Members RockHardNYC Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 10 hours ago, caeron said: Personally, I will patronize any establishment even devout christian ones, but once they make their jerkishness so obvious I can't ignore it, I don't ignore it. +1 10 hours ago, Latbear4blk said: Why should I not eat those delicious biscuit and chicken sandwiches? 11 hours ago, tassojunior said: I'm not into chicken sandwiches but love Cracker Barrel and Dave's Doubles at Wendy's. A bad diet is not good for the brain, body, and soul. It can seriously fuck things up. SolaceSoul and Latbear4blk 1 1 Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 14, 2020 Author Members Posted June 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, RockHardNYC said: +1 A bad diet is not good for the brain, body, and soul. It can seriously fuck things up. Well, THAT is a good argument. RockHardNYC 1 Quote
Members Buddy2 Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Latbear4blk said: Well, THAT is a good argument. Yes and no. Ice cream may be worse. Lucky 1 Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 14, 2020 Author Members Posted June 14, 2020 Nooooooo! A life without fried chicken and ice cream cannot be lived, only survived. Lucky, Buddy2 and AdamSmith 2 1 Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Latbear4blk said: Well, THAT is a good argument. I'm usually up for a good argument. Quote
Members EZEtoGRU Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 14 hours ago, caeron said: Chick-fil-a has a long history of giving to anti-lgbt+ organizations including some who have tried make being gay a capital crime in Africa. I would google them, and read a bit. They claim to have changed, but they've made that claim before. I have never had their product, and I am unlikely to taste it. Personally, I will patronize any establishment even devout christian ones, but once they make their jerkishness so obvious I can't ignore it, I don't ignore it. Chik-Fil-A has supported anti-gay marriage AND pro-gay conversion therapy causes as recently as 2018. As you say, they claim to have changed...but for me anyone that was supporting those type of positions still in 2018 is hateful and unaccepting of the gay community. Normally those sorts of extreme positions are driven by religious beliefs such as "Gay marriage and being gay goes against the word of the bible". It's all crap. They don't deserve my business. Frankly, they don't deserve any business from anyone that is gay or even gay friendly. Many of us do not patronize them for that reason. MsAnn and SexyAsianStud 1 1 Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 14, 2020 Author Members Posted June 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, EZEtoGRU said: Chik-Fil-A has supported anti-gay marriage AND pro-gay conversion therapy causes as recently as 2018. As you say, they claim to have changed...but for me anyone that was supporting those type of positions still in 2018 is hateful and unaccepting of the gay community. Normally those sorts of extreme positions are driven by religious beliefs such as "Gay marriage and being gay goes against the word of the bible". It's all crap. They don't deserve my business. Frankly, they don't deserve any business from anyone that is gay or even gay friendly. Many of us do not patronize them for that reason. The company institutionally supported those anti LGBT causes or the family owning the company did? Quote
Members JKane Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Latbear4blk said: The company institutionally supported those anti LGBT causes or the family owning the company did? Personally, I don't care. If they still profit from the success of the company, or in the case of Papa John's, the company is still named for them despite other distancing, no thank you. Plenty of other choices out there that don't taste like hate. SexyAsianStud and MsAnn 2 Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said: The company institutionally supported those anti LGBT causes or the family owning the company did? How do you define complicit? Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 14, 2020 Author Members Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RockHardNYC said: How do you define complicit? I am not sure. Do you know where the money you spend goes to? Who ends benefiting from your food, and drinks, and your car, and the clothing your wear, etc? If the product satisfies the consumer, it is a worthy service. I have never supported boycotts for any cause. Now, if you think the product is not good, that is a valid argument as I said before. By "argument" I meant reason. Edited June 14, 2020 by Latbear4blk Quote
Members EZEtoGRU Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said: The company institutionally supported those anti LGBT causes or the family owning the company did? Does it really matter? The company (the family?) pushes their religious views on the public via the days they choose to operate (No Chik-Fil-A on Sundays or some holidays) and the causes they choose to donate to. I don't want to spend a dime at a company that is driven by extreme religious beliefs which include hating on the gays. It's a free country and you can do what you like but you really should have your gay card revoked. I have zero respect for any gay person that spends money at Chik-Fil-A knowing full well that they have demonstrated time and time again that they do not accept homosexuality. It seems that "Pray away the gay" is their secret company motto. It's very clear that "Black Lives Matter" to you but gay lives do not. Sad. Get educated. SexyAsianStud 1 Quote
Members Lucky Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 They say they are going to stop donating to charities with anti-gay policies. Or will they just get better at hiding it? Up to you to eat there now or wait and see. https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/5/29/18644354/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-donations-homophobia-dan-cathy Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 14, 2020 Author Members Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, EZEtoGRU said: Does it really matter? The company (the family?) pushes their religious views on the public via the days they choose to operate (No Chik-Fil-A on Sundays or some holidays) and the causes they choose to donate to. I don't want to spend a dime at a company that is driven by extreme religious beliefs which include hating on the gays. It's a free country and you can do what you like but you really should have your gay card revoked. I have zero respect for any gay person that spends money at Chik-Fil-A knowing full well that they have demonstrated time and time again that they do not accept homosexuality. It seems that "Pray away the gay" is their secret company motto. It's very clear that "Black Lives Matter" to you but gay lives do not. Sad. Get educated. Sure. I guess you epitomize the highest point on gay awareness. If that is your Gay Club, I am glad to cancel my membership. And by the way, your analogy with BLM is irrelevant. I am not calling for a boycott to Daddy, not measuring people's commitment to fight against racism by their participation or not there. Furthermore, I have encouraged everyone who contacted me in public and in private to stay participating over there. But what is the point to try to explain the complexities of a personal ethical/political decision to someone who measures you according to whether or not you eat a chicken sandwich. Edited June 14, 2020 by Latbear4blk Buddy2 1 Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Latbear4blk said: I am not sure. As you get older and learn how the Capitalist machine works, you become more aware (if you want to). 1 hour ago, Latbear4blk said: Do you know where the money you spend goes to? I pay very close attention, for sure. My money, my responsibility. I've learned from very successful friends in finance: Follow the money. As a consumer who cares, it is my preference to know. Money is power and freedom. I think it's important to know with whom you are supporting. Buddy2, SexyAsianStud and SolaceSoul 2 1 Quote
Members SexyAsianStud Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 1 minute ago, RockHardNYC said: As you get older and learn how the Capitalist machine works, you become more aware (if you want to). I pay very close attention, for sure. My money, my responsibility. I've learned from very successful friends in finance: Follow the money. As a consumer who cares, it is my preference to know. Money is power and freedom. I think it's important to know with whom you are supporting. it's not just a matter of age.... making intentional wise choices is the right and privilege of everyone vote with your feet, vote with your wallet Latbear4blk, MsAnn, EZEtoGRU and 1 other 4 Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 14, 2020 Author Members Posted June 14, 2020 Sorry, I have never supported boycotts. It is controversial whether or not they are effective, but the main reason why I do not support them is because they are misguiding. You can continue being a racist, discriminating people of color and even oppressing them in your daily life, but your adherence to a boycott suddenly cleans your sins. They get a free pass to any asshole to point his finger and feel well about himself by doing nothing. To stay on the Chick-Fil-A topic, you can be a hateful gay person, discriminating against other gays, and thinking that fighting for gay marriage is not self-depreciating, but you eliminate fried chicken from your diet and you are a model to follow. (I am giving examples, not assigning these positions to anyone in particular) As I said, whether or not you participate in a place and/or consume a product is a personal decision, each one of us has to make that decision according to his own conscience, without projecting your circumstances to everyone else. Otherwise, it sounds to me like pure guilt self cleaning. If you want to judge someone for one decision or even I would say for one political stand, feel free to do so. But I cannot help laughing at your "wisdom". Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 14, 2020 Author Members Posted June 14, 2020 Go to watch the online version of Sao Paulo Gay Pride Parade! Is right now live in you tube! Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said: I have never supported boycotts. It is controversial whether or not they are effective They're effective on my wallet. 1 hour ago, Latbear4blk said: I am not calling for a boycott to Daddy If I were a blogger seeking an audience, I would for sure avoid getting into a tussle with a board owner who shares my audience, or helps feed me his audience. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. But, then again, if I were a teacher, the last dream I would have is blogging about my sexploits with escorts. Humans aren't perfect. And we don't live in a perfect system. All we can do is make decisions we hope are right for us. But when we become righteous, watch out. Everything you write can come back to haunt you. Edited June 14, 2020 by RockHardNYC Latbear4blk and SolaceSoul 2 Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted June 14, 2020 Members Posted June 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, SexyAsianStud said: it's not just a matter of age.... making intentional wise choices is the right and privilege of everyone You seem very wise for your age. I confess to starting out a dumb blond, and I had no problem skating by on good looks and a decent cock. I had to learn life the hard way. But you are correct, "it's not just a matter of age," and I tip my hat to all the young folk who are out protesting, risking their lives for us all. AdamSmith, SexyAsianStud and Latbear4blk 1 2 Quote
AdamSmith Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 3 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: You seem very wise for your age. I confess to starting out a dumb blond, and I had no problem skating by on good looks and a decent cock. I had to learn life the hard way. But you are correct, "it's not just a matter of age," and I tip my hat to all the young folk who are out protesting, risking their lives for us all. And for rejecting confirmation bias and blind reinforcement thinking. Latbear4blk 1 Quote
Members SexyAsianStud Posted June 15, 2020 Members Posted June 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Latbear4blk said: Sorry, I have never supported boycotts. It is controversial whether or not they are effective, but the main reason why I do not support them is because they are misguiding. You can continue being a racist, discriminating people of color and even oppressing them in your daily life, but your adherence to a boycott suddenly cleans your sins. They get a free pass to any asshole to point his finger and feel well about himself by doing nothing. To stay on the Chick-Fil-A topic, you can be a hateful gay person, discriminating against other gays, and thinking that fighting for gay marriage is not self-depreciating, but you eliminate fried chicken from your diet and you are a model to follow. (I am giving examples, not assigning these positions to anyone in particular) As I said, whether or not you participate in a place and/or consume a product is a personal decision, each one of us has to make that decision according to his own conscience, without projecting your circumstances to everyone else. Otherwise, it sounds to me like pure guilt self cleaning. If you want to judge someone for one decision or even I would say for one political stand, feel free to do so. But I cannot help laughing at your "wisdom". I support and participate in well planned large scale boycotts because, as in the case of South Africa, they work. SolaceSoul, MsAnn and Latbear4blk 3 Quote
AdamSmith Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 1 hour ago, SexyAsianStud said: I support and participate in well planned large scale boycotts because, as in the case of South Africa, they work. 1 hour ago, SexyAsianStud said: I support and participate in well planned large scale boycotts because, as in the case of South Africa, they work. @Latbear4blk, participating in a boycott is a big personal nuisance and disruption to everyday life. If you do it, you evidently believe in the cause. Whether anything comes of it is obviously unknown until after. Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 15, 2020 Author Members Posted June 15, 2020 6 hours ago, AdamSmith said: @Latbear4blk, participating in a boycott is a big personal nuisance and disruption to everyday life. If you do it, you evidently believe in the cause. Whether anything comes of it is obviously unknown until after. When you brag and bully others into them, it sounds to me more like compensation. You know, like the guy with a small dick who owns weapons or a big car. If you participate in one, great. What is stupid is assigning them litmus test value. Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 15, 2020 Author Members Posted June 15, 2020 8 hours ago, SexyAsianStud said: I support and participate in well planned large scale boycotts because, as in the case of South Africa, they work. Well, that was an historic and exceptional boycott. I thought you were younger, if I remember well, the antiapartheid boycott was lifted at the beginning of the 90s. Quote
AdamSmith Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said: When you brag and bully others into them, it sounds to me more like compensation. You know, like the guy with a small dick who owns weapons or a big car. If you participate in one, great. What is stupid is assigning them litmus test value. I meant the opposite of what you interpreted. Sorry to have said it so confusidly. Latbear4blk 1 Quote