 boys working the street when I was there a couple of months ago.  Sadly Club de Tobi is another victim of Covid19 -- the club closed last year (2020) and the building is now for sale. 

 RIP Club Tobi . I hope it reopens in time somewhere, although that building was perfect. I met some of the best-looking muscle guys anywhere there for $18/hr just 3 years ago. The 57A seedy hustler bars will probably return after the pandemic but I never met anyone there worth seeing in 2 trips to Medellin.  It's not an international city as much as Bogota but it does have the big luxury tourist area of Poblado with gay cruising in the central park. Also 1/4 of the guys on Chaterbate seem to be in Medellin in group sex shows and are eager to meet. Medellin guys are extremely attractive (as anyone in Bogota will tell you). But without pre-made arrangements too risky. 

What of Puerto Vallarta? 

[tassojunior]

On 5/26/2021 at 3:10 PM, macdaddi said:

 

- Buenos Aires, Argentina (few foreigners i.e. non-latino travel this far; locals are friendly, proud and neurotic. Always very social)

 

Paris, inhabited by Italians speaking Spanish. 

[davet]

14 hours ago, tassojunior said:

Paris, inhabited by Italians speaking Spanish. 

With a few favelas right in the middle and Peru/Bolivia on the outskirts. Blue-haired, fox-stole ladies sharing the sidewalk with cardboard scrappers. Gotta love it.

[msclelovr]

I only ever saw 2 blue-rinsed ladies, and they were German lesbians. I did see many, many blonde women…far more than Nature intended. 

[Latbear4blk]

26 minutes ago, msclelovr said:

I only ever saw 2 blue-rinsed ladies, and they were German lesbians. I did see many, many blonde women…far more than Nature intended. 

The myth of White Argentina is one of the most rotund victories of Racism and European Supremacy. 

[macdaddi]

6 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

The myth of White Argentina is one of the most rotund victories of Racism and European Supremacy. 

Hells to the yes. I hope I will see the day when the issue of systemic racism and euro supremacy can be addressed (and fixed) for many latin countries. But given the long continuum that starts with survival, it is not a realistic goal for many countries on the continent. Ojala que podamos arreglar eso bien pronto.

[iendo]

Hi Guys,

I've been busy for a while and writing doesn't come that easy for me. For those of you who are interested:

Let me clarify the situation with my friend first. He is 53 and believe it or not, he doesn't pay for sex. I've known him for 20 years and this never changed. For people who are used to paying for sex, it might come as a surprise that a 53-year-old can have so many young guys, but he really can. I've seen boys follow him from Asia to Europe at their own expense. When he goes to Thailand, he goes to meet Chinese boys. These guys have their own money. He is always very clear about the money part. He usually gets his boys through the apps during the day and at night he goes out to drink and then sleep alone. I am the opposite.

Back to Cuba... I read @macdaddi 's post about $15 for a night out in Cuba. This is not my experience. Cuba is crazy expensive in more ways than one. But I can not speak for other people's experiences.

Day 2 was a Friday. In the daytime, we didn't do that much. At night Blondie came to pick us up to go to Pico Blanco. We had to pay some kind of entrance fee and then with the elevator to the top floor. I remember that the room was rather big with a single bar. There was a stage with many tables and chairs in front. We decided to sit at the right side of the stage but as far back as possible. I don't think it was overly expensive compared to the other places I've been to in Havana.

It was not busy when we entered but there were some cute guys. One was my friends' type and he didn't waste time going after him. I stayed at the table drinking with Blondie till my friend came back with the boy. He was cute, had light skin, short straight dark hair, and a tongue piercing. Ugghhh, I'm not into piercings. The worst is when they have a nose ring.

The boy, whose name I don't remember was very nice. He spoke fluent English and was interesting to talk to. In the meantime, the place filled up and Camilo also walked in. If you remember, he was the guy I met a night before and planned to meet this night in Pico Blanco. He looked just as cute as the night before. I invited him to come and sit next to me and we had some drinks. Around that time the show also started but that is all a blur to me now. I only remember that we had fun and we went in a group in an old Caddilac (could have been a chevy) to Mixto.

Mixto was as much fun as the night before. After a while, Camilo came to me and asked why I wanted a threesome. I was not sure what he meant. i told him that I wasn't interested in a threesome. Then he told me that Blondie had asked him duhhhh... yeah, I had asked Blondie to find a boy, but obviously not a boy that I was already on a date with.

Elian was in Mixto, too. HE WAS PISSED! And I don't mean drunk. As I said, he was 27 but looked very young and he was very small too. He was just cursing at my friend, who had dumped him the night before.

 

I spoke to Elian a couple of times that night. He was intelligent and also fluent in English. He explained that he had dated my friend a couple of days prior, and he was disappointed that my friend went with so many other boys. This is really the story of the 20 years that I've known my friend. I lost count of how many boys came to me with the love problems they had with my friend. Pretty amazing! Especially when you know how many really nice boys he just dumped. Again, not one time was it about money.

To be honest, this second day is hard for me to recall. Camilo went home with me and I did have a little crush. He had a perfect face and a perfect body... a great night. Besides this, no major crazy things happened. I think it all started to get crazy from day three.

I might write about day three when I have a few drinks. Somehow it's easier to remember those things after a few :-)

[bucky13]

^  Uhhhh, sounds to ME, everything gets quite blurry, fuzzy and down right dubious after a few...  :-)

[floridarob]

16 hours ago, iendo said:

Cuba is crazy expensive

You are talking about Cuba the country, right???
I'd never categorize Cuba, the country like this, lol 

16 hours ago, iendo said:

He explained that he had dated my friend a couple of days prior, and he was disappointed that my friend went with so many other boys. This is really the story of the 20 years that I've known my friend. I lost count of how many boys came to me with the love problems they had with my friend. Pretty amazing! Especially when you know how many really nice boys he just dumped. Again, not one time was it about money.

Sex for free or sex for money...which costs more.....sex for free. You pay with emotions, gifts, dinners, drama, etc.....

Like Charlie Sheen used to say when asked why he pays for sex....he said, I don't pay FOR sex....I pay for them to LEAVE after.

[Guest]

most people confuse the concept of paid sex. I hear many say “I don’t need to pay for sex” or other judgemental/poorly informed comments which is a way of putting people down in a passive/aggressive way.  I’ve been hiring since my early 20s and I’m now 59.  And, i’ve had several long term (non-paid) typical relationships w plenty of sex and I’m currently w parter of 13 years w a very active sex life.

that said - when I want something outside the relationship: I want it when, how & with whom I want it.  With clear communication and proper vetting of potential hires, I get exactly what I want with no problems.  Over more than 30 years, I can count the bad experiences on one hand. It just doesn’t happen if you check the guys out thoroughly and treat them with respect once they arrive.  And remember, these men are sex workers and go into questionable/dangerous situations at times - when they get treated as any guest in my home they quickly sense the difference and go out of their way to deliver a good experience.

once in awhile escorts that have become long term friends and a different type of relationship has developed.  but my preference is to keep it business with a clean transaction so we both get what we want and expectations are managed.

the previous comment of “there is no free sex” is correct - you pay one way or another.  

btw - the Cubans are “trustworthy” and generally won’t steal from you because almost everyone there is under surveillance of some kind (they have neighborhood watch groups that are spies and report up chain of command to government) and a thief wouldn’t last very long.  I spent some time there and I can’t remember ever visiting a country and feeling more safe day or night.  Crime was a complete non-issue.  They boys were not aggressive, but very interested in chatting up Americans.  I’d go back in a heartbeat.

 

[iendo]

17 hours ago, bucky13 said:

^  Uhhhh, sounds to ME, everything gets quite blurry, fuzzy and down right dubious after a few...  :-)

hehe, That's surely true for short-term memory. In this case, I am talking about summer 2019. The only reason i still know so much is because I've spoken about it with people who were there on multiple occasions, afterwards.

[iendo]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

You are talking about Cuba the country, right???
I'd never categorize Cuba, the country like this, lol 

Sex for free or sex for money...which costs more.....sex for free. You pay with emotions, gifts, dinners, drama, etc.....

Like Charlie Sheen used to say when asked why he pays for sex....he said, I don't pay FOR sex....I pay for them to LEAVE after.

Agreed, I should have said Havana because I've not been anywhere else. Your second point is valid too. But some people like the drama...as my friend does. I rather pay and know that I owe them nothing else.

I knew that quote, never knew it was from Charlie Sheen.

[iendo]

1 hour ago, Slvkguy said:

most people confuse the concept of paid sex. I hear many say “I don’t need to pay for sex” or other judgemental/poorly informed comments which is a way of putting people down in a passive/aggressive way.  I’ve been hiring since my early 20s and I’m now 59.  And, i’ve had several long term (non-paid) typical relationships w plenty of sex and I’m currently w parter of 13 years w a very active sex life.

that said - when I want something outside the relationship: I want it when, how & with whom I want it.  With clear communication and proper vetting of potential hires, I get exactly what I want with no problems.  Over more than 30 years, I can count the bad experiences on one hand. It just doesn’t happen if you check the guys out thoroughly and treat them with respect once they arrive.  And remember, these men are sex workers and go into questionable/dangerous situations at times - when they get treated as any guest in my home they quickly sense the difference and go out of their way to deliver a good experience.

once in awhile escorts that have become long term friends and a different type of relationship has developed.  but my preference is to keep it business with a clean transaction so we both get what we want and expectations are managed.

the previous comment of “there is no free sex” is correct - you pay one way or another.  

btw - the Cubans are “trustworthy” and generally won’t steal from you because almost everyone there is under surveillance of some kind (they have neighborhood watch groups that are spies and report up chain of command to government) and a thief wouldn’t last very long.  I spent some time there and I can’t remember ever visiting a country and feeling more safe day or night.  Crime was a complete non-issue.  They boys were not aggressive, but very interested in chatting up Americans.  I’d go back in a heartbeat.

 

In the case of my friend, I can tell you that it is about how paying would make him feel. He is not greedy but always wants to feel wanted. He never put me down for paying. I'm pretty open about that.

Your last point, there are some pretty messed up scams going on in Havana. I'll explain how it works in the next post. Some of you might already know it. In short, some guys pretend to be police (they might even be) and try to get money from you because you are walking with a Cuban boy.

[floridarob]

3 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

and generally won’t steal from you

Generally......Had someone steal the key from the neighbor that cleans the apt I stayed at and showed up when he knew I'd be out, even stole the whole suitcase. Luckily I didn't keep valuables in the apt.

Had a friend walking in old Havana, someone riding on a bike rode by and rippid his gold chain off his neck.

Had various little things taken, like nail clippers, sunglasses, etc.... that you don't realize until you go to use it.

Had a cop come to my room to collect his payoff for not arresting my Cuban friend for peeing in the street.

I could go on....is pretty safe...but I've had more thievery happen in Cuba than Rio or Bangkok....your mileage may vary