TotallyOz Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 This can't be good news! https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/13/health/johnson-vaccine-pause-cdc-fda/index.html This is the one I wanted to take in Thailand. It is approved here but this may create an issue outside the USA in many ways. KeepItReal 1 Quote
TotallyOz Posted April 13, 2021 Author Posted April 13, 2021 From ABC https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-calls-halt-johnson-johnson-vaccination-blood-clot/story?id=77040882 Quote
spoon Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Similar issues with astrazeneca regarding the blood clot. While its great to see countries are not afraid to suspend when vaccine has some issues, definitely not a good news for those who are waiting to get vaccinated as this means further delay. Quote
KeepItReal Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, TotallyOz said: From ABC https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-calls-halt-johnson-johnson-vaccination-blood-clot/story?id=77040882 An abundance of caution indeed. This is a very small number and specific to a sex and age group. I am sure there will be more to come... Quote
KeepItReal Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, spoon said: Similar issues with astrazeneca regarding the blood clot. While its great to see countries are not afraid to suspend when vaccine has some issues, definitely not a good news for those who are waiting to get vaccinated as this means further delay. It is important to note that neither the FDA nor the CDC recommended revoking its use authorization. Social media will have a field day with this- will add to the hesitancy and likely have an impact far beyond that which is warranted. Quote
caeron Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 These pauses seem really ill conceived to me. The vaccine hesitancy you're going to permanently generate just doesn't seem worth it given Covid's continued deadly rampage. Riobard 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted April 13, 2021 Members Posted April 13, 2021 The average person cannot grasp the probability math. Quote
Half-vaccinated Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 This is one of the reasons I'm running around half-vaccinated until May. Quote
10tazione Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Riobard said: The average person cannot grasp the probability math. For young/female people it would be be worth to take a closer look to the data because there is a point where the probablity of dying of covid is about the same as dying of the vaccine. So while for the "average" person it is good to take the vaccine for young people it could be quite different. How much risk do we expect/demand/ask young people to take to give an advantage to the population? Quote
spoon Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 Apparently blood clot issue are also observed on recovered covid patient based on a study in singapore. One things to add to the consideration. 6 minutes ago, 10tazione said: For young/female people it would be be worth to take a closer look to the data because there is a point where the probablity of dying of covid is about the same as dying of the vaccine. So while for the "average" person it is good to take the vaccine for young people it could be quite different. How much risk do we expect/demand/ask young people to take to give an advantage to the population? https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/long-haul-covid-19-blood-clots-recovered-ntu-singapore-14612592 Quote
Members Riobard Posted April 14, 2021 Members Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, 10tazione said: For young/female people it would be be worth to take a closer look to the data because there is a point where the probablity of dying of covid is about the same as dying of the vaccine. So while for the "average" person it is good to take the vaccine for young people it could be quite different. How much risk do we expect/demand/ask young people to take to give an advantage to the population? A huge amount of moving parts and we will likely see a lot of comparative metrics. Say we keep it to risk of blood clots among those inoculated and the proportion of clot-poz vaxx recipients dying. And vet out dumb analogies such as crushed by a vending machine. Risk of acquiring CoV by age, risk of dying from COVID stratified across age (in Canada .064% or 1-in-1,570 by reported CoV incidence age 20-49; or .002% when estimating true case incidence). Risk of blood clots associated with CoV itself, itself also a quantifiable probability, degree to which clots occur and contribute to mortality variance among the infected, adjusting mortality rate according to case incidence ascertainment bias (undercount) as I did for Canada, etc etc. Risk of blood clots associated with other elective products such as birth control pill or smoking, risk of dying of blood clots associated with vaccine if post-vaxx surveillance and pre-emptive intervention were to be added, controlling for comorbidity in assessing risk of COVID death among those <50 and in assessing risk of clots among vaxx’d <50, etc, etc. Haven’t had my morning coffee yet, but in the spirit of adding illustrations ... the death table, not the clot metrics, is from CDC. groenthusiast and JKane 2 Quote
