The best country/city for meetings boys in bars/clubs

[iendo]

I've been reading through this forum many times but I can't seem to find what I am looking for. I've said before that I'm not into sauna's and not into macho boys. When I read these threads it seems like that there is nothing else on offer in this part of the world.

Bars or clubs with (twink) moneyboys would be perfect for me.

Is there anyone with the same interests and maybe some tips? I'd love to hear some experiences.

Thanks in advance.

[msclelovr]

Short answer: Buenos Aires, Argentina and Bogota, Colombia.
 

Long answer: I’m into muscleboys but various working guys exist. Certainly there are younger guys anxious to meet rich older foreigners. The problem is that it’s hard to predict what gay gyms, clubs or bars will reopen after the pandemic eases. 
 

IME there are many younger guys in Buenos Aires looking for an older lover. Argentine citizens carry their ID with them so it’s easy to check their age. I suggest you always do this as I have been propositioned by guys below the age of consent (18 in Argentina) on the street, in shopping malls as well as bars and gyms. Obviously it’s a major help if you speak Spanish well. 

[Latbear4blk]

4 hours ago, msclelovr said:

Short answer: Buenos Aires, Argentina and Bogota, Colombia.
 

Long answer: I’m into muscleboys but various working guys exist. Certainly there are younger guys anxious to meet rich older foreigners. The problem is that it’s hard to predict what gay gyms, clubs or bars will reopen after the pandemic eases. 
 

IME there are many younger guys in Buenos Aires looking for an older lover. Argentine citizens carry their ID with them so it’s easy to check their age. I suggest you always do this as I have been propositioned by guys below the age of consent (18 in Argentina) on the street, in shopping malls as well as bars and gyms. Obviously it’s a major help if you speak Spanish well. 

I am surprised you did not include Rio. I did not answer the question because I do not think it is a question well asked. I do not think there is such a thing as "the best place to meet boys". The best place for you may not be the best place for me. Others friends could have listed São Paulo, Salvador, Mexico DF, the Mayan Peninsula, Berlin, Varsovia, Bangkok, Manila, and the list may go on and on. 

PS. I just realized I did not list any city from North Africa. I would have not done that twenty years ago.

[floridarob]

3 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

I am surprised you did not include Rio. I did not answer the question because I do not think it is a question well asked. I do not think there is such a thing as "the best place to meet boys". The best place for you may not be the best place for me. Others friends could have listed São Paulo, Salvador, Mexico DF, the Mayan Peninsula, Berlin, Varsovia, Bangkok, Manila, and the list may go on and on. 

PS. I just realized I did not list any city from North Africa. I would have not done that twenty years ago.

Ditto

[babybear2]

Bangkok will suit you well, tons of bars with boys to choose from

tons of twinks as well

just a bit pricy compared to brazil though 

[Keithambrose]

Don't forget that all bars in Bangkok are closed at present..

[iendo]

On 5/16/2021 at 2:58 PM, Latbear4blk said:

I am surprised you did not include Rio. I did not answer the question because I do not think it is a question well asked. I do not think there is such a thing as "the best place to meet boys". The best place for you may not be the best place for me. Others friends could have listed São Paulo, Salvador, Mexico DF, the Mayan Peninsula, Berlin, Varsovia, Bangkok, Manila, and the list may go on and on. 

PS. I just realized I did not list any city from North Africa. I would have not done that twenty years ago.

Did I misunderstand what this "Latin America destinations" thread means? Many of your suggestions (regardless of how much fun they are) would not qualify geographically.

My question did not only consist of a title. Granted, I could have specified even more, but I certainly didn't ask a generic question. The thing is, if you were like-minded, you might have told me one of your favorite options and experiences there. Then, I could have decided for myself if that would be of interest to me.

You went with the philosophical approach, which I would put in the same category of correcting someones spelling or grammar on a board like this. 

[iendo]

On 5/16/2021 at 10:19 AM, msclelovr said:

Short answer: Buenos Aires, Argentina and Bogota, Colombia.
 

Long answer: I’m into muscleboys but various working guys exist. Certainly there are younger guys anxious to meet rich older foreigners. The problem is that it’s hard to predict what gay gyms, clubs or bars will reopen after the pandemic eases. 
 

IME there are many younger guys in Buenos Aires looking for an older lover. Argentine citizens carry their ID with them so it’s easy to check their age. I suggest you always do this as I have been propositioned by guys below the age of consent (18 in Argentina) on the street, in shopping malls as well as bars and gyms. Obviously it’s a major help if you speak Spanish well. 

Hey, thanks for your response.

Your handle gave you away. :-) But, you seem to be representative of board members in this region. Your suggestion to look into Argentina is interesting enough. To be honest, I've never thought about that country. I'm not fluent in Spanish but I do speak it conversational. I'll do some searches on Buenos Aires. If a certain club/bar comes to mind, please let me know.

 

[iendo]

On 5/16/2021 at 6:05 PM, babybear2 said:

Bangkok will suit you well, tons of bars with boys to choose from

tons of twinks as well

just a bit pricy compared to brazil though 

Thailand is perfect indeed. I'm looking for something the Americas, though.

Shocking, is Brazil cheaper than Thailand?

[floridarob]

5 hours ago, iendo said:

Shocking, is Brazil cheaper than Thailand?

With the current exchange rate....yes

Mexico has a LOT of places to find what you're looking for as well....

[iendo]

3 hours ago, floridarob said:

With the current exchange rate....yes

Mexico has a LOT of places to find what you're looking for as well....

Mexico also seems to be hassle free. They do not even require a PCR test. I'm not sure about the current bar situation in Mexico City.

Cuba, is also great and I would love to visit during the August carnival. For now they have not decided if this will take place and bars like Mixto and Las Vegas are closed.

[floridarob]

8 hours ago, iendo said:

For now they have not decided if this will take place

Things are very bad in Cuba now....being compared to the 1990's.

 

[iendo]

On 5/18/2021 at 2:52 PM, floridarob said:

Things are very bad in Cuba now....being compared to the 1990's.

 

Really?

I've been there four times in 2019. The best time for me was in August. Boy's were literally everywhere we went. Must have been 5 clubs and 1 restaurant that turned into a bar on Thursday. It was actually the night that I arrived and it was the first place my friend took me too.  On entrance, we got a sticker with a number on our chest and we were off to the races.

Considering that it was/is one of my favorite place, I wonder how was it better in the 90's.

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, iendo said:

Really?

I've been there four times in 2019. The best time for me was in August. Boy's were literally everywhere we went. Must have been 5 clubs and 1 restaurant that turned into a bar on Thursday. It was actually the night that I arrived and it was the first place my friend took me too.  On entrance, we got a sticker with a number on our chest and we were off to the races.

Considering that it was/is one of my favorite place, I wonder how was it better in the 90's.

Not better in the 90's...I'm talking about the "Special Period" when there wasn't gas or food available......better was in the early 2000's

[Latbear4blk]

1 hour ago, floridarob said:

Not better in the 90's...I'm talking about the "Special Period" when there wasn't gas or food available......better was in the early 2000's

I do not think he cares about the specific dating, 90s or whenever. He wants to know how it was better, considering he had a greats time in 2029. 

I am not trying to be his interpreter. I want to know how.

[msclelovr]

Well, earlier than 2019 -some years before - there were lots of great looking young Cubans with fit bodies.
 

Many of them found older admirers and got exit visas for Spain. (And as is the way of the world, several young men left their older admirers after 3 years ie once they had established residency rights in Spain)

[Latbear4blk]

1 hour ago, msclelovr said:

Well, earlier than 2019 -some years before - there were lots of great looking young Cubans with fit bodies.
 

Many of them found older admirers and got exit visas for Spain. (And as is the way of the world, several young men left their older admirers after 3 years ie once they had established residency rights in Spain)

@iendo, would you give us more details on your visits in 2019? Please?

[iendo]

8 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

@iendo, would you give us more details on your visits in 2019? Please?

I'm not good at telling stories but I can try recollect a much information as possible.

That first night i arrived late. My friend had already spend a week in Havana, so when I arrived I took a taxi straight to the Airbnb. I must have arrived at there between 09.30 PM and 10:30 PM. We stayed a couple of hundred meters from Mixto.

After bringing up my suitcases, I took a shower, got dressed and we were on our way. We walked from from the apartment the long way around via the Malecon to the intersection of Infanta (where Las Vegas is) and Avenida 23. This place was crazy. There were literally hundreds guys hanging around there. This was such a shock but at the same time a very pleasant surprise. I mean, all types of boys were present there. Darker skinned, lighter skinned, older, younger, slim, slim fat, muscled and so on. Many groups had their own drinks with them and were just having a good time. It was very easy to make contact and guys often walked up to us to say hello. A heads-up, while there is always gay activity at night around that intersection, I've never seen it as busy as in mid August 2019.

We only stayed about 30 minutes and flagged down a taxi to take us to that restaurant bar I was talking about. I will have to ask my friend (if anyone is interested) the name because I really don't remember. What I will never forgot is it's location. It was in the middle of a normal neighborhood. It was a quiet backstreet with villas, or at-least bigger size houses, no flats.  The music was booming, and I don't know how that was allowed.

Anyway, we went inside and my friend might have paid an entrance fee for us. The doorman let us in and when we walked through the gate we came into a courtyard already full with people. This was the outside section with seating on the left, on the right side of that people were standing. Even more right people could walk up and down and on the most right was a section with a back drop were you could take pictures. it was like you see on those red-carpet events. Just a backdrop with some advertising on it. We actually spend most of our time standing there. Unintentionally, I might ad, but it was a great place because everyone would take their picture there and many people asked us to be in their pictures.

Because I've only been there 1 time, I cannot tell you if this was a special event. This night however, which was on a Thursday was busy and fun. Someone approached us when we entered to stick a number on our chest. I'm really doing my best to remember how it worked but COVID-19 really did a number on my brain. I think you could write notes, or maybe even leave notes somewhere, or buy a drink for someone. Honestly, I can't remember. 

There were two bars if memory serves me right. One of them was in the outside area and the other inside. We met interesting Cuban guys but also a guy from Scotland. Honestly, it was to early for me to feel as comfortable with everything as I did from the second day. Actually, you could say until I was drunk that night. You must know, I lived in Luton, England at that time and it was quit a culture shock, straight out of the plane. We had a good time, did a lot of flirting and many guys flirted with us. Nevertheless, we didn't stay long because we had other places to see. We got into a taxi and were off to mixto.

For those of you who like dark skinned muscle boys, you will love the doormen at Mixto. Besides great bodies, some of them were extremely good looking. it is my understanding that these guys are straight, but don't pin me on that. I'm not sure how to explain this, but the entrance to Mixto is very interesting. The doormen our outside. When they let you in, you first have to go up one or two steps. Then you have 2 or 3 meters to the door. That outside space i also a couple of meters wide. You were not allowed to bring glasses there but you could put you drink in a plastic cup, and take it there. Why is this important? It was were we spend a lot of time. People who smoked (not us) could have a sig there and it was a great please for chatting. I noticed that they don't always have plastic cups on subsequent visits. My advice, bring one if you like to hang around outside.

Anyone, it was early for Mixto standards when we came in. When you open the door, there is a black curtain that you have to go through. My friend took the lead and I followed. On the right side of the door (inside) was a boy standing alone. He must have been 23. Funny, I never asked him his age. But yeah, he was a bit manly, but other than that he was handsome enough. His hair was dyed blond, something that looked really good on him.

My friend kept walking and I followed him. Mixto is not that big and the bar is immidiatly at the left. My friend ordered drinks and it came as no shock that they spoiled mine. I don't like lime in my drink at all. Normally when they put a lime in accidentally, you can just take it out. It will still taste of lime a little but it's drinkable. In Mixto however, they poor lime juice in and that make a Cuba Libre undrinkable for me. Great, I had a reason to contact the boy. he was standing there without a drink so I went over and gave him mine. I just asked him if he wanted it, he said yes, I gave it and walked away again. First contact was made and he seemed to be pleased. This is also they guy I took home later that night, but before that, there were many hours of fun with other guys.

Across the street from Mixto is a small park. At a certain moment I went outside to look around. I had just arrived in Cuba and i wanted to see a little more than clubs. There were also many guys sitting in the park and that might have played a roll to for my eagerness to get out there. Making contact was extremely easy especially as I had a little more to drink now. As I understood, most of the boys outside couldn't get into Mixto. It was fun flirting with them and I'm sure I could have taking a couple of them home. At that time, I already knew that I wanted the blond guy.

After some good chats I went back inside and met someone who would be my date for the next night. I don't feel comfortable with sharing names so let call him Camilo. My god, he was a student and lived a couple of hundred km from Havana. Like many other guys he was on a summer holiday. He was short, had a great body and eyes to die for. He looked a younger than that he was. If i remember correctly he was 21, but he looked like he was 18. We agreed to meet the next day in Pico Blanco, a club in the penthouse of a hotel that had gay nights on Friday. Sadly, it's closed a few months after my first visit.

Back too Blondie! If you've never been to Cuba, you have to know that boys are very pushy when it comes to asking for drinks. You would almost think they are getting paid a commission. Where I am used to feeling lucky if a boy likes to drink and party in some Asian countries, in Cuba, I had no such worries. Blondie would feel no shame in asking me for drinks. Actually, that first drink I gave him he must have drank under protest. After that, I've never seen him drink anything else but beer. When Blondie would get a beer, he would always offer a sip to his friends when they walked by. Mixto was full of guys who just didn't have drinks. Not weird, if you consider that they were not cheap. Again, i am not sure but I think 4 or 5 CUC. Which is crazy if you think of it. On the other hand, Mixto is so small that cheap drinks might attract too many people. There were also some big spenders who would have a table near the dance-floor or upstairs on the balcony. They would have one or more bottles of hard liqueur in front of them.

I already feel like I am writing a book so I'll try to finish the story of my first night. i really cannot say how many boys I've spoken with and who were very willing to go home with me. It was truly insane. It's not that Cuba was my first rodeo. Other than the Thai gogo/ host bars and clubs like DJ station, I've not often seen. maybe Cabaret Tito in Mexico city in the early 2000, but I was at my peak myself what looks and age is considered. So yeah, Havana was something really special and it brought back feelings I hadn't had for many years. Even I wanted to, I couldn't recall all the things that took place that night. There was a lot of flirting, kissing (openly), ass grabbing and hands that disappeared in trousers.

Ugh, I wanted to end this but I just realized what else happened when we went home. There is a whole story that leads up to this but I want to keep it short. My friend was talking to a guy (Elian) and I told him I was going home with blondie. He said he would go home too. LOL, so drunk me invited Elian that he was talking too to come with us. Elian agreed and we started walking. Like i said, it was only a few hundred meters to our apartment so a few minutes later the four of us were sitting in our living room. Elian was 27 years old. He looked no day over 21 and maybe even younger. We had some drinks and i asked if they would like some chocolate, and both said yes. I'd bought a lot of treats because I knew about the situation in Cuba. My friend told me to bring toilet paper and treats.

When came back with a big Cadburry bar, Elian grabbed it and put it in his pocket. Yeah, he wasn't sharing that bad boy, lol. Blondie had a disgusted look on his face and he wasn't wrong. i told him that I would give him some later in my bedroom. That's basically were we went after that. I already had taken a shower and when blondie was in the shower there was some noise coming from the hallway. Elian was standing their naked and my friend was telling him to leave. This is not the first time this had happened to my friend. in fact, he very often invites boys but then asks them to leave very quickly. I had forgotten that I was the one who invited Elian, but this was something i would be reminded of in the days to come. Anyway, he got kicked out.

I just went back to my room where blondie just came out of the shower. Nice body but a little bit bigger (not fat) than what I normally go for. He was top, which i am too, so that didn't fit. Actually, I didn't mind. He had a big tool to play with and he was a passionate kisser. That night, I already decided that I wanted a threesome with him and a bottom. I told him as much and also that he should find the bottom, this gets interesting if there will be a sequel to this post. The same goes for the stories with Elian.

Blondie stayed the night, and I normally don't like that. We woke up in the afternoon. I can't remember if there was another session but when he left, I gave him some chocolate and 20 CUC. He thanked me and left. Now, I had no idea what to give him. I didn't want to give too much and not to little. What I understood from what doctors made in Cuba, 20 CUC would be more than enough. After visiting there on multiple occasions, I am still not sure. Boys never complained and never asked for money, other than the ought CUC for phone credit or taxi. Now don't think I'm cheap. it's just that i didn't have the normal John experience when I was in Cuba. For example, my friend doesn't pay for sex and his boys kept coming back because there was actually no money needed. I'd rather pay to be honest.

These were just some of my memories of the top of my head. I am not sure what you are specifically interested in. Some might want to hear more about the sex, personally, I think that I shared more than I normally would :-)

Lastly, I wrote this and I'm not going to Grammar or spellcheck. People who have a hard time dealing with this kind of writing will have to suck it up, hehe.

 

 

 

 

[msclelovr]

Thanks for writing further @iendo but I thought you’d said that you were “not into macho boys”.

So when did the more feminine or slimmer young men feature in your adventures? 

[iendo]

38 minutes ago, msclelovr said:

Thanks for writing further @iendo but I thought you’d said that you were “not into macho boys”.

So when did the more feminine or slimmer young men feature in your adventures? 

Haha, that started on day two. Well, don't forget there already was a lot going on in and outside Mixto that night. While I would call blondie more manly than the boys I am normally into, my definition of "macho" is much more masculine. But I agree, he was definitely borderline. His age, at least perceived, and drinks might have given him the nod.  

I can write what happened on day 2 of 7 in a couple of days. It took me 2 hours to write this last post and I'm done for today.

Wait, I do want to give my definitions to clarify my taste:

X  Straight: i guess this speaks for itself. However, they could also fall in most categories below.

X  Macho: manly acting guys that are muscled.

*   Manly: manly acting guys that are on the slimmer side. When, then I prefer them with soft facial features.

** Boyish: They don't have specific manly or feminine features. Max age I would say +/- 25

*   Feminine: Is OK for me if they don't wear make-up or are too slim. They shouldn't be to extrovert either.

X  Lady boys: I guess this also speaks for it self.

They X-es are not for me. The * are very welcome and I had a lot of fun with them. The ** are butterfly in the stomach material.

The above is based on looks and motor coordination.

 

[Latbear4blk]

Thank you for your reports @iendo! Keep bringing details when you have time, please. Yours is, I think, the freshest report we have on Cuba. It is interesting, because your experience seems to contradict a quite established narrative here. According to this narrative, the good times for gay tourism are way behind in the island. 

[floridarob]

4 hours ago, iendo said:

There were also some big spenders who would have a table near the dance-floor or upstairs on the balcony. They would have one or more bottles of hard liqueur in front of them.

Bottle service in Cuba  isn't like the rest of the world....is very cheap....cheaper than by the glass, so it makes perfect sense....even frugal me bought bottles in Cuba, lol

4 hours ago, iendo said:

This is not the first time this had happened to my friend. in fact, he very often invites boys but then asks them to leave very quickly

Did he at least pay them something, this doesn't sound fair and is a recipe for disaster one day otherwise.

4 hours ago, iendo said:

When came back with a big Cadburry bar, Elian grabbed it and put it in his pocket. Yeah, he wasn't sharing that bad boy, lol. Blondie had a disgusted look on his face and he wasn't wrong

Things like that make me crazy......

Things that have changed in the many years of going to Cuba, in my eyes:

The guys are more "gay for pay" and look for reasons not to perform, too drunk, they're the same position as you, they have to be home because they have the key to the apt and their aunt, friend, gf, bf...create whatever excuse to leave.

NEVER would they have thought of stealing something because the fear of the police. Now, and I have a pic of a cop in my room coming for his payoff....the cops are just as bad as the pingeros (hustlers)...some are even in cahoots with each other.

I used to be amazed at how poor someone would be yet so clean and smelling good (except for feet, smelly feet in Cuba is something)...... my recent trips, 2 yrs ago...so much bad breath, missing/crooked teeth.....like someone said, it was as though all the good looking guys left Cuba to Spain (was an easy process)


You can't compare any Asian country to a latin one for hot sex....I've said it for all my years on these boards. It's Latin blood that  boils......I like and have been to Asia at least 50+ times, but sex is a very different experience.


At one point in my life I would've put Havana on par with Brasil, however, Brasil has remained as good if not better....Have you been to Brasil?

[iendo]

52 minutes ago, floridarob said:

 

Did he at least pay them something, this doesn't sound fair and is a recipe for disaster one day otherwise.

 

thanks Rob, I'll get back to your questions in a couple of days.

[Latbear4blk]

I am loving this thread! While we wait for the next post (from whoever, everyone is being VERY informative!), let me share one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite Cuban singers.

 

[davet]

So where did the hot cubans end up in Spain? At Thermas and Adan or in other jobs?